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Post by wenxina on Aug 29, 2008 13:29:26 GMT -5
Color me confused, Simon, but doesn't someone else (alycat?) have the exact same picture as you? Unless you're one and the same... with the name change and all.
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Post by Wyndam on Aug 29, 2008 13:39:30 GMT -5
Color me confused, Simon, but doesn't someone else (alycat?) have the exact same picture as you? Unless you're one and the same... with the name change and all. I believe the forum has some stock avatars that members can choose from. I think that's why they have the same one.
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simon
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Post by simon on Aug 29, 2008 15:52:13 GMT -5
There we go, that should avoid any further confusion.
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Post by leah on Sept 1, 2008 12:50:13 GMT -5
Wow, what a topic of discussion! I have seen the light, and therefore agree
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Post by witcher on Sept 4, 2008 7:43:30 GMT -5
Well from what I got from Wikipedia the novels are not canon. There is actualy a list of Buffy canon:
All 144 episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer All 110 episodes of Angel The Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight comic series The Angel: After the Fall comic series and spin-off Spike: After the Fall The Fray comic series The Tales of the Slayers comic series The Tales of the Vampires comic series
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Post by taraswizard on Sept 4, 2008 14:05:10 GMT -5
For most verses there are actually alternate canons (IOW, they might be called fanons). Consider Dr. Who, most fans I know DO NOT consider the 1998 made for TV movie as a part of the canon; HOWEVER, Russell T. Davies, the executive producer in the UK who brought the Doctor back to TV after a 17 yr. hiatus, has said it is. (BTW, in many cases we cannot get a judgement from any of the original producers and staff since many of them are passed on) Consider the 1998 made for TV movie is BIG OLE Mess, badly written, badly acted, it's not pretty and there are elements that in serious conflict to previous parts 1963 - 1989 Dr. Who series.
Emmie wrote If that's what your originally analogy meant, it's not the way I read it. (SORRY) I agree, as a reader of tons of fanfic.
I'll restate an already posted opinion, just because a given text is not 'officially' canon does that diminish its value, its quality or even a marginal contribution to the verse. Consider Splinter in the Mind's Eye from the Star Wars tie-in novels, or Pretty Maids in the Buffyverse.
An earlier message had talked about copyrights and fees. Well, AFAIK the copyrights to Buffy characters, situations belonged to Mutant Enemy and then regarding tie-in (and merchandising) liciensing Fox Studios acted at that time as a contractual licensing agent on behalf of Mutant Enemy (Dark Horse's license for comics, Simon and Schuster's license for tie-ins, Moore's license for figures, etc). Once there's a contract the license holders can have pretty much free reign within the terms of the contract, more or less. And since there's no longer a Mutant Enemy, those rights and responsibilities fell back to whoever was its successor, I presume that would be Fox Studios (FYI, a multibillion dollar subsidiary of Murdoch's News Corp).
PS. Let's stay away from the religious analogies, really not appropriate. I'm as vigourous and avid fan of Buffyverse as anyone, BUT it's not a religion.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 4, 2008 14:42:59 GMT -5
PS. Let's stay away from the religious analogies, really not appropriate. I'm as vigourous and avid fan of Buffyverse as anyone, BUT it's not a religion. As I'm the only one to have used a "religious analogy", I'm guessing this is directed at me. And I'll respond by saying that I stand by my analogy, because it pretty much illustrates my point. I didn't equate the Buffyverse with a religion, but rather used the religion analogy to illustrate my point that what fans consider canon isn't necessarily so (for the general population), if statements from the creators/writers/producers/etc clearly reflect otherwise. Assuming that I was a gay Christian, I'm not going to say "Let's toss out Leviticus because it's anti-homo"... the books are canonical as such that Leviticus is a part of the canon. Thankfully, I'm gay, but not self-loathing.
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Post by faithnspike on Sept 26, 2008 9:18:13 GMT -5
canon buffy Season 1-7 duh angel 1-5 duh tales of the vampires (joss worked on this) tales of the slayers (same) fray (Joss wrote it) season 8 (joss is involved and is writing a lot of it) Angel after the fall (Joss said so)
Arguable cannon the origin (joss Said he had problems with it but it could pretty much be excepted as cannon) Spike, asylum, Shadow puppets, and after the fall (Lynch wrought them and they are being referenced in Angel after the fall so they can be argued to be cannon, although Joss has nothing to do with them) And possibly reunion as one of the show writers was the writer of reunion As well as a long nights journey (Joss wrought it but never seemed to care if it was cannon. This seems to be just an attempt to write his first comic not give as more cannon)
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Post by edge450 on Nov 30, 2008 8:45:54 GMT -5
I like thinking certain ones are canon. The Omnibuses seem great for canon.
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Post by wenxina on Nov 30, 2008 9:58:02 GMT -5
As long as you don't try using them for points for an argument, do as you please. Canon purists would slay you for that kind of heresy.
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