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Post by vampmogs on Oct 28, 2008 4:01:45 GMT -5
I really like Buffy/Angel, I think it's the only relationship Buffy's truly been open to, and right up until season seven's 'End of Days' it still brings out the unguarded Buffy, the Buffy I miss.
The ship brought out the best in the show, it did very little negative things to the series, it only enhanced it's enjoyment, and it never took over the entire show, aside from season two where their relationship effected *everybody* so it's very different from it just being above Buffy and her partner. That's what I enjoyed about it, it didn't spill over into everything else or take away from anybody elses story. And the Buffy/Angel/Angelus storyline of season two was the best the series ever did in my opinion, it was truly amazing television (though season 3 overall is my favourite season of the show.)
And what I loved most about the relationship, their break-up scene in 'The Prom.' Angel was a wonderful, caring person for doing what he did in that episode. He knew a romance with a vampire *is not* what Buffy deserved, as did Joyce, Willow, Giles, Buffy and heck, even the Mayor! Angel showed how mature and selfless he was in that episode, and I respect all he did for Buffy's character by ending the relationship.
I also really like how Buffy'Angel compliment Buffy/Xander, my other favoured pairing for Buffy. Angel's the poster boy for Bander, other than Xander himself, Angel's the voice in the show for all those Buffy/Xander fans. I love how Angel realises that Buffy needs to be a human and I love how he explains why he's jealous of Xander in 'Some Assembly Required.'
Generally, as I said at the start of my post, I also love what the relationship brings out in Buffy. Throughout season seven she was a very inward, closed off, generally unhappy person. But the second she sees Angel in 'End of Days' we see that smile on her face, something I sorely missed, a look not seen on her in ages, and I realised pretty much after that moment that I really liked this relationship for that reason alone. Even in season six it brings out passion in her we don't usually see, she's "going through the motions" until she gets that phone call, and there's intensity and a desperation in her voice to see Angel "right now" that brings out life and vibrancy in her again, she suddenly has a purpose.
To touch on quickly the three biggest complaints I hear people make about Buffy/Angel;
"It's disgusting he's 200 and she's only sixteen, and fifteen when he saw her" - Who cares? Angel's never been a product of society and he never will be, he's a vampire, he doesn't care about our rules. We've seen this in 'Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been' when he doesn't give a sh#t about Judy's skin colour whereas everyone else in the 1950's did, we saw that he didn't care about WWII in 'Why We Fight.' Angel's been around so long he stopped caring about other people's age, if he didn't, he'd be constantly thinking about it in regards to anyone whom he met, he got over it.
And he wasn't some "pervy old man" as I've seen many people state. He wasn't "perving" on her, he connected with her because he finally found someone whom he shared something in common with. When Angel saw Buffy crying in her bathroom mirror, he saw his own reflection for the first time. Like Buffy, he to had just been given a destiny he didn't know he had (Whistler) and he sees how very alone she suddenly feels, and connects with that, he's been alone for 90 years. He also tries to keep away from getting friendly with her which is why he has his cryptic message guy act throughout season 1, she's the aggressor in the relationship now the other way around.
'Helpless' also proves that neither Buffy or Angel view their age in the way people complain about it. Buffy makes a joke about going out with "a older man" who likes it when she calls him "daddy." Angel's concerned for her until he realises it is a joke, obviously he doesn't view himself in this way, and given Buffy's humorous nature of the subject, neither does she.
And ya know, really, I have less issues with a age gap where Angel was *not* being pervy than I do with Buffy sleeping with a *unrepentant* murderer, who can't deny he's like a "serial killer in prison" who's the same guy who laughs about "the nasty things" Marcus the vampire does to children, who jokes about the people he's ate and who would gladly kill Buffy's friends. Obviously season seven Spike's a different guy entirley, but really if we're going to be outraged by the person Buffy's sleeping with, I think a soulless Spike takes the cake hmmm?
“There was no build up, they were just in love because the script said they were”- I can see why people would have a problem with this, but again I think it comes down to taste. Buffy/Angel were supposed to be the big epic romance, connected on another level. The word ‘Soul mates’ has been banded about a lot. Their connected on a level only Faith shares with Buffy (given her knowledge of Dawn coming in her dream sequences.) Buffy/Angel literally feel each other, we this in ‘Pangs’ and it’s textually confirmed in ‘I Will Remember You.’ Their on a different level, and hints at the script certainly suggest this, “the one person in the universe you’re meant to be with” being said by Anya, proven in ‘As You Weres’ shooting script, meant to hurt Buffy directly because it’s a reference to Angel. So when you're dealing with that kind of relationship, the relationship that's supposed to be 'epic' and Romeo/Juliet, there's no surprises the love was supposed to just "connect." They’re supposed to be connected on a whole other level, and since this is a show with supernatural elements I can totally buy that, for the Buffyverse the fantasy became a reality. It's not everyone's cup of tea of course.
Though the reason it doesn't both me, is that even though Buffy and Xander reached the conclusion she loved him way early on in 'Angel' there's still build ups to the "I love you" moment in season two. Right up until 'Surprise' which is actually the first time both characters deeply say it to one another and return the feelings, it's all building up to that moment, before they have sex, and ultimately the tragedy of Angel loosing his soul. So there's still ground work there, it just happened after.
"It's immature, fluffy highschool love that you grow out of"- This one bugs me the most I must say. There's most certainly elements of highschool love, "Buffy & Angel 4eva" springs to mind, and that's to be expected given when their relationship took place. However, it goes deeper than that, there's also maturity in that relationship that isn't displayed in Buffy's "grown up" relationships, such as Buffy/Spike. As Giles points out, Spike lacked the "self awareness" that Angel had, to leave Buffy because he knew how harmful the relationship was to her. Angels a more mature character than Spike.
Buffy, arguably was more mature in so season one-season three, than she is now. Many fans believe she's regressed and in some areas I agree. She was never your typical highschool girl and it doesn't seem fair to try and shove her into that criteria just so you can rant about how much you dislike the ship. Not many sixteen year olds decide to end their own life to save everybody else, not many sixteen year old girls have the maturity to teach a 200 + the purpose of fighting and being strong and talking them out of a suicide attempt, not many sixteen year old girls have the strength to sacrifice the one they love to save the world.
And if it was just highschool love you wouldn't have episodes such as 'I Will Remember You' "I'm a big girl now, I'm not in highschool anymore" or 'Forever' or 'End of Days/Chosen' or 'Flooded' that shows Buffy and Angel still feel love for one another.
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Post by cheryl on Oct 31, 2008 8:42:16 GMT -5
Joss put the whole "Buffy was just a child" chanters in their place at the paleyfest. Buffy was wise beyond her years. Maturity was not the issue.
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Post by lmblack21 on Nov 2, 2008 18:59:32 GMT -5
I really like Buffy/Angel, I think it's the only relationship Buffy's truly been open to, and right up until season seven's 'End of Days' it still brings out the unguarded Buffy, the Buffy I miss. The ship brought out the best in the show, it did very little negative things to the series, it only enhanced it's enjoyment, and it never took over the entire show, aside from season two where their relationship effected *everybody* so it's very different from it just being above Buffy and her partner. That's what I enjoyed about it, it didn't spill over into everything else or take away from anybody elses story. And the Buffy/Angel/Angelus storyline of season two was the best the series ever did in my opinion, it was truly amazing television (though season 3 overall is my favourite season of the show.) And what I loved most about the relationship, their break-up scene in 'The Prom.' Angel was a wonderful, caring person for doing what he did in that episode. He knew a romance with a vampire *is not* what Buffy deserved, as did Joyce, Willow, Giles, Buffy and heck, even the Mayor! Angel showed how mature and selfless he was in that episode, and I respect all he did for Buffy's character by ending the relationship. I also really like how Buffy'Angel compliment Buffy/Xander, my other favoured pairing for Buffy. Angel's the poster boy for Bander, other than Xander himself, Angel's the voice in the show for all those Buffy/Xander fans. I love how Angel realises that Buffy needs to be a human and I love how he explains why he's jealous of Xander in 'Some Assembly Required.'Generally, as I said at the start of my post, I also love what the relationship brings out in Buffy. Throughout season seven she was a very inward, closed off, generally unhappy person. But the second she sees Angel in 'End of Days' we see that smile on her face, something I sorely missed, a look not seen on her in ages, and I realised pretty much after that moment that I really liked this relationship for that reason alone. Even in season six it brings out passion in her we don't usually see, she's "going through the motions" until she gets that phone call, and there's intensity and a desperation in her voice to see Angel "right now" that brings out life and vibrancy in her again, she suddenly has a purpose. To touch on quickly the three biggest complaints I hear people make about Buffy/Angel; "It's disgusting he's 200 and she's only sixteen, and fifteen when he saw her" - Who cares? Angel's never been a product of society and he never will be, he's a vampire, he doesn't care about our rules. We've seen this in 'Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been' when he doesn't give a sh#t about Judy's skin colour whereas everyone else in the 1950's did, we saw that he didn't care about WWII in 'Why We Fight.' Angel's been around so long he stopped caring about other people's age, if he didn't, he'd be constantly thinking about it in regards to anyone whom he met, he got over it. And he wasn't some "pervy old man" as I've seen many people state. He wasn't "perving" on her, he connected with her because he finally found someone whom he shared something in common with. When Angel saw Buffy crying in her bathroom mirror, he saw his own reflection for the first time. Like Buffy, he to had just been given a destiny he didn't know he had (Whistler) and he sees how very alone she suddenly feels, and connects with that, he's been alone for 90 years. He also tries to keep away from getting friendly with her which is why he has his cryptic message guy act throughout season 1, she's the aggressor in the relationship now the other way around. 'Helpless' also proves that neither Buffy or Angel view their age in the way people complain about it. Buffy makes a joke about going out with "a older man" who likes it when she calls him "daddy." Angel's concerned for her until he realises it is a joke, obviously he doesn't view himself in this way, and given Buffy's humorous nature of the subject, neither does she. And ya know, really, I have less issues with a age gap where Angel was *not* being pervy than I do with Buffy sleeping with a *unrepentant* murderer, who can't deny he's like a "serial killer in prison" who's the same guy who laughs about "the nasty things" Marcus the vampire does to children, who jokes about the people he's ate and who would gladly kill Buffy's friends. Obviously season seven Spike's a different guy entirley, but really if we're going to be outraged by the person Buffy's sleeping with, I think a soulless Spike takes the cake hmmm? “There was no build up, they were just in love because the script said they were”- I can see why people would have a problem with this, but again I think it comes down to taste. Buffy/Angel were supposed to be the big epic romance, connected on another level. The word ‘Soul mates’ has been banded about a lot. Their connected on a level only Faith shares with Buffy (given her knowledge of Dawn coming in her dream sequences.) Buffy/Angel literally feel each other, we this in ‘Pangs’ and it’s textually confirmed in ‘I Will Remember You.’ Their on a different level, and hints at the script certainly suggest this, “the one person in the universe you’re meant to be with” being said by Anya, proven in ‘As You Weres’ shooting script, meant to hurt Buffy directly because it’s a reference to Angel. So when you're dealing with that kind of relationship, the relationship that's supposed to be 'epic' and Romeo/Juliet, there's no surprises the love was supposed to just "connect." They’re supposed to be connected on a whole other level, and since this is a show with supernatural elements I can totally buy that, for the Buffyverse the fantasy became a reality. It's not everyone's cup of tea of course. Though the reason it doesn't both me, is that even though Buffy and Xander reached the conclusion she loved him way early on in 'Angel' there's still build ups to the "I love you" moment in season two. Right up until 'Surprise' which is actually the first time both characters deeply say it to one another and return the feelings, it's all building up to that moment, before they have sex, and ultimately the tragedy of Angel loosing his soul. So there's still ground work there, it just happened after. "It's immature, fluffy highschool love that you grow out of"- This one bugs me the most I must say. There's most certainly elements of highschool love, "Buffy & Angel 4eva" springs to mind, and that's to be expected given when their relationship took place. However, it goes deeper than that, there's also maturity in that relationship that isn't displayed in Buffy's "grown up" relationships, such as Buffy/Spike. As Giles points out, Spike lacked the "self awareness" that Angel had, to leave Buffy because he knew how harmful the relationship was to her. Angels a more mature character than Spike. Buffy, arguably was more mature in so season one-season three, than she is now. Many fans believe she's regressed and in some areas I agree. She was never your typical highschool girl and it doesn't seem fair to try and shove her into that criteria just so you can rant about how much you dislike the ship. Not many sixteen year olds decide to end their own life to save everybody else, not many sixteen year old girls have the maturity to teach a 200 + the purpose of fighting and being strong and talking them out of a suicide attempt, not many sixteen year old girls have the strength to sacrifice the one they love to save the world. And if it was just highschool love you wouldn't have episodes such as 'I Will Remember You' "I'm a big girl now, I'm not in highschool anymore" or 'Forever' or 'End of Days/Chosen' or 'Flooded' that shows Buffy and Angel still feel love for one another. Vamps, (the Bander portion aside, since I'm SO not on that shipper train), I could not agree more. Lovely, LOVELY post, thank you for sharing. I have a problem with people saying it was "gross" because of the age difference because this is usually spouted by the same people who love the idea of Spuffy in way back in season 2 and try to come up with "connections" between them that absolutely do not exist (seriously, the blood on his cheek and the paint on hers in "School Hard" is somehow symbolic? Puhlease). So the "logic" is extremely hypocritical. Not to mention the fact that Angel didn't stalk Buffy (as Spike did in pretty much every season except 7) but was, instead, brought to her by The Powers That Be. They both tried to avoid falling in love but couldn't help themselves. And Buffy, as Joss pointed out, was nothing LIKE a child when she met Angel. She was far wiser and more mature than all of her peers. So I disregard the talk of the age difference as sour shipping grapes on the part of other shippers - *cough*Spuffy*cough*. And when it's outright denied by the creator Joss, that's just icing on the proverbial cake. As to the idea that it was "instant love". Sorry, can't agree there either. Neither of them confessed in love for the other till season 2. They didn't even have their first date till season 2. Love WAS brought up by others - Darla, Xander, Giles - and while I believe they DID fall in love in season 1, I don't think it was so "sudden". People tend to forget that season 1 was a condensed season of only 12 episodes. But those 12 episodes were supposed to be covering pretty close to an entire year. We know this because it was the beginning of the school year (hence cheerleading tryouts, etc) and it spanned a whole year. The "L" word wasn't even mentioned until episode 7, which was more than halfway through the year/season. That's a span of months, not weeks or days. It just *felt* faster because it was 12 episodes instead of 22. But if you consider that, it's not really instant anything. It's not like Angel "woke up from a dream" to discover he was suddenly in love. *snert* There was instant attraction (which is normal and typical), there was flirting, there was the two of them looking out for the other, looking forward to seeing the other, sharing secrets, creating intimacy....all of this was happening during/prior to anyone mentioning love. Then there's the idea that it was just a high school romance. Sorry, doesn't fly. If nothing that happened in season 2 - particularly when she had TO KILL THE MAN SHE LOVED - didn't end any thought of them *just* being some high school romance, than "I Will Remember You" should have. "Forever" should have. The off screen meeting should have. and "End of Days" and "Chosen" most definitely should have. Buffy was no longer in high school during any of those times and she STILL wanted Angel. HE still wanted her. Both of them being more aware of the problems, pitfalls and practicalities and still against major odds. But both grown up and having gone through more than any other character outside of the two of them. In fact, Buffy and Angel are more alike and have more in common by the end of season 5/7 respectively than any other 2 characters and more than they ever did with each other. They are more equal to/with each other than anyone else or than they have had been. And they both still want/pine for each other. That's what true love IS. Like Spike once said..."Love isn't brains, children, it's blood... (clasps his chest) blood screaming inside you to work its will." THAT is the essence of B/A. It's why they both once said to each other, "I try not to, but I can't stop" - they can't stop loving each other and God knows they've both tried. It's destiny. It's love. It's B/A. -Luc
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Post by cheryl on Nov 4, 2008 22:18:05 GMT -5
As to the idea that it was "instant love". Sorry, can't agree there either. Neither of them confessed in love for the other till season 2. They didn't even have their first date till season 2. Love WAS brought up by others - Darla, Xander, Giles - and while I believe they DID fall in love in season 1, I don't think it was so "sudden". People tend to forget that season 1 was a condensed season of only 12 episodes. But those 12 episodes were supposed to be covering pretty close to an entire year. We know this because it was the beginning of the school year (hence cheerleading tryouts, etc) and it spanned a whole year. The "L" word wasn't even mentioned until episode 7, which was more than halfway through the year/season. That's a span of months, not weeks or days. It just *felt* faster because it was 12 episodes instead of 22. But if you consider that, it's not really instant anything.
It's not like Angel "woke up from a dream" to discover he was suddenly in love. *snert*
There was instant attraction (which is normal and typical), there was flirting, there was the two of them looking out for the other, looking forward to seeing the other, sharing secrets, creating intimacy....all of this was happening during/prior to anyone mentioning love.
Then there's the idea that it was just a high school romance. Sorry, doesn't fly. If nothing that happened in season 2 - particularly when she had TO KILL THE MAN SHE LOVED - didn't end any thought of them *just* being some high school romance, than "I Will Remember You" should have. "Forever" should have. The off screen meeting should have. and "End of Days" and "Chosen" most definitely should have. Buffy was no longer in high school during any of those times and she STILL wanted Angel. HE still wanted her. Both of them being more aware of the problems, pitfalls and practicalities and still against major odds. But both grown up and having gone through more than any other character outside of the two of them. In fact, Buffy and Angel are more alike and have more in common by the end of season 5/7 respectively than any other 2 characters and more than they ever did with each other. They are more equal to/with each other than anyone else or than they have had been. And they both still want/pine for each other.
That's what true love IS. Like Spike once said..."Love isn't brains, children, it's blood... (clasps his chest) blood screaming inside you to work its will."
THAT is the essence of B/A. It's why they both once said to each other, "I try not to, but I can't stop" - they can't stop loving each other and God knows they've both tried. It's destiny. It's love. It's B/A.
-Luc
Strangely, I never get tired of hearing you do that! Smooch!
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Post by lmblack21 on Nov 5, 2008 22:04:00 GMT -5
As to the idea that it was "instant love". Sorry, can't agree there either. Neither of them confessed in love for the other till season 2. They didn't even have their first date till season 2. Love WAS brought up by others - Darla, Xander, Giles - and while I believe they DID fall in love in season 1, I don't think it was so "sudden". People tend to forget that season 1 was a condensed season of only 12 episodes. But those 12 episodes were supposed to be covering pretty close to an entire year. We know this because it was the beginning of the school year (hence cheerleading tryouts, etc) and it spanned a whole year. The "L" word wasn't even mentioned until episode 7, which was more than halfway through the year/season. That's a span of months, not weeks or days. It just *felt* faster because it was 12 episodes instead of 22. But if you consider that, it's not really instant anything.
It's not like Angel "woke up from a dream" to discover he was suddenly in love. *snert*
There was instant attraction (which is normal and typical), there was flirting, there was the two of them looking out for the other, looking forward to seeing the other, sharing secrets, creating intimacy....all of this was happening during/prior to anyone mentioning love.
Then there's the idea that it was just a high school romance. Sorry, doesn't fly. If nothing that happened in season 2 - particularly when she had TO KILL THE MAN SHE LOVED - didn't end any thought of them *just* being some high school romance, than "I Will Remember You" should have. "Forever" should have. The off screen meeting should have. and "End of Days" and "Chosen" most definitely should have. Buffy was no longer in high school during any of those times and she STILL wanted Angel. HE still wanted her. Both of them being more aware of the problems, pitfalls and practicalities and still against major odds. But both grown up and having gone through more than any other character outside of the two of them. In fact, Buffy and Angel are more alike and have more in common by the end of season 5/7 respectively than any other 2 characters and more than they ever did with each other. They are more equal to/with each other than anyone else or than they have had been. And they both still want/pine for each other.
That's what true love IS. Like Spike once said..."Love isn't brains, children, it's blood... (clasps his chest) blood screaming inside you to work its will."
THAT is the essence of B/A. It's why they both once said to each other, "I try not to, but I can't stop" - they can't stop loving each other and God knows they've both tried. It's destiny. It's love. It's B/A.
-Luc
Strangely, I never get tired of hearing you do that! Smooch! Aw, thanks! I need to bring the B/A "connections in pictures" to this thread... Maybe later tonight, if I get time. -Luc
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Post by cheryl on Nov 6, 2008 6:34:15 GMT -5
Yes, that's what this thread needs! Can't wait to see them. ;D
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Post by eriktheslayerboy on Nov 11, 2008 17:51:45 GMT -5
Bangel is forever!
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Post by lmblack21 on Nov 12, 2008 23:00:16 GMT -5
B/A tops the list of another poll celebrating the love and romance of epic loves... Top Supernatural Romances of TV and FilmIt's awesome not only because they are NUMBER ONE on a VERY impressive list (among many Vamp/Human ships as well!) but because it includes tv AND film. Gah. Here's what it says about our favorite epic couple: Angel, the brooding vampire with a soul and Buffy, the vampire slayer, were opposites. So naturally they would attract one another. Even the act of lovemaking sent them in spiraling in different directions. He truly evil, she just wanting to cuddle. But somehow, they made it work...they found common interests..he tormented with guilt and remorse over years of killing innocents and she tortured by the fact she could not have a normal life. Gather ye rosebuds while thee may...Thanks to Bonnaleah at darkhorse for pointing this out. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................B/A!!!! Other couples who made the list: 1. Angel and Buffy 2. Sookie and Bill 3. Olivia and John of "Fringe" 4. Samantha and Darrin Stevens of "Bewitched" 5. Vicki and Henry of "Blood Ties" 6. Scott Summers [Cyclops] and Jean Grey [Phoenix] 7. Rose and the Doctor of "Doctor Who" 8. Lois Lane and Clark Kent of "Smallville" 9. Melinda and Jim of "Ghost Whisperer" 10. Liz and Hellboy of "Hellboy" 11. Jeannie and Tony of "I dream of Jeannie" 12. Ned and Chuck of "Pushing Daisies" 13. Liz and MX of "Roswell" 14. Arwen and Aragorn of "Lord of the Rings" 15. Allison and Joe Dubois of "Medium" 16. Mick St John and Beth of "Moonlight" 17. Mork and Mindy 18. Fox Mulder and Dana Scully of "X-files" 19. Sam and Andi of "Reaper" 20. Ruby and Sam of "Supernatural" 21. Edward and Isabella of "Twilight" 22. Ella and Leon of "Hex" -Luc
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Post by cheryl on Nov 13, 2008 22:23:31 GMT -5
Wow, what an impressive list to top. One of my favorites has to be the X Files reference. This is just too cool. Thanks for bringing this over.
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Post by lmblack21 on Nov 16, 2008 22:02:15 GMT -5
Wow, what an impressive list to top. One of my favorites has to be the X Files reference. This is just too cool. Thanks for bringing this over. Anytime! It gave me quite the happy. ;D Oh, and check this out. It's a list about the best shows set in a school and Buffy comes in at number 2 - but check out what it says about Buffy, and in particular, B/A: 2) Buffy The Vampire Slayer Talking of which.....This was one of the most original TV series to come out of the US in the nineties. It told the story of a teenage girl named Buffy (Sarah Michelle Gellar) who was selected to be ‘the chosen one’ - a slayer of the vampires and demons who seem in endless supply in her Californian home of Sunnydale. The series followed Buffy as she dealt with the usual teen angst problems of school work, dating and fitting in, but turned the conventional ideas on their heads (Buffy's true love, Angel, is a two centuries old reformed vampire, for example,[/u] which poses a whole new set of romantic problems).[/i] :heart: -Luc
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Post by cheryl on Nov 17, 2008 5:55:13 GMT -5
Never got better than the high school years, imo. Pretty much had it all. The undeniable Scooby dynamic. Buffy and Angel. The strongest version of Buffy ever. *sighs*
Thanks for bringing over another huge shout out to everything I love about this series. ;D
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Post by Aly Summers on Nov 23, 2008 18:44:06 GMT -5
Hi guys! I'm kinda new around here. Thought I should start at the best thread ;P
Luc, where did you find that list? It's pretty amazing!! And I can't believe Sam/Ruby and Edward/Bella were mentioned as well!! yay \o/
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Post by tms on Nov 24, 2008 17:49:13 GMT -5
*pokes banner* Bangel is win; I don't see why people love Spuffy. BANGEL FTW!
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Post by cheryl on Nov 24, 2008 22:30:49 GMT -5
Here's a cool little shout out you guys might enjoy. You can leave comments at the site. ;D www.endofshow.com/Kevin Beaumont has something to say. The year is 2008, and that sound you hear crackling is a pile of money burning in 20th Century Fox’s back yard. Let me explain. To form a major motion picture, you need three elements: a story (your creative reason), a profitable venture (a business reason), and a talented cast and crew (your creative force). It also requires strong catering on set. When “Buffy The Vampire Slayer” finished airing in 2003, I knew the show was over - it had bowed out with something to say. But yet the story kept bouncing around in my head. Would anybody ever like Dawn? Would Buffy ever touch Xander in the bad place? Fast forward to 2008. Clearly I wasn’t the only person pondering those characters and their story. Series creator Joss Whedon started a “season eight” comic, aided by many former Buffy writers, to continue tales in the universe. “Buffy” is an international franchise, providing major DVD sales for 20th Century Fox, with brand recognition in all major territories. Most of the staff writers have gone on to big gigs, many winning major roles on hit TV shows. Show lead Sarah Michelle Gellar has gone on to front horror pic “The Grudge” and family friendly “Scooby Doo” (written by the foul mouthed and entirely hilarious James Gunn). So, now all you need is a business reason. And here it is: “Twilight”. ”Twilight” is essentially lite-horror, romance porn. But make no mistake - in it’s opening weekend, the modestly budgeted ($38m) flick took over $70m. For something to be considered successful enough for a sequel, a general rule of thumb is two and a half times the production budget on domestic release. ”Twilight” should easily make that mark by its second weekend. It turns out a vampiresque story with added romance and teen appeal could be a worldwide hit. Who’d have thought? Oh yes. Joss Whedon. I know what you’re thinking. Yes, cheesecake is great — and back when the first Buffy movie was made, it was a box office bomb. Because it was. Because it was an almost terrible mess of badly executed ideas. Joss didn’t have creative control of the movie, because it simply wasn’t his movie - direction laid elsewhere, and he was, in movie direction terms - a small fish. Forget the cheesecake and come back to 2008 with me - now you have somebody who understands movie direction, who has an amazing cast who want to move on to the big screen. You have, in Joss, somebody who wants to make a big summer action movie. You have somebody who has those characters and that story burning in his brain, itching to escape. And - critically - you have somebody who understands teen appeal vampire romance porn like nobody else on the planet. There’s a stack of money waiting to be made here. And let’s not even mention Whedonites across the global and their DVD fetish. Want midnight screenings and buzz, too? Check. The real question is this - what story would you tell in a 2 hour motion picture? Update: The Twilight sequel has been greenlit.
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Post by lmblack21 on Nov 28, 2008 2:26:22 GMT -5
Talk about a big screen Buffy/Angel movie again can be found here and it's almost painful to read cause I can't bring myself to hope for such a thing. But I love what it says, particularly the bolded portion, because of course, I agree!!! New Buffy movie on the way? Will Buffy be resurrected with thanks to "Twilight"?
Author: Clint Morris Date: Thursday, November 27th, 2008
On page 51 of today’s Herald-Sun Newspaper – in the “ExtraHit” Entertainment lift-out - is a news item suggesting a script for a new “Buffy” movie is doing the rounds.
This is what it says :
The monster success of girly vampire pic Twilight at the US Box office last weekend could kick open the door for a big-screen return of Joss Whedon’s much-loved Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Rumours are circulating in Hollywood that Whedon has a feature-film script based on his hit TV series ready to roll as soon as a studio is prepared to commit. The Buffy concept was first unveiled as a movie in 1992 with long-forgotten Kristy Swanson in the title role.
Hmmm, as much as I want to believe it, I just don’t. Joss had a hard enough time convincing all the applicable parties that some spin-off ‘telemovies’ were worth doing – and even then, nobody seemed to be on the same page. One minute they were on, the next minute they were off – and that’s how the proposed small-screen telefilms (one was rumoured to fix on Spike, from memory) have stayed. They’ll never happen – even Joss will tell you that. That doesn’t mean I don’t think a 'film' a great idea, in fact, I think it’s a terrific idea, and it could make money – especially, as the article states, if they strike now whilst the “Twilight” iron is hot. Whedon probably wouldn’t have any trouble convincing stars Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz – wouldn’t be a “Buffy” movie without an Angel appearance after all!back to fold, considering they’ve always said they wouldn’t care so much to do any more small-screen Buffy/Angel but would jump at the chance to bring the characters to theaters.gers crossed, but not too tight – you’ll probably be closing off the circulation for nothing. Lets wait for a response from Joss – keep your eyes peeled for one at Whedonesque.com, the best dang Whedon-verse site out there.
I do NOT believe there's actually a script out there, but would love to believe the talk never really dies. Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving officially!!! *hugs*
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Post by cheryl on Dec 1, 2008 7:31:39 GMT -5
I love all the hype surrounding Twilight and how that has brought out the obvious question....Where's Buffy? It's a question I know that I would like to have answered. SITC did pretty well and that's what SMG said "they" were watching, so who knows, maybe Joss DOES have a script floating around. Seems as if he and SMG have at least talked about the possibility. That's always cool. *Happy sigh*
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Post by CowboyGuy on Dec 3, 2008 2:56:05 GMT -5
After seeing Twilight in the theater, I feel that nothing will top Bangel as far as teen/vampire love and angst. Sure the flick did an okay job, but I couldn't help but to compare it to Seasons 1-2 Buffy. It was all I kept thinking of, other than vampires with glitter skin that is.
As for the other topic in this thread, I do hope that the successes of this most recent vampire-pic spur a Buffy renaissance! I would kill for more Buffy on film!
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Post by cheryl on Dec 3, 2008 3:14:57 GMT -5
I really liked Twilight and the glitter skin was pretty cool, imo. Kind of a new concept. ETA...put this in here....
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Post by Jsebold87 on Dec 9, 2008 16:18:28 GMT -5
Here's a Bangel wallpaper (I didn't make it):
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cheryl
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Post by cheryl on Dec 9, 2008 23:01:20 GMT -5
Oh, that's very pretty. If you didn't make it, who did?
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