faith0tvs
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Post by faith0tvs on Mar 2, 2008 9:13:48 GMT -5
Different how?Nicholas Brendon has a characteristic oval thing in his jaw , the only way for this to change is for him to undergo a surgery or a magical attack, besides i dont think that Xander would beat Buffy that bad, he would make her see things his way by talking to her ,it would be way out of character for him .
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Post by buffysmglover on Mar 2, 2008 10:08:55 GMT -5
We are talking IF it was Xander it'd be future Xander and we have NO clue what an EVIL FUTURE Xander would be like. I'm just saying...
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Post by Giant Michael on Mar 2, 2008 10:15:38 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be interesting if Twilight was a descendant of Buffy? Meaning she had kids. That's not gonna be the twist, but I just thought that would be interesting...Buffy being a mom. Interesting. Whether this transpires or not, the last time we saw Fray - in Tales of the Slayers - she'd just discovered a library filled with what I presume were Watchers' diaries. She learns about the Slayers who have come before her, and we get an image of all the Slayers from the comic itself, as well as Buffy (although, interestingly, not Faith)... Depending on at which point in Fray's timeline she and Buffy meet, I wonder whether she'll let Buffy know how the rest of her life pans out? MB x
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matthewblake
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Post by matthewblake on Mar 2, 2008 11:20:32 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be interesting if Twilight was a descendant of Buffy? Meaning she had kids. That's not gonna be the twist, but I just thought that would be interesting...Buffy being a mom. I love that thought! Lots of good ideas from everyone. I can't wait to see if any guesses were correct!
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Post by cheungcheung on Mar 2, 2008 13:52:15 GMT -5
buffy's grownup son from thr future?
ugh. i hope not..
we've already kinda sorta had that happen w/ connor....
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barryshaft
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Post by barryshaft on Mar 2, 2008 13:59:41 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I was thinking, it was similar to Connor's story. I don't really see Buffy having kids, she seems more like a superpowered cat lady, destined to mope alone.
But I do dig the idea that Twilight could be anyone from anytime, all my complaints about Twilight being Xander or Giles are out in the window if they make up something particularly heartbreaking for their motive. Though, I still don't really think it's either of them. I kind of don't see Future Xander having a jaw-replacement and Giles would die before he hurt Buffy.
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Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Mar 2, 2008 16:03:44 GMT -5
Different how?Nicholas Brendon has a characteristic oval thing in his jaw , the only way for this to change is for him to undergo a surgery or a magical attack, besides i don't think that Xander would beat Buffy that bad, he would make her see things his way by talking to her ,it would be way out of character for him . We have no idea at all what Future Xander could turn out like. If Twilight is Xander from the future then why wouldn't he kick Buffy's butt... we don't know what could have happened. We can not say he or Giles wouldn't do that to Buffy if what they though it needed to be done. Giles himself has proven that he will do what is needed to save the world etc like let Dawn die, kill Ben.... not the mention trying to set up Spike. I think its pretty small minded to not think that it could be Xander kicking Buffy's butt because we have no idea what happens in the future. Friendships change.. I wouldn't like it being Buffy's son' i mean it would just remind me of Charmeds Chris cross over with Angles Connor. Wouldn't work.
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 2, 2008 16:54:02 GMT -5
Different how?Nicholas Brendon has a characteristic oval thing in his jaw , the only way for this to change is for him to undergo a surgery or a magical attack, besides i don't think that Xander would beat Buffy that bad, he would make her see things his way by talking to her ,it would be way out of character for him . We have no idea at all what Future Xander could turn out like. If Twilight is Xander from the future then why wouldn't he kick Buffy's butt... we don't know what could have happened. We can not say he or Giles wouldn't do that to Buffy if what they though it needed to be done. Giles himself has proven that he will do what is needed to save the world etc like let Dawn die, kill Ben.... not the mention trying to set up Spike. I think its pretty small minded to not think that it could be Xander kicking Buffy's butt because we have no idea what happens in the future. Friendships change.. I wouldn't like it being Buffy's son' i mean it would just remind me of Charmeds Chris cross over with Angles Connor. Wouldn't work. not to get off topic but this story almost reminds me of a spiderman arc from a few years back, Sins Past, where norman osbourne fathered children with gwen stacy and raised them to think Peter Parker was their father and responsible for their mothers death.They came looking to kill him because he was never around and they wanted revenge. Maybe someones setting up Buffy like this. Or maybe Xander has a child and Xander dies in the future and the kid blames buffy so he comes back through time to have his revenge. this wouldnt explain why he wanted to end magick but Dude- the possibilities are endless also about this though, Xander's power is that he has no magick power. when he saved the world in grave it wasnt because he was fighting, he was using his words. he is the heart of buffy and the scoobies so for him to get flying abilities and magick powers would go against everything xander.He's the zeppo, the normal one, and although it would be easy for that to be the reason for his resentment, i doubt Joss would do that.
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Post by buffysmglover on Mar 2, 2008 18:04:48 GMT -5
We have no idea at all what Future Xander could turn out like. If Twilight is Xander from the future then why wouldn't he kick Buffy's butt... we don't know what could have happened. We can not say he or Giles wouldn't do that to Buffy if what they though it needed to be done. Giles himself has proven that he will do what is needed to save the world etc like let Dawn die, kill Ben.... not the mention trying to set up Spike. I think its pretty small minded to not think that it could be Xander kicking Buffy's butt because we have no idea what happens in the future. Friendships change.. I wouldn't like it being Buffy's son' i mean it would just remind me of Charmeds Chris cross over with Angles Connor. Wouldn't work. not to get off topic but this story almost reminds me of a spiderman arc from a few years back, Sins Past, where norman osbourne fathered children with gwen stacy and raised them to think Peter Parker was their father and responsible for their mothers death.They came looking to kill him because he was never around and they wanted revenge. Maybe someones setting up Buffy like this. Or maybe Xander has a child and Xander dies in the future and the kid blames buffy so he comes back through time to have his revenge. this wouldnt explain why he wanted to end magick but Dude- the possibilities are endless also about this though, Xander's power is that he has no magick power. when he saved the world in grave it wasnt because he was fighting, he was using his words. he is the heart of buffy and the scoobies so for him to get flying abilities and magick powers would go against everything xander.He's the zeppo, the normal one, and although it would be easy for that to be the reason for his resentment, i doubt Joss would do that. All of that power may go against Xander, but we again have no clue what could happen that might completely change Xander.
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Lukee
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Post by Lukee on Mar 2, 2008 18:47:09 GMT -5
also about this though, Xander's power is that he has no magic power. when he saved the world in grave it wasn't because he was fighting, he was using his words. he is the heart of Buffy and the scoobies so for him to get flying abilities and magic powers would go against everything xander.He's the zeppo, the normal one, and although it would be easy for that to be the reason for his resentment, i doubt Joss would do that. I'm not even sure that the powers where seeing are Twilights. If he hates magic so much then why dose he have them his self... kinda contradicting his self. But if it was Xander future Xander then i think he would need some help taking out magic i don't think it would really go against everything Joss has said about Xander because unless we know why he wants to end magic [still talking if it was Xander ] anything goes.
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barryshaft
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Post by barryshaft on Mar 2, 2008 23:18:29 GMT -5
I know everyone keeps throwing out the "Oh, it's Xander" (or Future Xander) because "Wow what a twist" but would I be the only one that would feel completely alienated by this? Xander isn't my favourite character, but he's up there and is I'd say the one character in the verse that is sacred. His heart, courage and determination to the cause (and more importantly, to Buffy, Willow and Dawn) are all he has and his "normal guy" character is essential to the series. If Whedon turns him bad for a simple shock ending...I'm out.
There have been turns in these stories over the years that have been heartbreaking and completely unpredicatable... But I've yet to be completely unconvinced by the writing of the characters. Maybe I didn't like what was happening but it was always very in line with who the characters were. Whedon has always stayed true to his characters, flaws yes, but true none the less. If Whedon decided to pull a twist like this (That goes for Twilight being Giles as well) simply to shock and awe as opposed to actually furthering this story...I don't know what would really be able to pull me back in. Is there anyone else who feels this way? I myself almost don't want Twilight's reveal to be some huge, thundering shock ending. I would much prefer if Twilight was simply an original villain...but sadly that's clearly not going to be the case.
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Post by buffysmglover on Mar 2, 2008 23:39:10 GMT -5
I know everyone keeps throwing out the "Oh, it's Xander" (or Future Xander) because "Wow what a twist" but would I be the only one that would feel completely alienated by this? Xander isn't my favourite character, but he's up there and is I'd say the one character in the verse that is sacred. His heart, courage and determination to the cause (and more importantly, to Buffy, Willow and Dawn) are all he has and his "normal guy" character is essential to the series. If Whedon turns him bad for a simple shock ending...I'm out. There have been turns in these stories over the years that have been heartbreaking and completely unpredicatable... But I've yet to be completely unconvinced by the writing of the characters. Maybe I didn't like what was happening but it was always very in line with who the characters were. Whedon has always stayed true to his characters, flaws yes, but true none the less. If Whedon decided to pull a twist like this (That goes for Twilight being Giles as well) simply to shock and awe as opposed to actually furthering this story...I don't know what would really be able to pull me back in. Is there anyone else who feels this way? I myself almost don't want Twilight's reveal to be some huge, thundering shock ending. I would much prefer if Twilight was simply an original villain...but sadly that's clearly not going to be the case. I'm kinda torn. It'd be so interesting, but I don't want that for Xander.
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 3, 2008 0:48:08 GMT -5
I know everyone keeps throwing out the "Oh, it's Xander" (or Future Xander) because "Wow what a twist" but would I be the only one that would feel completely alienated by this? Xander isn't my favourite character, but he's up there and is I'd say the one character in the verse that is sacred. His heart, courage and determination to the cause (and more importantly, to Buffy, Willow and Dawn) are all he has and his "normal guy" character is essential to the series. If Whedon turns him bad for a simple shock ending...I'm out. There have been turns in these stories over the years that have been heartbreaking and completely unpredicatable... But I've yet to be completely unconvinced by the writing of the characters. Maybe I didn't like what was happening but it was always very in line with who the characters were. Whedon has always stayed true to his characters, flaws yes, but true none the less. If Whedon decided to pull a twist like this (That goes for Twilight being Giles as well) simply to shock and awe as opposed to actually furthering this story...I don't know what would really be able to pull me back in. Is there anyone else who feels this way? I myself almost don't want Twilight's reveal to be some huge, thundering shock ending. I would much prefer if Twilight was simply an original villain...but sadly that's clearly not going to be the case. 100%
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Post by vampiresaiyan on Mar 3, 2008 11:54:13 GMT -5
Twilight is Andrew....okay so prob not but that would be funny. Andrew has studied into monsters and magics and I think it would just kinda be classic if it tured out to be him. I just don't see it being Xander, but hey anything goes I guess. I could also see Twilight being Fray's Brother. I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but he knows alot about the slayers and he is smart so I could see him using magic. It would also explain how he knew so much. So yeah that would be a good idea...so yeah going with that lol
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mandikaye
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Post by mandikaye on Mar 3, 2008 11:57:11 GMT -5
I'm not convinced it's Xander or Giles. I personally lean towards the Riley theory.
I don't think Joss would ever be untrue to his characters. If it does turn out to be Xander or Giles, I'm certain it will be written in a way that would be true to the character (how that would work, I have no idea).
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Post by Slayer489 on Mar 3, 2008 12:56:25 GMT -5
We've had so many theories on this board, but knowing Joss it probably won't be any of them.
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Post by richieshag89 on Mar 3, 2008 13:23:43 GMT -5
i really want somebody new we havent had a new character as a big bad since glory, who was my favorite, but season 6 was the trio, who we knew from previous seasons, then willow, then the first who was in the third season. i mean, buffy has pissed more people off than weve seen, so im really hoping its someone new
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mandikaye
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Post by mandikaye on Mar 3, 2008 14:34:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure how logical it is to think that it's someone new, considering how much he knows about her. I'm not sure if I want it to be someone new or not. I think it'll be anti-climatic if it is.
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Post by Rebecca on Mar 3, 2008 14:46:34 GMT -5
I think it is someone new and very powerful. The power explains how he could know so much about her. It does seem that many new villains who are introduced are at least knowledgeable of who the slayer is, and still others border on obsession with her (Dracula, the First, Adam, Angelus, Spike, even Glory to some respect). It would not surprise me if Twilight were an entirely new character, and the betrayer/informant is someone "close to her". My money's on Renee for the informant. Xander diggs her, she's gotta be evil in some way
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mandikaye
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Post by mandikaye on Mar 3, 2008 18:09:40 GMT -5
But would Renee really be considered close to her? I don't think so. Unless we're going back to the definition of "close" in WSWB (physical proximity).
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