faith0tvs
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Post by faith0tvs on Jul 9, 2008 17:44:22 GMT -5
I think that the Dark Willow cover has something to do with a potential Willow and Saga Vasuki meeting and that Dru is the mysterious foe, itmakes more sense if you look deep into it.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Jul 9, 2008 18:14:29 GMT -5
Why Willow...why!
I am certain that the scene of beaten and bruised Buffy in that weird room in Anywhere But Here, is gonna be in Issue 19. That would make Buffy cry for sure!
Which is a perfect lead into Issue 20...where Buffy wants to stay in high school!! OMG!
High resolution covers now available in the first post of the thread!
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El Diablo Robotico
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jul 9, 2008 18:23:44 GMT -5
So... Willow becomes immortal, lives for hundreds of years, turns evil somewhere along the way, teams up with Harth, and makes it her mission to destroy Buffy and Mel, and... huh? Where does that make any sense? Where's any hint of the immortality, or her reason to want such vengeance against her best friend? Remember in "Get It Done", her hair turned briefly black when she sucked the energy from Kennedy and Anya in order to open the portal and get Buffy back from the past (her hair also turned dark for a panel or two in her fight against Amy early in the season). I think it's much more likely that Willow simply has to tap into the dark side of the Force again in order to get Buffy back from the future, and that that will send her a little further down the dark path and closer to joining Emperor Palpatine--err, I mean, Saga Vasuki. Willow might very well turn out to be the betrayal hinted at in #10, but I think if she is, it'll happen in the present-day, be later in the season, and somehow involve Saga Vasuki.
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Smashed
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Post by Smashed on Jul 9, 2008 18:27:54 GMT -5
Agreed, El Diablo.
Or maybe she used some kind of dark force to see where Buffy is in the future. I don't know, I just don't see much sense in having Willow betray Buffy in the future. If Buffy knows Willow is going to be evil, shouldn't she kill her when she gets back from wherever with Fray?
Aha, I really hope this is Drusilla.
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Post by themaleslayer on Jul 9, 2008 18:42:06 GMT -5
New betrayer theory: do you think it's possible, after seeing this cover, that Willow is the betrayer?
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Post by alycat7 on Jul 9, 2008 18:50:52 GMT -5
I definetly think that Dark Willow betrays Buffy in some way.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Jul 9, 2008 18:53:16 GMT -5
I hope what El Diablo mentioned is more likely. Other people would probably disagree with me, but I REALLY don't want to have Dark Willow back as a villian. It worked pretty well for a three episode arc, it had a big purpose, Tara's death. I don't see much a purpose here in Season 8.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 9, 2008 19:05:55 GMT -5
jo's cover is sooo kickarse. i also wish that karl was doing the varient covers... jeanty can't draw fray. Jeanty drew a rather good Melaka in the #18 variant.
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Post by jellymoff on Jul 9, 2008 19:06:33 GMT -5
Hmmm. I don't know what to say about this just yet. I kinda hope Dark Willow is not back. That would be a huge betrayal though. But I'm going to put my money on Dru.
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Post by eriktheslayerboy on Jul 9, 2008 19:22:50 GMT -5
I agree with El diablo I dont think Willow is the big evil. I mean I think we all just want a big surprise but to tell you the truth I be fine if it was Dru I wouldnt mind at all. I dont think Willow is going to go into for more then a issue maybe two.
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Post by rogue11 on Jul 9, 2008 19:53:28 GMT -5
Wow Jo Chen is a freakin maverick!!!! His cover is so cool, the hint of green kinda threw me off but then u see the dark hair and the veins, and u think "yeah dark willow is back!" it does make more sense that willow is in the future rather than dru cuz willow has the power to do that.. Anyhoo....just wanted to say that Jo really captures the likeness of the actors and shows us how they would look in new scenarios, he's got a talent fo sure!
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Post by Smashed on Jul 9, 2008 19:57:34 GMT -5
Wow Jo Chen is a freakin maverick!!!! His cover is so cool, the hint of green kinda threw me off but then u see the dark hair and the veins, and u think "yeah dark willow is back!" it does make more sense that willow is in the future rather than dru cuz willow has the power to do that.. Anyhoo....just wanted to say that Jo really captures the likeness of the actors and shows us how they would look in new scenarios, he's got a talent fo sure! Jo is a she. : ) and Yes,she is quite the artist.
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Post by Lukee on Jul 9, 2008 20:15:07 GMT -5
I just love love love Jos work in this cover although im worried that when the Buffy logo goes on it will kill joy the cover a little.
I gotta say i reaaaly don't like Jentys work on this arc. Its all a little plain and well boring. If Karl had done the covers i think there would be better positions, details etc and i cant stand his version of Fray. I'm not knocking his past work its just this arc he has gone down hill for me.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jul 9, 2008 21:46:52 GMT -5
Nice to see that at least some people agree with me on this. Between several of the posts in this thread, and then some of the convo in the c-box a couple of hours ago, it seems like a lot of people are just taking this new cover as proof that Harth's playmate on the #17 variant is Dark Willow. As far as they're concerned, it's not a possibility, it's a fact. Seems to me to be the ultimate example of adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 7. Go back and look at this new Jo Chen cover and answer me this: Can you see the setting around Willow, to tell whether she's in the present or future? No. Well, then can you see what she's wearing, to see if it's the same dress as the mystery woman on Jeanty's #17 cover? No, you can't. Then can you at least see if she's fighting Buffy? Again: no. Right now, the idea that Harth's friend is Dark Willow is pure speculation that has no hard evidence to support it, and in fact requires several leaps of logic (too many, IMO) to arrive at it. For one thing, there's this description: "Buffy and Fray take on a powerful foe, who’s lasted hundreds of years just so she can bring down the last two Slayers." That means whoever-she-is, she didn't time-travel into the future from the year 2010--she's lived for hundreds of years. Is there anything in canon to support the idea that humans, even those with extraordinary magical abilities, can extend their own lives indefinitely (while also maintaining their youthful appearances)? While there's nothing that disproves that idea, there's no factual basis to support it, either. For another thing, what reason would (Dark)Willow have for wanting to kill Buffy? Certainly it's possible that something will happen in the future that would cause her to feel that way, but it hasn't happened yet, and there's been no hint of it, so again, it's just total speculation with no factual basis behind it. The possibility that's much simpler, and has more of a solid canonical base behind it, is the one I already mentioned: The time-travel at the end of #16 seems to be identical to that from "Get It Done", where Buffy went to another time and a demon from that time was exchanged for her. Willow had to go very briefly dark to get her back the first time, so it stands to reason she'll have to do the same to get Buffy back this time, too. Is it possible that the woman Harth has teamed up with is Dark Willow? Sure. But can we please hold off on making any definitive judgments until we have a little more evidence to go by? (Honestly, I was watching the conversation in the chatbox around 7:30, wanting to slam my head against the keyboard over the way Future Dark Willow--"FDW", as she was being called--was being talked about as a stone-cold fact... :moody: )
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Post by Iceeh★ on Jul 9, 2008 22:00:59 GMT -5
Holy cow. Jo's cover is frakkin' AMAZING.
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Post by richieshag89 on Jul 9, 2008 22:53:32 GMT -5
willow wouldnt be caught dead in that outfit on the cover of 17
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Post by KingofCretins on Jul 9, 2008 23:30:09 GMT -5
Willow has dressed like that all season. El Diablo, bet you a dollar
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Jul 10, 2008 0:51:57 GMT -5
I seriously can't get enough of this cover. My favorite so far.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jul 10, 2008 1:23:17 GMT -5
Willow has dressed like that all season. She's worn very plain dresses that look like they're straight out of the 1800s? Wow, I must've missed that. And she certainly didn't dress like that the two previous times we've seen her be evil. No, because see, I'm not completely discounting the idea that it could be Willow with Harth. I don't think it is, but I'm not ruling that out. You, on the other hand, were one of those who I had in mind as those most guilty of jumping to the conclusion that it's definitely her, and then passing it off as fact. There's not enough factual evidence to say that for sure, yet, and isn't that usually your big thing? Relying on what's been shown and proven? (Altho maybe not, because if I remember right, your Riley-as-Twilight theory relies mostly on wild and completely unsubstantiated speculation as to his motivation, so I guess the requirement for hard evidence comes and goes depending on the particular argument. )
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Post by KingofCretins on Jul 10, 2008 2:22:48 GMT -5
I was completely certain it was Drusilla until today, actually. But with the 8.19 reveal of DarkWillow, there's really no reason to overspeculate our way into there being a *second* former enemy lurking in the story. It's as inexplicable as when people were theorizing that Drusilla had turned into a centaur that looked like Dawn.
My suspicious of Riley is based on what I freely admit is speculation as to his motives -- but it's very easy speculaton to make. And motive is the *only* fact that doesn't fit so far.
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