Aly Summers
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Post by Aly Summers on Feb 19, 2009 12:38:21 GMT -5
I guess it's a matter of opinion (Duh! ;D). The way I see it, they are either lovers (in the entirely physical sense of the word) or friends, they don't seem to equilibrate those two things together.
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Enisy
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Post by Enisy on Feb 19, 2009 13:34:21 GMT -5
I always use Logan/Veronica from Veronica Mars as an example here. By that logic, the only episodes that "count" for them are -- count 'em -- four episodes from Season 1, and their vastly-OOC relationship in Season 3? They wouldn't be even remotely as popular a couple as they are, if that was the case. (And neither would be Spike/Buffy, since, according to your interpretation, the only episodes that "count", out of a three-plus season long arc, are nine from Season 6.) But thankfully, for a huge chunk of the fandom, 'shippy interaction is not limited to sex and snogging.
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Post by Aly Summers on Feb 19, 2009 14:06:07 GMT -5
Okay, I didn't really understand your comparison, sorry.
I don't feel that way either. But I know a lot of people who prefer Spuffy just because they had a lot of sex; that's one of the arguments they give when asked the question B/A or B/S.
Anyway, the reason for me not liking S/B was that I watched all 7 seasons of BtVS, and never felt anything for the pairing. Only a matter of taste.
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Post by Enisy on Feb 19, 2009 14:15:55 GMT -5
Okay, I didn't really understand your comparison, sorry. Well, Logan and Veronica weren't making out in the other 18 episodes of Season 1, nor in Season 2, so there were obviously no 'shippy vibes at all, just friendship. ;P Wow, okay. That's the first time I see that argument. That's a valid reason, and it's the same way I feel about Angel/Buffy. (Well, not to that extent, 'cause I very much enjoyed episodes like Becoming and I Will Remember You -- but I was more often bored than I was teary during its run.)
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Aly Summers
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Post by Aly Summers on Feb 19, 2009 14:36:53 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not one to compare different couples, with different characters, from different shows; 'cause they're (obviously) not the same. But, no, they weren't just friends, yet they weren't together either.
It's a matter of how you look at things. If you already like something, it's only right that you'll look at it with good eyes. When you look at SB from S7 you see romance, when I look at them, I see friendship. There's nothing etheir of us (or anyone really) can say to change our opinions. ;D
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Post by Enisy on Feb 19, 2009 14:46:26 GMT -5
Lucky for me, Joss looks at it and sees romance, too.
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Aly Summers
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Post by Aly Summers on Feb 19, 2009 15:13:30 GMT -5
Well, if Joss said so, I better change my mind.
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Post by Enisy on Feb 19, 2009 15:37:17 GMT -5
Nup. I was just sayin'.
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Post by Aly Summers on Feb 19, 2009 19:16:11 GMT -5
Alright, alright. Let's just leave it at that, ok?
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Post by bamph on Feb 19, 2009 23:46:44 GMT -5
I voted for Buffy and Angel.That's the couple that I prefer. I always took the comment from Joss about Buffy and Spike being a romance in season 7 as having open interpretation.Yes Joss said their relationship was romantic but he didn't say what type of romance story it was.There are all different types of romances.My own personal take based on how I saw it play out is that it's a unrequited romance since we know how Spike felt from the start for Buffy but it's left up to interpretation about what type of love Buffy felt for Spike. So like Joss,I do see it as a romance but an unrequited one since Spike loved Buffy and Buffy grew to love Spike but it's left up to interpretation on what type of love that was. I see Buffy and Angel as a star crossed romance and Buffy and Spike as a unrequited romance.
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Post by lmblack21 on Feb 20, 2009 0:18:00 GMT -5
I voted for Buffy and Angel.That's the couple that I prefer. I always took the comment from Joss about Buffy and Spike being a romance in season 7 as having open interpretation.Yes Joss said their relationship was romantic but he didn't say what type of romance story it was.There are all different types of romances.My own personal take based on how I saw it play out is that it's a unrequited romance since we know how Spike felt from the start for Buffy but it's left up to interpretation about what type of love Buffy felt for Spike. So like Joss,I do see it as a romance but an unrequited one since Spike loved Buffy and Buffy grew to love Spike but it's left up to interpretation on what type of love that was. I see Buffy and Angel as a star crossed romance and Buffy and Spike as a unrequited romance. Yup, I agree. Joss said the message for B/S in season 7 was about establishing trust without giving the impression that they would get back together - not that they were ever really "together". Buffy/Angel is the one relationship he said transcended everything and the one he wanted to leave with hope of someday maybe finally working out. B/S was about establishing trust and finally truly finding acceptance and love - but it wasn't a romantic love where Buffy was concerned - "Does it have to mean something?" - pretty much summed it up, imo. -Luc
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Post by cheryl on Feb 20, 2009 7:51:23 GMT -5
Buffy and Angel! Best couple ever, imo. I like the way these two bring out the best in each other. Are willing to die for each other. Can't and won't sacrifice the other. Who doesn't cry like a baby during Buffy's perfect moments with Angel in IWRY as the clock ticks away to erase it from her memory?
Buffy and Spike were the polar opposite of Buffy and Angel, which is why I could never get behind that potential relationship. Where one was built on love, trust and compassion, the other was born from self hatred and despair.
I've seen the argument made before that Angelus did far worse things to Buffy than Spike and while that's in the eye of the beholder, it isn't really a true assessment of the two relationships, B/A v's B/S since Buffy never had a physical relationship with Angelus. She had one with Angel. Buffy never had a physical relationship with souled Spike, she had one with the Spike who had no soul.
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Post by Enisy on Feb 20, 2009 9:09:36 GMT -5
Ah, personally, I liked that Angel/Buffy and Spike/Buffy were so different. I was able to enjoy both of them for different reasons, something I had trouble doing with Angel/Cordelia, which tried to play the Star-Crossed Meanttobe Love, like Angel/Buffy, but with much less interesting and iconic results.
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Post by Emmie on Feb 20, 2009 13:03:11 GMT -5
Ah, personally, I liked that Angel/Buffy and Spike/Buffy were so different. I was able to enjoy both of them for different reasons, something I had trouble doing with Angel/Cordelia, which tried to play the Star-Crossed Meanttobe Love, like Angel/Buffy, but with much less interesting and iconic results. *nods* Yeah, you nailed the reasons why I like Buffy/Spike and Buffy/Angel but don't enjoy Angel/Cordy. Angel/Cordy tried too much to be the True Love 4 Ever story but the writers realized they couldn't do that and completely copy Buffy/Angel, so they essentially made it the ultimate tease of a romantic relationship that never was and couldn't really go there to make it real.
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Post by lmblack21 on Feb 20, 2009 13:38:56 GMT -5
Actually, I liked that B/A and B/S were different as well. I could never get behind C/A for a lot of reasons, (lack of romantic/sexual chemistry, the changing of Cordy into a psuedo Buffy, and the forced B/A like undertones to name a few), but my reasons for not liking B/S were not because it was so different from B/A.
I could have liked B/S. But they took it to such a dark, depressing, degrading place that I came to realize I wasn't *supposed* to want them together romantically. It wasn't about that. It was about depression and darkness and Buffy being suicidally depressed. Had they kept the friendship vibe from early in season 6 I could have gotten behind it.
Season 7 B/S had too many parental/child, obligation/responsibility, guilt/co-dependent vibes for me to see it as a romantic relationship. IMO, it wasn't about that for them in season 7. It was about what Joss said it was - reestablishing trust and intimacy without it being a couply type of relationship. Too many things said, shown and done in season 7 show me, personally (though I obviously know that not everyone agrees) that B/S could finally become friends, and that in itself was huge given what had come before.
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Post by Enisy on Feb 20, 2009 14:49:06 GMT -5
I think I agree with what Jane Espenson said in regards to Angel/Buffy and Spike/Buffy, although I realize she might be biased due to her personal preferences, too:
Jane Espenson: You have to write your story, exactly! If we have made both love stories compelling enough that they both have adherence, then we've done our job. Our job isn't to advocate one or the other but to present two reasonable romances with balance. I feel if it's polarizing then - great we did it!
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Post by xcrunner on Feb 20, 2009 16:33:19 GMT -5
I am currently on a re watch of both Buffy and Angel, I just started so I am almost done with the first season. I Think Buffy and Angel are swell as a couple in high school. Firsts loves are great. Than Angel goes away has his own gig going on. That is where the relationship ended for me, except for the crossovers of buffy season 4/Angel1 gave bangel lovers some love. To me Bangel was a first love, that ended at the conclusion of high school. Than The Spike/Buffy "relationship" came along and it was rough, and it just worked for me yes it had its dark, dark periods, but it also had those moments that made me go, yes this is love I'm seeing, a love neither of them wanted or saw coming, but its real and there is no denying it.
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Post by VampSlayer on Feb 23, 2009 1:05:38 GMT -5
Spuffy all the way!!!!!!!
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Post by worldofshrimps on May 23, 2009 16:16:57 GMT -5
Buffy/Spike (although I would have preferred Angel/Spike in all honesty ) I didn't like Angel when he was in BtVS unless he was Angelus cuz Angel moaned too much. Liked him a lot more in Angel. Spike is just amazing! Love him to pieces! So yeah, Spike/Buffy (except for the whole rape bit! I was like WTH are you doing!?)
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Post by Randi Giles on Jul 19, 2009 17:22:21 GMT -5
Yay Buffy/Spike in the lead.
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