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Post by Joe on Jul 17, 2008 11:25:55 GMT -5
I love Darla in "Angel" and all the flashback episodes. She's a great character. But I have this problem that's always been bugging me. In these episodes:
"Welcome to the Hellmouth"
"The Harvest"
"Angel"
She seems completely out of character. She didn't act like the powerful Darla we know and love. Did you guys catch this too? Does it bug you? It bugs me a lot.
Just recently I made my own theory why Darla's vamp face was white in season 1! At that point in her life she was well over 400 years and she used her vamp face a lot. So her face started turning demon... like The Master's face did.
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Post by iloveromy on Jul 17, 2008 11:57:53 GMT -5
I love Darla in "Angel" and all the flashback episodes. She's a great character. But I have this problem that's always been bugging me. In these episodes: "Welcome to the Hellmouth" "The Harvest" "Angel" She seems completely out of character. She didn't act like the powerful Darla we know and love. Did you guys catch this too? Does it bug you? It bugs me a lot. Just recently I made my own theory why Darla's vamp face was white in season 1! At that point in her life she was well over 400 years and she used her vamp face a lot. So her face started turning demon... like The Master's face did. Yeah this bugged me too. Honestly though, I don't think Darla was a fully realized character is season one. One thing that I have noticed is Julie Benz's voice dropped over the seasons. She was very high pitched in Season One, very school girl, but then as we progress through the years (even in flashbacks) her voice is a lot deeper. But Angel does say in season one that it looks like she is going through a school girl phase. Maybe it was just Darla playing a role. |
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Post by Joe on Jul 17, 2008 12:00:12 GMT -5
I love Darla in "Angel" and all the flashback episodes. She's a great character. But I have this problem that's always been bugging me. In these episodes: "Welcome to the Hellmouth" "The Harvest" "Angel" She seems completely out of character. She didn't act like the powerful Darla we know and love. Did you guys catch this too? Does it bug you? It bugs me a lot. Just recently I made my own theory why Darla's vamp face was white in season 1! At that point in her life she was well over 400 years and she used her vamp face a lot. So her face started turning demon... like The Master's face did. Yeah this bugged me too. Honestly though, I don't think Darla was a fully realized character is season one. One thing that I have noticed is Julie Benz's voice dropped over the seasons. She was very high pitched in Season One, very school girl, but then as we progress through the years (even in flashbacks) her voice is a lot deeper. But Angel does say in season one that it looks like she is going through a school girl phase. Maybe it was just Darla playing a role. oo I like that.. she's just role-playing b/c that's something Darla would do. I'll stick to that theory so my heads not jumbled..  |
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Post by alycat7 on Jul 17, 2008 12:01:47 GMT -5
Well at the time Joss probably had no intentions of going deeper into Darla's character. Maybe thats why she changed so much when she came back.
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Post by stakey on Jul 17, 2008 12:08:36 GMT -5
well darla was originally meant to die in The Harvest but then joss kept her on for Darla.
Its obviousssss though that joss didnt have this whole concept of Darla and her past when he was plotting out season 1 of buffy....so it doesnt really bother me that much.
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Post by Slayer489 on Jul 17, 2008 13:02:29 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't really notice much. But do remember that she is a follower and part of an Order in season 1. She's still badass though, especially with her guns in 'Angel'. And I really like your theory about her face Illyria's Pet. Karma for that.  |
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Post by Joe on Jul 17, 2008 13:20:53 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't really notice much. But do remember that she is a follower and part of an Order in season 1. She's still badass though, especially with her guns in 'Angel'. And I really like your theory about her face Illyria's Pet. Karma for that. thank you... lol I like my theory as well. |
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Post by Wyndam on Jul 17, 2008 14:02:18 GMT -5
Yeah just remember that when Darla first appeared on Buffy, no one had any idea that she would be later appearing on Angel, where she turned into a better character.
With that in mind, it's only natural to accept the inconsistencies between her character in Season 1 of Buffy and her later appearances. That's TV for you.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Jul 17, 2008 16:50:16 GMT -5
I really like the vamp make up in Buffy season 1 it looked more scary...especially the shot with Darla in the first 5 mins of Welcome To The Hellmouth. But remember that Darla was going to be killed off orignially in the firts episode and that was the end of her but Joss decided to keep her on the show and built up her relationship with Angel and The Master. It wasn't until Angel got his own spin off that we really got into Darla's back story with the rest of the vamp family especially in season 2
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jul 17, 2008 18:20:29 GMT -5
I love Darla in "Angel" and all the flashback episodes. She's a great character. But I have this problem that's always been bugging me. In these episodes: "Welcome to the Hellmouth" "The Harvest" "Angel" She seems completely out of character. She didn't act like the powerful Darla we know and love. Did you guys catch this too? Does it bug you? It bugs me a lot. Just recently I made my own theory why Darla's vamp face was white in season 1! At that point in her life she was well over 400 years and she used her vamp face a lot. So her face started turning demon... like The Master's face did. Well, if we wanted to rationalize it, I'd say it'd be because of the Master. She was daddy's little girl. Being with him made her behave in a way that wasn't her independant, strong willed self. |
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Post by deathisyourgift on Jul 18, 2008 21:59:45 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't really notice much. But do remember that she is a follower and part of an Order in season 1. She's still badass though, especially with her guns in 'Angel'. And I really like your theory about her face Illyria's Pet. Karma for that. I hate that she uses guns in Angel, it doesn't seem that a vampire so interested in killing the slayer would want to do it in such a detached, impersonal manner. Usually vamps want to have the satisfaction of the hunt and kill, not just target practice. It all irks me, which is why I don't like Darla in S1 of Buffy, but I love her in Angel. And I concur with the fact that Joss probably didn't realize he wanted to further he character on a spin-off he didn't know he'd be having, so naturally there are inconsistencies with Darla in Buffy versus Darla in Angel. |
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Post by NileQT87 on Jul 19, 2008 21:51:56 GMT -5
ah, but darla isn't about being personal. she runs and saves her own hide rather than get caught. she would rather play dirty than get caught or deal one-on-one. if you'll note, she often leaves angelus behind to get the wrath of THEIR victims. angelus enjoys getting personal. darla protects her hide and has no desire to fight things stronger than her.
darla's use of guns is smack dab right for her personality. darla would NEVER fight buffy hand-to-hand. she breaks the rules and either makes it an unfair fight (bringing vampire backups and a flaming arrow--for another example of darla bringing weapons to a fight--or using guns on buffy) or runs away.
darla is rational. she's not averse to cheating or letting others take the wrath (technically, holtz had more reason to be pissed at darla than angelus--same with the gypsies--darla was the one who caught and brought angel the gypsy girl). darla never fights fairly. she's brought weapons to a fight at least twice--and three times if you count that she was threatening to kill angel in china with a knife to his neck. darla definitely doesn't like to fight with her fists. darla also is the type who hires goons to fight her fights for her--we see this twice with rescuing angelus from holtz (where she brings a flaming arrow/crossbow) and the champions she hires in redefinition to fight angel. darla doesn't like to risk her hide.
buffy, for darla, wasn't about besting her in a physical fight, it was about KILLING her--to get her dead and out of the way... and with the least amount of risk to herself. darla is the type who fights unfairly with weapons or with others as fodder so that there is no risk to her.
she is probably the main reason that she and angelus habitually picked on the weak and innocent. holtz was probably the strongest thing she participated in going after--and she always left angelus to face him one-on-one and practically left all of the blame in holtz's eyes on angelus, despite her being worse.
as for how much of the darla/angel story was written in season 1, david greenwalt (who practically invented both the storylines for those characters) actually had darla mention that she had brought angelus the gypsy girl in the shooting script of angel, but the line was deleted.
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Post by deathisyourgift on Jul 20, 2008 10:22:08 GMT -5
A great argument, Nile QT87, I can see how it could be in Darla's nature to use guns. Also, interesting info about Greenwalt's deleted line, thank you. PS-your avatar is funny in that faster speed  |
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Post by ligeia on Jul 20, 2008 21:47:08 GMT -5
The inconsistencies annoy me, but Darla wasn't supposed to be brought back, that's all. And the Buffyverse in Buffy S1 wasn't clearly rooted. And about the vamp face... I think their makeup technique just evolved as years went by ! |
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Post by Joe on Jul 23, 2008 11:01:36 GMT -5
Ugh it just upsets me.. but this thread helped some |
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Post by brandonr on Jul 23, 2008 14:22:10 GMT -5
I agree that Darla wasn't a fully realized character in the first two episodes, and probably didn't start becoming one until "Angel." After she is killed here, the next time we see her is in "Becoming Part 1" in a flashback about Angel's past and how he met her in the first place. It's here that we see the Darla we come to know and love in Angel the series first emerge.
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Post by faithnspike on Jul 23, 2008 16:55:03 GMT -5
Even though she was not “fully realized” during season 1 I think her actions can be blamed on the master. She is back in his pocket so to speak and is (like the rest of his minions) completely subservient to him. When we see her stronger in flashbacks it is with Angel. When she is with the master she is subservient to him
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Post by Joe on Jul 24, 2008 18:27:18 GMT -5
Even though she was not “fully realized” during season 1 I think her actions can be blamed on the master. She is back in his pocket so to speak and is (like the rest of his minions) completely subservient to him. When we see her stronger in flashbacks it is with Angel. When she is with the master she is subservient to him that does make sense. Good job guys. I know Darla wasn't developed into a character until around Buffy Season 2, but this gives my head a reason for her actions in season 1. YAY  |
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Post by amuk on Jul 24, 2008 22:19:09 GMT -5
I've never been especially bothered by early Darla before. The "school girl phase" explanation is more than adequate.
But now you can rock me to sleep tonight because you've gone and made me wonder why she wasn't with the Master in "The Wish"....
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Post by ligeia on Jul 25, 2008 6:02:50 GMT -5
I've never thought about this. Very good question !
One more thing : I don't mean to upset people at all, but Angel was supposed to be killed on Buffy S1. So they surely didn't think too much about Darla's character at this point.
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