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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 25, 2008 10:34:19 GMT -5
There was no love there !!, Its disgusting ! *pukes* I actually laughed when I read that line. Your insult was lame. You can call Spuffy many thing, but love-less isn't one of them. At least not from Spike's side...
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Post by Enisy on Oct 25, 2008 10:43:54 GMT -5
How can I like it "only because it was hot", when I've 'shipped it since "Becoming #2"? *g* Also, I don't think it's possible for Spike to be one of the two "most important men in Buffy's life", as stated by Joss, if there was no love there.
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Post by Joe on Oct 25, 2008 11:04:27 GMT -5
How can there be fans for this abusive relationship. Spuffy should end!
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Post by Enisy on Oct 25, 2008 11:26:49 GMT -5
'Caaaaause... it was only abusive in nine episodes out of its three-plus seasons of screentime? Looks like some people were blindfolded during those. I'm amazed how two people need to be snogging or sleeping together for their interaction to "count"... whereas their very sweet, very healthy setup and transitional phases (as in Season 5, early Season 6, and Season 7 of Buffy) are disregarded. But I've come to expect it from 'shippers of Angel and Buffy, who went from apathy to Destined Eternal Love111!!eleventy in the space of a single episode, and that only because a script told them to -- setup and development be damned. They don't "count". (See, and I normally like Angel/Buffy. This forum makes me really cranky in the 'shipping department.)
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Post by Joe on Oct 25, 2008 11:29:47 GMT -5
I agree about early season 6/season 7. But Season 5, it just wasn't there, especially the majority of Season 6.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Oct 25, 2008 11:32:52 GMT -5
I'm not shipper person, but I do have to say that the scene at the end of Intervention, when Buffy pretends to be the Buffybot, is one of my favorites of the series.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 25, 2008 11:39:12 GMT -5
But I've come to expect it from 'shippers of Angel and Buffy, who went from apathy to Destined Eternal Love111!!eleventy in the space of a single episode, and that only because a script told them to -- setup and development be damned. They don't "count". (See, and I normally like Angel/Buffy. This forum makes me really cranky in the 'shipping department.) Lol. I actually giggled when I read the last sentence. Seemed contradictory to what you had written. I almost agreed with you at first, when I read "who went from apathy to Destined Eternal Love111!!eleventy in the space of a single episode, and that only because a script told them to -- setup and development be damned." Then I remembered how they had fought of attraction for months (although the scene in Becoming when the 200-century year old guy was looking at the 15-year old girl is kinda creepy), how Angel had almost died at the hands of Spike in What's my line, how tender and comfortable they were with each other(see Ted), and how Buffy thought she might never see Angel again when they headed for the docks, how they both almost were killed buy the Judge, Spike & Drusilla and how they after that must have realised how close they were to losing each other, again, and then gave in to lust and love. Because a script told them to? I don't think so.
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Post by Enisy on Oct 25, 2008 11:39:12 GMT -5
The most iconic Spike/Buffy scene ever comes from Season 5... but the 'ship "just wasn't there". ...Okay. Makes sense. So I guess poor Logan and Veronica from Veronica Mars only have those four episodes from Season 1 and the crappiest-than-any-season-of- Buffy-and- Angel-ever crappy Season 3 as basis for their 'ship, huh? Man, those will-they-won't-they 'ships get the worst end of the deal...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 25, 2008 11:45:52 GMT -5
The most iconic Spike/Buffy scene ever comes from Season 5... but the 'ship "just wasn't there". ...Okay. Makes sense. Which scene? The Intervention scene?
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Post by Enisy on Oct 25, 2008 11:46:00 GMT -5
I almost agreed with you at first, when I read "who went from apathy to Destined Eternal Love111!!eleventy in the space of a single episode, and that only because a script told them to -- setup and development be damned." Then I remembered how they had fought of attraction for months (although the scene in Becoming when the 200-century year old guy was looking at the 15-year old girl is kinda creepy), how Angel had almost died at the hands of Spike in What's my line, how tender and comfortable they were with each other(see Ted), and how Buffy thought she might never see Angel again when they headed for the docks, how they both almost were killed buy the Judge, Spike & Drusilla and how they after that must have realised how close they were to losing each other, again, and then gave in to lust and love. Because a script told them to? I don't think so. All that stuff happened after their Destined Eternal Love(!) had been established, though. Shooting script for the seventh episode of Buffy Season 1 -- which is the first time we get any significant 'shippy interaction between the two, mind you: Xander: I know you have feelings but it's not like you're in love with him or anything, right? Buffy's expression tells us she just might be. Xander loses his cool.Xander: You're in love with a vampire?! Are you out of your mind? So, yeah. "Because a script told them to." They get no more setup than the token romance in your average action movie, and suddenly they're in love. Which scene? The Intervention scene? Backporch scene in Fool for Love. Although, now that I think about it... might be a tight contest between that and the kiss in Once More, With Feeling.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 25, 2008 12:50:09 GMT -5
You were talking about the episode Angel? I thought you meant Innocence. Eternal love? I never saw the episode like that. A guy who had fallen at first sight and a 16 year old girl kiss and then decide not to be together? I don't see how that could be forced.
She had meet this hot mysterious guy and fall for him, and he had been lurking, watching her for a while, working up the tension and love-sickness (with a 16-year old, bluah) and then they kissed. It seems pretty reasonable to me.
EDIT- And no scene beats the one in The gift. Sure, season 7 has some sweets one, but then he had a soul. The one in the Gift shows how loving a sadistic murderer can be. Many of Spike's victims would have died of schock if they'd seen that look on his face.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Oct 25, 2008 13:14:38 GMT -5
I have a love/hate relationship with Spuffy. I like what it did for Spike, he became a better being. Buffy on the other hand, not so much. I don't think they're cute together, and I highly doubt they'll ever get back together in the future of Season 8, 9 and beyond. One very poignant minute for me is the:
"I know you'll never love me, I know I'm a monster...but you treat me like a man"
I really liked that part, and in some ways wish that Spike had never gone to get a soul, it cheapens it for me. He turned into a schmuck in all of Season 7 until End of Days/Chosen IMO.
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Post by Enisy on Oct 25, 2008 16:12:26 GMT -5
She had meet this hot mysterious guy and fall for him, and he had been lurking, watching her for a while, working up the tension and love-sickness (with a 16-year old, bluah) and then they kissed. It seems pretty reasonable to me. Sure, when you put it like that. What doesn't seem reasonable to me is that the script establishes it as love (see quote in my previous post) that early in the game, and that that point is never challenged or argued or questioned from then on. What about the look on his face when he sees her again in After Life? Guh. I have a love/hate relationship with Spuffy. I like what it did for Spike, he became a better being. Buffy on the other hand, not so much. Was that because of Spike, though? Let me put it this way: Angel was a more likable character in his own show than he ever was in Buffy, but was that really because he was with Cordelia and away from Buffy? Veronica was more likable before she got together with Logan in Season 3 of Veronica Mars, but was that because of Logan's presence and Duncan's absence? Willow was cuter and more relatable while she was with Oz than while she was with Tara, but is Tara really to blame for that? And so on and so forth. I don't think either Spike/Buffy or Angel/Buffy will get together again, because that's just not how Joss works. But they will both get fanservice. Angel turned into a schmuck for 100 years when he first got his soul back. Spike got off easy, in that respect.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Oct 25, 2008 16:39:03 GMT -5
What about the look on his face when he sees her again in After Life? Guh. *gripping for straws* But then we had already seen him looked soft in the gift. Not the same effect. And, uhm, he had just threathened Dawn. Duh. Seriously tough, every sweet Spuffy moment in season 6 is tainted because of the "come over to the dark side"-speeches and partly the rape attempt(that did make him get a soul so not that bad). He seems so much sweeter in season 5 & 7. Could be because it took me months between season 5 to 6 and 6 to 7. I didn't have that much money to buy the DVDs for.
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Post by Enisy on Oct 25, 2008 16:48:52 GMT -5
Seriously tough, every sweet Spuffy moment in season 6 is tainted because of the "come over to the dark side"-speeches and partly the rape attempt(that did make him get a soul so not that bad). I said this in a PM exchange recently, then repeated it in a public forum, and I'll now copy and paste it to this one: For my part... my first time watching early Season 6, I had been hoping for something like Smashed, because I was afraid I'd find the cuteness and easy intimacy tedious after a while -- and I still kinda feel that way. Those lovely moments stand out so much more starkly, and mean so much more, now that you know what comes next, than they would if the relationship had continued in that vein. Remember what Joss said about Angel/Buffy? -- they were hotter than Riley/Buffy because of what they couldn't do. Similarly, Spike/Buffy is more poignant to me than Buffy's other 'ships because it was generally so bereaved of emotional intimacy, and every second of it was as treasured to me as physical intimacy was to Angel/Buffy 'shippers. (How well do the two 'ships play off each other? It's one hell of a love triangle.)
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Post by Kara on Oct 25, 2008 17:16:41 GMT -5
Awwww Enisy you are so smart. I should've let you make this thread. Oh well too late now.
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Post by Emmie on Oct 25, 2008 21:58:20 GMT -5
enisy, I can't take credit for making most of those avvies (though I wish I could). They're avatars I found and collected over the years on several different sites. If one takes your fancy, feel free. Nah, I don't think I will... I like to credit the makers when I use one of their graphics. Most of the avatars were ones that took my fancy from an avatar sharing website. I combed through many pages of avatars, picking the ones I liked and saving them. But I understand wanting to give people credit for them too. I wish I still remembered the website I found these on. But in the end, I thought they were too pretty to be hiding in my photobucket account. I hope no one will take offense that they're not individually credited.
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Post by Kara on Oct 26, 2008 3:34:56 GMT -5
LOL. Who cares? They're just avvies. I'm sure they won't get too butt hurt over it.
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Post by Jsebold87 on Oct 26, 2008 4:50:52 GMT -5
I'm more of a B/A shipper myself, but I do see some moments in Spuffy that I do enjoy.
Highlights that I like: In Touched when he's holding her, in After Life 'every night I save you', and the kiss she gives him in Intervention. I like the sweeter moments in their relationship, when it was bettering both of them, instead of one of them getting hurt and damaged by the relationship. I don't like how Spike kept telling her that she belonged in the dark, and she came back wrong, which just further pushed her back into her shell and she began to feel that way. I think season 6 was really damaging to their relationship. I more like them in late season 5 and season 7.
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Post by Jsebold87 on Oct 26, 2008 5:53:28 GMT -5
Here's 2 Spuffy icons (I didn't make these):
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