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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 7, 2009 7:23:38 GMT -5
Well, considering her name was provided by the editor, you can safely add her to your list, and tack on a little note saying that. Already had her on the list... it's just that when we asked about it way back in the #21 Q&A, Scott seemed surprised her name hadn't been mentioned and called it "sloppy." So I thought maybe they'd fix it in the trade.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 7, 2009 8:39:55 GMT -5
I remember that, which leads me to believe that they didn't deem it an important enough change.
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Post by patxshand on Oct 7, 2009 18:04:32 GMT -5
Got the book. Love Jo Chen's cover.
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Post by wenxina on Oct 15, 2009 20:05:37 GMT -5
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Post by NightlySorrow on Oct 15, 2009 20:39:13 GMT -5
Wenxina, impressive if true. Did the first four volumes top the charts? I think the first four volumes were all infinitely better than Predators and Prey. And PaP came out at the end of the month and still managed to be number 1? Good to see regardless of how I feel about that arc.
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Post by Paul on Oct 15, 2009 21:19:44 GMT -5
Her name wasn't that important. It added an extra dimension for interpretive fun, but it wasn't crucial for the story. It was crucial, I tell you! Crucial! I have an online index of characters! (And Asperger Syndrome). I know what you mean. I can't tell you how much it pisses me off that Kennedy and Satsu don't have last names. They're important frickin' characters and Joss can't even be bothered giving them full names! Aaaaargh!
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Post by wenxina on Oct 15, 2009 21:46:53 GMT -5
Technically, Faith was never given a last name. She was given one in Go Ask Malice because the writer wanted one, and Joss came up with "Lehane" because he wanted a very "Southie" name. Or something like that. But she was never given one in the run of the show. Last names are a patriarchal invention anyway...
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 15, 2009 21:48:27 GMT -5
Wenxina, impressive if true. Did the first four volumes top the charts? I think the first four volumes were all infinitely better than Predators and Prey. And PaP came out at the end of the month and still managed to be number 1? Good to see regardless of how I feel about that arc. Diamond calculates based on sales to retailers, not to consumers. (Their books and comics are non-returnable, so any they ship to stores count as sales even if they sit on the shelves forever.) So these numbers are calculated based on the number of copies pre-ordered by stores. Unlike monthly comics (where Diamond has a virtual monopoly), most bookstores and online retailers don't get their trade paperbacks from Diamond, so the sales for them Diamond reports is only a small fraction of the actual total. But P&P is currently Amazon.com's 544th best-selling book, so it's doing pretty well. "Watchmen" is at #727 by comparison. Technically, Faith was never given a last name. She was given one in Go Ask Malice because the writer wanted one, and Joss came up with "Lehane" because he wanted a very "Southie" name. Or something like that. But she was never given one in the run of the show. Last names are a patriarchal invention anyway... Both Faith and Kendra (Young) got their canonical last names in the Buffy roleplaying game, contributed by Joss.
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Post by Paul on Oct 15, 2009 22:42:05 GMT -5
Both Faith and Kendra (Young) got their canonical last names in the Buffy roleplaying game, contributed by Joss. And thank god for that RPG. Kennedy and Satsu I can just about cope with, but Faith not having a last name? Ridiculous. I'm extremely anal about characters having last names for some reason.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 15, 2009 23:16:12 GMT -5
And thank god for that RPG. Kennedy and Satsu I can just about cope with, but Faith not having a last name? Ridiculous. I'm extremely anal about characters having last names for some reason. Well, in my fanfic, Satsu's full name is Satsumi Yamada. If that helps. ;D
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Post by Paul on Oct 16, 2009 1:02:23 GMT -5
And thank god for that RPG. Kennedy and Satsu I can just about cope with, but Faith not having a last name? Ridiculous. I'm extremely anal about characters having last names for some reason. Well, in my fanfic, Satsu's full name is Satsumi Yamada. If that helps. ;D Sorry, fanon names don't count. Non-canon expanded universe names are better than nothing... Principal Snyder is called "Cecil" in one of the novels. Wasn't Faith commonly known as "Faith Spencer" for years before Joss came up with "Lehane"? The fans just made it up and it caught on? I also have no idea where Oliver Pike and Merrick Jamison-Smythe originated. What made you come up with Satsumi Yamada? You should stick it on IMDb or something, people will think it's canon and start using it.
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Post by buffystar on Oct 16, 2009 8:50:16 GMT -5
And thank god for that RPG. Kennedy and Satsu I can just about cope with, but Faith not having a last name? Ridiculous. I'm extremely anal about characters having last names for some reason. Well, in my fanfic, Satsu's full name is Satsumi Yamada. If that helps. ;D Awh. What a nice name for her.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 16, 2009 9:23:53 GMT -5
I always assumed Merrick was his last name, not his first.
Let's see... a list of important characters who never got more than one name:
Angel (Liam), Ben, Caleb, Connor, Darla, Drusilla, Eve, Kennedy, Knox, Leah, Renee, Rowena, Satsu, Snyder, Spike/William ("Pratt" is pretty much universal, but I think that's fanon?), and all of the Potentials (Vi, Rona, Amanda, Molly, etc.)
I'm still not sure if "Kennedy" is her first or last name. I'm assuming first, and her last name is something Spanish.
Of course, there were some who wouldn't have last names... Illyria, Glory, Adam, Jasmine, etc.
I came up with last names and thumbnail backgrounds for the three members of Buffy's team, for fanfic purposes...
Satsumi Yamada: born in Tokyo but moved with her family to Vancouver as a baby, where she grew up;
Leah McPhee: raised on a horse farm in the Highlands, but became a city girl as soon as she possibly could;
Rowena Geissner: born and raised in Dresden, Germany; was an internationally competitive swimmer.
Leah and Rowena have very interesting, intertwining family backgrounds, which I will hopefully get around to writing about someday (although if/when Joss kills one or both of them I might lose the inspiration.)
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 16, 2009 9:42:41 GMT -5
Actually, Angel's full name was Liam O'Connor(his father's name was probably Connor, since I think it was custom for children to have their father's first names as their own last names). It's on his head stone.
And Connor's last name was Angel(or Gueverra, not sure) It's mentioned when Connor is at the hospital for the first time.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 16, 2009 9:59:10 GMT -5
Actually, Angel's full name was Liam O'Connor(his father's name was probably Connor, since I think it was custom for children to have their father's first names as their own last names). It's on his head stone. What episode was that in? (The prefix "O"... and also "Mc" and "Mac"... means "son of," but Irish people by Liam's time didn't literally take their father's first name as their last, like Icelanders do... they are regular family names that go back centuries. My mother is an O'Connor, in fact.) And Connor's last name was Angel(or Gueverra, not sure) It's mentioned when Connor is at the hospital for the first time. That was just a made-up name, though, for the purposes of paperwork. Like Anya's last name of Jenkins.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 16, 2009 10:23:37 GMT -5
I re-checked the episode where I thought I had seen the name, The Prodigal, but the only thing we see on that thombstone is the words "Beloved son" and the year of his birth and death. So my bad. I'm not sure where from I got the idea that his last name was O'Connor. Maybe I just read a real convincing fanfic...
I assumed that the Irish had had a similar tradition of fathers-first-name-turned-into-last-name like several other western countries did. They really never had that?
And about Connor's last name, made up by the characters or not, it's the only canon one we got. Not sure what name his new family has tough. Or if he uses another now.
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Post by Paul on Oct 16, 2009 10:56:30 GMT -5
I Angel (Liam), Ben, Caleb, Connor, Darla, Drusilla, Eve, Kennedy, Knox, Leah, Renee, Rowena, Satsu, Snyder, Spike/William ("Pratt" is pretty much universal, but I think that's fanon?), and all of the Potentials (Vi, Rona, Amanda, Molly, etc.) Ben has the fanon name "Wilkinson". Pratt was given the comic Spike: Old Times by Peter David, so it's official, if not canon I don't mind Angel, Darla, and Dru not having surnames because they're all aliases (I assume Dru is an alias?) and their real names are mysterious, lost in history. It's implied Eve doesn't have a last name, or makes a point of not sharing it. The Potentials bug me, they should have last names. Leah McPhee: raised on a horse farm in the Highlands, but became a city girl as soon as she possibly could; Aw, I have a friend called McPhee. I like. And about Connor's last name, made up by the characters or not, it's the only canon one we got. Not sure what name his new family has tough. Or if he uses another now. His new name is Connor Reilly, though in an upcoming issue of Angel he comments that all his surnames are fake and therefore irrelevant. We can assume he just goes by "Connor" now.
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Post by CourtneyDax on Oct 29, 2009 0:44:37 GMT -5
Wasn't Faith commonly known as "Faith Spencer" for years before Joss came up with "Lehane"? The fans just made it up and it caught on? I also have no idea where Oliver Pike and Merrick Jamison-Smythe originated.I've heard those two names before! (Oliver and Merrick Jamison-Smythe, I mean) I think I've read it in one of the Buffy omnibus's that I own (which means I have seen those names in a non-canon comic. But i might be mistaken because that might be the Origin comic Joss Whedon practically approved of as a canon version of the movie in the Buffyverse). I'll re-read it and give you an update.
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Post by Darth Rosie on Feb 2, 2010 2:38:15 GMT -5
I am re-reading Predators and Prey in order to get some context for my re-reading of Retreat and then the newest issues ... and I am bored. I never thought I'd say that but those stories utterly bore me. Even though I kinda liked Swell to begin with, now it bores me. I'm saddened.
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