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Post by Nicholas on Feb 24, 2009 13:58:59 GMT -5
Oh yes, I agree that Buffy loves Satsu in the friendly "your a good friend-I care about your life-if I wasnt attracted to you then you could have joined the core Scoobies" way but not in any romantic love way. She's clearly not in love with her.
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Post by BuffyFanOne on Feb 24, 2009 16:49:56 GMT -5
I agree that she loves Satsu but is not in love with her. I think Satsu is over BUffy now too. I hope her pining over BUffy does not drag on any further. Satsu is a great and strong character and I think it would weaken her if she becomes the sort of character that is consumed with gaining the love of someone that does not love her.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 24, 2009 18:23:49 GMT -5
I think there are still more twists and turns to come in the relationship between these two. I don't think Joss would have introduced this storyline if it wasn't going to have a more significant impact on the plot.
I'm hoping Satsu's feelings of rejection don't turn into resentment and drive her to turn against Buffy, but the final panel of "Swell" sure looks like foreshadowing to me.
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Post by Skeptic on Feb 24, 2009 20:14:28 GMT -5
I enjoyed the issue. But I have to know what the heck Kennedy's up to, because I know there's more to that girl's plans than meets the eye. She's got something up her sleeve, I just know it.
And what the heck is up with that weird-ass Vampy Cat stuff? "Eat their ovaries"?! I think I winced at that one.
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Post by ilovewillow on Feb 24, 2009 23:30:15 GMT -5
In response to people saying Satsu threw her relationship with Buffy in the bin, my immediate thought was ''what relationship?''. They slept together once and Buffy tried to nip it in the bud right then and there. Uh... nipped it in the bud by sleeping with her again, you mean? Ooh I completely forgot about that. Still I stand by my opinion that sleeping with someone twice doesn't make a relationship
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Post by Emmie on Feb 24, 2009 23:38:48 GMT -5
Uh... nipped it in the bud by sleeping with her again, you mean? Ooh I completely forgot about that. Still I stand by my opinion that sleeping with someone twice doesn't make a relationship Is sex the only requirement? Did Angel and Cordy never have a romantic relationship? Did Fred and Wes never have one because all we saw was a bunch of unrequited love, then missed chances, a kiss where they're finally on the same page and then Fred's tragic death? I like to think that Fred and Wes had an amazing night together between Smile Time and A Hole in the World, but then I do wonder if Wes was trying to be a gentleman and take it slow. I think there are degrees of intimacy in relationships, emotional and physical. But people dating can be in a committed relationship and not have had sex yet. I think it really boils down to how each party treats each other and how committed they are to each other. If they have that moment where the light dings and they consciously choose that person to be theirs. In the case of Buffy and Satsu, Satsu chose Buffy but Buffy didn't really choose Satsu. Now wholly and completely. It's something Buffy has struggled with for a long time - letting people get close to her. She pushed Satsu away and Satsu accepted that. I wonder if Satsu had been as stubborn as Spike if maybe she could have snuck her way into Buffy's heart.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 25, 2009 0:18:43 GMT -5
In the case of Buffy and Satsu, Satsu chose Buffy but Buffy didn't really choose Satsu. Now wholly and completely. It's something Buffy has struggled with for a long time - letting people get close to her. She pushed Satsu away and Satsu accepted that. I wonder if Satsu had been as stubborn as Spike if maybe she could have snuck her way into Buffy's heart. Exactly right. Thank you.
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Post by Skeptic on Feb 25, 2009 13:14:57 GMT -5
In the case of Buffy and Satsu, Satsu chose Buffy but Buffy didn't really choose Satsu. Now wholly and completely. It's something Buffy has struggled with for a long time - letting people get close to her. She pushed Satsu away and Satsu accepted that. I wonder if Satsu had been as stubborn as Spike if maybe she could have snuck her way into Buffy's heart. Exactly right. Thank you. I kind of figure that, too. Buffy's problem is intimacy, and trusting that she's not going to get the other person hurt, killed, or they end up hurting themselves on purpose to be near her, or she 'makes' them leave her, like, literally move to another county, or in Riley's case, another country. I kind of half think that if Satsu was just willing to let it ride how it was - with her getting to be near/with Buffy, even when Buffy wasn't in love with her - Buffy could probably have let it ride, too. She was actually getting something she needed out of it - peaceful connection and intimacy that she hasn't had for a couple of years. However, I think at some point (probably sooner rather than later) Buffy would have pushed Satsu away, too. She seems incapable right now of having a complete relationship with anyone (when I say relationship, I mean everything). The more responsibility she takes on with the slaying gig, the more she has to be the Slayer, and the less she has time to actually be Buffy. And Buffy's the one that needs the human connection. She needs her friends and family close - we saw that all through the TV show - but she also needs some way to be understood, and that's where the connection to people who are like Angel and Spike and Satsu come in. I think in some way, Buffy's afraid the Slayer is going to be all she is anymore. And we've seen the primal Slayer - and we've seen Buffy be defiant to her and the shamen that hold the Slayer's power, and express her human individuality as her primary power, and the slaying as her profession. But that's been slowly evolving over the life of the show, and become more pronounced since she was resurrected. I think, more than ever now, Buffy's edging toward that disconnect, where Buffy takes a back seat and Slayer comes front and center. And I think that worries her, because it means a life of solitude. So when she reaches for a connection, it's a very human need to still be Buffy, and not be a hunter, or killer, or demon, or monster, that nobody can be around. When she hooked up with Satsu, that's what I saw in it. Satsu restored a part of Buffy because she affirmed that connection with her humanity that Buffy has been denying herself because of her work. JMNSHO.
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Post by faiththevampslayer on Mar 2, 2009 9:33:32 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]To be honest, I havent read alot! I only read TLWHpart4,TC,BS,and the four WATG parts! but otherwise there good and this weekend I'll be getting TLWH parts 1-3 issues 6-10 and then I'll be caught up! and then I'll get numbers 15 and on! but otherwise its good...and I WAS wondering wut happened to Kennedy! and now I'm glad shes back in SWELL! I'll keep reading, and Joss Whedon is GREAT! :OP! [/glow] :buffyslay:
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Post by faiththevampslayer on Mar 2, 2009 9:34:42 GMT -5
BUFFY RULES! and so does Faith
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Post by Rebecca on Mar 20, 2009 17:16:43 GMT -5
Exactly right. Thank you. I kind of figure that, too. Buffy's problem is intimacy, and trusting that she's not going to get the other person hurt, killed, or they end up hurting themselves on purpose to be near her, or she 'makes' them leave her, like, literally move to another county, or in Riley's case, another country. I kind of half think that if Satsu was just willing to let it ride how it was - with her getting to be near/with Buffy, even when Buffy wasn't in love with her - Buffy could probably have let it ride, too. She was actually getting something she needed out of it - peaceful connection and intimacy that she hasn't had for a couple of years. However, I think at some point (probably sooner rather than later) Buffy would have pushed Satsu away, too. She seems incapable right now of having a complete relationship with anyone (when I say relationship, I mean everything). The more responsibility she takes on with the slaying gig, the more she has to be the Slayer, and the less she has time to actually be Buffy. And Buffy's the one that needs the human connection. She needs her friends and family close - we saw that all through the TV show - but she also needs some way to be understood, and that's where the connection to people who are like Angel and Spike and Satsu come in. I think in some way, Buffy's afraid the Slayer is going to be all she is anymore. And we've seen the primal Slayer - and we've seen Buffy be defiant to her and the shamen that hold the Slayer's power, and express her human individuality as her primary power, and the slaying as her profession. But that's been slowly evolving over the life of the show, and become more pronounced since she was resurrected. I think, more than ever now, Buffy's edging toward that disconnect, where Buffy takes a back seat and Slayer comes front and center. And I think that worries her, because it means a life of solitude. So when she reaches for a connection, it's a very human need to still be Buffy, and not be a hunter, or killer, or demon, or monster, that nobody can be around. When she hooked up with Satsu, that's what I saw in it. Satsu restored a part of Buffy because she affirmed that connection with her humanity that Buffy has been denying herself because of her work. JMNSHO. *karma* I love this. I actually didn't think of her relationship with Satsu in this way, thank you. Gonna go re-read the season with this in mind
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Post by Saturn 5 on Mar 23, 2009 3:44:15 GMT -5
Thanks to Boo for use of his/her format
Buffy 22
The Good; Some lovely interplay between Satsu and Kennedy, a well written tale and some nice plot twists. Boy, Tokyo never seems to run out of rampaging monsters, does it?
The Bad; The swell seem pretty stupid as an enemy. Also Satsu and Kennedy seem to escape the blast of the torpedoes way too easily.
Best line; Wheldon Cliches;
Character death; Shot; None but Kennedy uses some form of ray gun. It seems not all Slayers share Buffy's dislike of firearms.
Tied up;
Knocked out; Women good/men bad; The Swell seem incredibly misogynistic, constantly referring to the Slayer's ovaries (is that some form of Japanese insult?) and wanting to transform them into breeding machines to judge by the possessed Satsu's comments. Their method of taking over humans is reminiscent of the Schlucks in The Price or the facehuggers from Aliens. Kinky dinky; Satsu refers to Buffy wanting to 'review my ass'? Looks pretty good to me Calling Captain Subtext; Virtually the whole thing, it seems that this edition is designed solely to let Satsu get over her fling with Buffy, Kennedy lays it on with the whole Buffy-is-straight line with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Satsu refers to Kennedy as 'the other lesbian slayer'. Surely out of all the thousands of young girls they have there must be a huge number of lesbian and bi slayers? Is Kennedy chatting Satsu up when she refers to 'a lot of other flavours, it's time to try a new one'. Satsu's parents were 'destroyed by her gayness' Guantanamo Bay; It must really hack Buffy and co off that they're the good guys but everyone treats them like the villains
Questions and observations; Aww, poor Satsu, this seems to be the kiss-off for her, I hope we see her again, she seems a good Slayer and good commander. Makes perfect sense to leave Harmony alone at least for the time-being. Love to see the details of the 'Korean incident'? To judge by the modern appearance of the sub it must be the South Korean navy rather than the North. Surely they'll want it back? With helicopters and transport planes and now submarines the Slayer army really does start to resemble Action Force or something. Satsu's line as she hit's Kennedy resembles Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes.
3/5, a couple of fairly minor characters get their chance to shine and make the most of it
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Mar 23, 2009 9:17:16 GMT -5
Aww, poor Satsu, this seems to be the kiss-off for her, I hope we see her again, she seems a good Slayer and good commander. She is, and she's my favorite new character of season 8. (Which means she's inevitably doomed.) Scott Allie says she'll still be playing a part in the rest of the season, so we haven't seen the last of her. He also says the Buffy/Satsu relationship isn't as resolved as it seems to be. Hopefully Joss had some reason for putting this storyline in besides "lesbians are hot." Makes perfect sense to leave Harmony alone at least for the time-being. Love to see the details of the 'Korean incident'? To judge by the modern appearance of the sub it must be the South Korean navy rather than the North. Surely they'll want it back? The main points are that a) now everyone knows the Slayers have a sub that belongs to a sovereign nation, and assume they probably killed the crew to get it, and b) everyone also thinks they used that sub to blow up a freighter that was (as far as the world knows) crewed by innocent living humans. I think Twilight's goal with the Vampy Cats was never to possess the Slayers... he knew that would fail. His goal was to manipulate them into doing things, in the course of defending themselves, that will make them look like terrorists in the eyes of the world. Buffy has been walking right into that trap (and still is, as of issue #23). As a bonus, Twilight got to maneuver another of his supernatural minions (The Swell) into getting itself killed, just as he did with Gigi and Roden.
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Post by Skeptic on Mar 23, 2009 11:04:08 GMT -5
Aww, poor Satsu, this seems to be the kiss-off for her, I hope we see her again, she seems a good Slayer and good commander. She is, and she's my favorite new character of season 8. (Which means she's inevitably doomed.) Scott Allie says she'll still be playing a part in the rest of the season, so we haven't seen the last of her. He also says the Buffy/Satsu relationship isn't as resolved as it seems to be. Hopefully Joss had some reason for putting this storyline in besides "lesbians are hot." This caught my attention because I completely just now realized (yeah, I'm quick on the uptake) that none of Buffy's relationships have been resolved. Hmm, do I see a pattern? Maybe the problem with Buffy's relationships isn't the relationship. Maybe it's Buffy. The Webber guy in "Conversations With Dead People" reached that conclusion way back in S7. I rewatched it the other day and it was very enlightening as a frame of reference for Buffy's mindset leading into S8. I recommend anyone reading the comics to go rewatch this episode, pronto.
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Post by Rebecca on Mar 26, 2009 18:44:42 GMT -5
Oh completely! She's not emotionally available for real relationships. Also see her cookie speech in Chosen.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Apr 2, 2009 9:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by Skeptic on Apr 2, 2009 12:09:13 GMT -5
Who'da thunk that years after the show is over and done with, it's still so popular and people still obviously want more? The only thing that would make this success better are double issues! I want more, literally more!
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Post by Secret Scoobie on May 6, 2009 1:48:28 GMT -5
I enjoyed this issue but have some reservations about Kennedy. I've never liked her but ther character didn't really feel like it was kennedy this time.. I dunno, maybe it was just me, or it was the dialogue... don't know. I though the "swell" was a lighthearted and highly amusing villian but... without being very scary or villainy! Just a bit of fun. I particularly enjoyed the vampycat's lines! Very funny! On the Satsu-Buffy relationship. I believe Buffy loves satsu as a friend, but I am under the beliefs that you cannot CHOOSE to be gay, and while Satsu is I don't think Buffy will be - she would have had some inkling by now. I think that Buffy is weak in her self at the moment and I agree with UnKle that Buffy was worried about just being a 'slayer' and considering the mess that isher previous experience with boys I think she just wanted to have something 'easy' and thought Satsu would be that. She was probably thinking "Maybe Satsu and me will work because me + guys just never seem to turn out". I did like this issue though
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Post by wenxina on Jan 28, 2010 13:13:18 GMT -5
Diamond GEM Awards. ”
Dark Horse Comics’ Buffy the Vampire Slayer hit a double-header for the Oregon-based publisher, with issue #22 awarded Licensed Comic of the Year and the Season 8 TP Volume 4: Time of Your Life winning Licensed TP of the Year.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jan 28, 2010 14:30:01 GMT -5
Aw, Satsu is now an award-winning Slayer. She may have to wear her dressy fishnets to the ceremony. (The ones with no rips.)
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