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Post by Wyndam on Mar 13, 2009 13:09:04 GMT -5
Seemed awfully fast for her to jump to not wanting to kill him, after she....just tried to kill him? I don't think she went there with the intent to kill Angel. She was most likely just testing out his skills as a fighter, especially since she brought up the idea that they work together. She obviously knows who he is and what he's done (in Hell-A), so she probably sees him as her greatest chance to get rid of her debt to the Lords. If she really wanted to kill him, then I doubt she would have bothered bantering with him at all.
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Post by Brian Lynch on Mar 13, 2009 14:06:36 GMT -5
Wasn't she about to stab him while he slept?
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Post by Nina on Mar 13, 2009 14:14:49 GMT -5
Maybe she is bluffing? Or did she make a plan B in the case plan A wouldn't work?
Like many, I've big issues with the art. Ross is good in a style that doesn't fit Angel. I don't have to say much more than what is already said. But the terrible stringy Kate hair is gone, which is a tiny plus.
On the other side, I'm interested in the story and I hope that the art doesn't destroy the fun too much. I agree with the person who said that it will probably be better when everybody will wear clothes again. The arc seems to be a good one with the mutant people and Angel's own personal quest.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Mar 13, 2009 14:29:17 GMT -5
I don't think we're ever going to see much clothes-wearing on Dez's part. She shifts back and forth between forms, and clothes don't survive that transformation. For her it's an all-the-time thing, not just once a month.
I don't think she ever intended to kill Angel... she's being used as an assassin against her will and wants his help in getting her out of it. She was pleased when he woke up and stopped her, and she put the stake to his chest to show Angel she was too fast for him, and could have killed him if she wanted to.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 13, 2009 16:25:28 GMT -5
Lol, Emmie's outrage at this preview is hilarious. I don't feel the same because I simply don't care enough about this title to really hate it. LMAO! I live to amuse. I'm not running around tearing my hair out, but I'm not enjoying this so far. My expectations have been forcibly lowered. Like I said, I'm being pushed down the ladder of lowered expectations and I'm not liking it. And it makes me even more disgruntled when people start bringing out the word canon in regards to the piece. I guess I'm donning the official 'grouchy pants' for this thread.
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Post by wenxina on Mar 13, 2009 16:34:08 GMT -5
*throws em the grouchy suspenders to go with the grouchy pants* I'm keeping the belt, just in case... I'm not too happy with Aftermath so far, but I guess I'm with Paul on this one... I just don't care enough about this. If the story picks up, then I may be a little more upset with how lousy the art is. Yeah, I said lousy... Even by super-hero rag standards, the art here is questionable. But then again, I don't read too many men-in-tights books, so maybe I'm missing out on the truly horrific stuff.
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Post by angeliclestat on Mar 13, 2009 19:13:38 GMT -5
I disagree with people saying that the art is bad. The *likenesses* are bad yes....very much so. But the art itself is actually quite good in my opinion.
Of course for tie-in material like this likenesses are very important. So major loss if brownie points when it comes to that. I do think however that the style and tone of the art works well for the comic. The only artist to every truly get the likenesses spot on was Mooney. Urru's art and likenesses worked well as a stylistic choice. Runge was just inexperienced as far as I can tell - but has the potential to be very good - some panels and likenesses were spot on...others not so much.
But Ross has yet to nail the characters. Maybe by the end he will. But I like everything else he is doing. And I am liking the story a lot so far.....so I'm pretty happy:)
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Post by patxshand on Mar 13, 2009 23:46:45 GMT -5
I disagree with people saying that the art is bad. The *likenesses* are bad yes....very much so. But the art itself is actually quite good in my opinion. Good point, I agree. I also called the art bad, but when I look at it.... it's not really. You're right, it's just the likenesses. And it makes me even more disgruntled when people start bringing out the word canon in regards to the piece. Aw, why? Shouldn't bother you, really, because you've made your view of the canonical status of this pretty clear. There is definitely enough evidence to support both views, so I can't see why someone calling the book something they view it as--and something it very well might be--should disgruntle you. We've had canonical things universally hated before, so it's not like canonical things are 100% always associated with goodness. I mean, Gingerbread, Doublemeat Palace, The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco, and... most epically... Beer Bad. PS: Not that I'm comparing "Aftermath" to those. To me, "Aftermath" is clearly considerably superior to the aforementioned episodes.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 14, 2009 0:26:55 GMT -5
I disagree with people saying that the art is bad. The *likenesses* are bad yes....very much so. But the art itself is actually quite good in my opinion. Good point, I agree. I also called the art bad, but when I look at it.... it's not really. You're right, it's just the likenesses. The art of a licensed TV show needs to have likenesses that fly. I'm whipping out my card that I've never played before with the art for AtF or Buffy Season 8 - these likenesses suck and it's negatively affecting the story. Now I'm all there for defending Jeanty. The only other time I can think of where the art was legitimately weak was when Runge was rushed and had a few repeat panels that lacked detail. That's it regarding pencils. This lacks ANGEL style. It doesn't need to be perfect of the actors. Like Joss said to Jeanty, don't make her look like SMG - make her look like Buffy. And this art by Ross doesn't look like Angel.
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Post by patxshand on Mar 14, 2009 0:33:23 GMT -5
Good point, I agree. I also called the art bad, but when I look at it.... it's not really. You're right, it's just the likenesses. The art of a licensed TV show needs to have likenesses that fly. I'm whipping out my card that I've never played before with the art for AtF or Buffy Season 8 - these likenesses suck and it's negatively affecting the story. Now I'm all there for defending Jeanty. The only other time I can think of where the art was legitimately weak was when Runge was rushed and had a few repeat panels that lacked detail. That's it regarding pencils. This lacks ANGEL style. It doesn't need to be perfect of the actors. Like Joss said to Jeanty, don't make her look like SMG - make her look like Buffy. And this art by Ross doesn't look like Angel. That's exactly what he was saying, except a bit less furiously. He was saying that the likenesses are very bad and I was agreeing. However, separating it from what it is, looking at it as comic art, it's not horrible art. It's generic comic art. That was the point that he was making.
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Post by Emmie on Mar 14, 2009 0:47:43 GMT -5
That's exactly what he was saying, except a bit less furiously. Seriously? Wow. This is me furious? Nooooo. But now I kinda am. I'm done. Might be back later. Might not. When I write criticisms, I'm not frothing at the mouth. I write analytical judgments - I'm actually thinking here. I have logic for why I think the way I do and my opinion of the subjective nature of that art is formed on this foundation. Is it too much to ask that the discussion actually stays on the subject itself? I wasn't talking about anything but the art and the franchise. Now you're talking about me? No thanks.
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Post by patxshand on Mar 14, 2009 1:39:21 GMT -5
That's exactly what he was saying, except a bit less furiously. Is it too much to ask that the discussion actually stays on the subject itself? I wasn't talking about anything but the art and the franchise. Now you're talking about me? No thanks. Woah that was unexpected. I wasn't "talking about you" and I'm gonna ask that you look back and read the post. How is me saying that you're furious over the art in the preview any different than Paul saying "Emmie's outrage at this preview is hilarious," you calling yourself grouchy, and Wexi making a joke about it. I know we disagree on the comic--but, if you remember my posts, we don't really disagree on the art--but let's not get with the double standards. You're obviously upset about the art, and so are a lot of other people, so I didn't think saying that would really be that much of a problem... and now I'm kinda shocked/wee bit offended that you're accusing me of "talking about you." C'mon, now. Unless Paul, yourself, and Wexi were insulting you, then I certainly certainly wasn't.
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Post by The Night Lord on Mar 14, 2009 3:21:36 GMT -5
Agreed. Angel never had that 'Schwarzenegger' look, so giving him that look now...are we sure that this is Angel? Our Angel, broody vamp with a soul or some bodybuilder with spiky dark hair living in LA pretending to be Angel? Another note: where the hell is Angel's tattoo? Not seeing him with that tattoo is a bit...upsetting. His tattoo was the reason I went out and got it as well, cuz it was so cool, but now that's it not there...saddening who's drawing this art?
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Post by patxshand on Mar 14, 2009 3:26:32 GMT -5
I agree, the Night Lord. It was forgotten in early "After the Fall," and Brian Lynch actually took the fan reaction into account and wrote in an explanation/joke about it. You would think after that, it would have been a point to keep the "Angel has a tattoo thing" consistent.
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Post by The Night Lord on Mar 14, 2009 3:33:48 GMT -5
Yeah, considering that everything was physically reset to before the fall, Angel's tattoo would have been returned, but nooo, some dude named Dave Ross didn't take that into account
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Post by patxshand on Mar 14, 2009 3:41:39 GMT -5
Hope it'll be fixed in the collection. It'd be a fairly easy addition.
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Post by The Night Lord on Mar 14, 2009 3:44:49 GMT -5
Really? Cool I can live with that
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Post by patxshand on Mar 14, 2009 3:48:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I like how IDW addresses errors in later editions and collections. I mean, I thought it was painfully clear that the vampire at the end of #1 was Gunn, but a good number of people didn't. His hoodie was changed from greenish (or blue?) to red so it stood out more. A lot of dialogue was corrected as well.
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Post by The Night Lord on Mar 14, 2009 3:57:04 GMT -5
I never knew that
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Post by CowboyGuy on Mar 14, 2009 16:41:58 GMT -5
Good point, I agree. I also called the art bad, but when I look at it.... it's not really. You're right, it's just the likenesses. The art of a licensed TV show needs to have likenesses that fly. I'm whipping out my card that I've never played before with the art for AtF or Buffy Season 8 - these likenesses suck and it's negatively affecting the story. Now I'm all there for defending Jeanty. The only other time I can think of where the art was legitimately weak was when Runge was rushed and had a few repeat panels that lacked detail. That's it regarding pencils. This lacks ANGEL style. It doesn't need to be perfect of the actors. Like Joss said to Jeanty, don't make her look like SMG - make her look like Buffy. And this art by Ross doesn't look like Angel. This doesn't sound "furious" at all to me. Actually it looks like something I wanted to write, as it is my thought on this exactly. The art stinks and I want the golden team back! Lynch/Urru!
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