neowhobaz
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Post by neowhobaz on Feb 25, 2010 17:31:20 GMT -5
I agree as well which Is why I did put it in Bold with the other stuff. Kinda seems weird considering its called "After the Fall Epilogue" that people would wonder about its canonicity.
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Post by buffystar on Mar 7, 2010 14:35:50 GMT -5
In order:-Angel vs Frankenstein -Spike vs Dracula #1 -Angel: Blood and trenches 1-3 -Spike Vs Dracula 2-4 Tales of the Slayers: Prolouge Tales of the Slayer: A Good Run (Novel) Tales of the Slayer: Lady Shobu (Novel) Tales of the Slayers: Righteous Tales of the Slayers: The Innocent-Angel vs Frankenstein Tales of the Slayers: Presumption-Spike vs Dracula #1 Tales of the Slayers: The Glittering World-Angel: Blood and trenches 1-3 -Spike Vs Dracula 2 Tales of the Slayers: Broken Bottle of Djinn (1937) Tales of the Slayers: Sonnenblume Spike Vs Dracula 3-4 Tales of the Slayers: Nikki Goes Down Tales of the Slayer: The Code of the Samurai (Novel) Tales of the Slayers: Broken Bottle of Djinn (either Buffy Season 1 or 3)Bold ones are the ones I've added/changed. I wasn't sure when "Angel Vs Frankenstein" took place so I made a guess. The same with "Angel: Blood and Trenches".
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Post by neowhobaz on Mar 8, 2010 9:30:37 GMT -5
Are the tales issues you posted all in the tpb? If they are then I can find where the two Angel mini's go specifically and I'll add all that stuff accordingly.
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Post by buffystar on Mar 8, 2010 23:03:36 GMT -5
Are the tales issues you posted all in the tpb? If they are then I can find where the two Angel mini's go specifically and I'll add all that stuff accordingly. They're all collected in the "Tales of the Slayers" TPB, except for "Broken Bottle of Djinn", "A Good Run", "Lady Shobu", and "The Code Of The Samurai". "Broken Bottle of Djinn" isn't in any collection, but is part of the Tales of the Slayers story. "A Good Run", "Lady Shobu", and "The Code of the Samurai" are short stories in the TOTS novels. Specially volumes 1 and 4. "Broken Bottle of Djinn" some parts take place in New York in the year 1937, I believe. While the other parts are either placed in Buffy's 1st or 3rd season. "A Good Run" and "Lady Shobu" takes place in ancient Greece and ancient Japan, while "The Code of the Samurai" tells the tale of slayer India Cohen, who was/is Buffy's predecessor.
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Post by neowhobaz on Mar 9, 2010 19:47:57 GMT -5
Whew heavily updated. Next goal is to have every episodes name displayed.
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Post by patxshand on Mar 13, 2010 14:04:26 GMT -5
Great list. Shadow Puppets, however, definitely takes place before "After the Fall." Brian Lynch considered the character development he gave Spike during "Shadow Puppets" while writing him in SPIKE and ANGEL "After the Fall." Also, Spoiler Wesley in "Shadow Puppets" doesn't make any sense if it happens after "After the Fall." Plus, Spike flashes to Wesley, Angel, and Illyria laughing at the news of his death. Post-After the Fall, Wes is dead and Spike wouldn't picture Wes coming back from the dead to laugh at him. Wes is wayyyy nicer than that
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Post by neowhobaz on Mar 13, 2010 15:04:43 GMT -5
Definetly one of the hardest to place when I made this.As far as the flash to wolfram and hart, I just wonder if that was meant to be taken as something happening or Spike imagining their reactions would be. Again though this one is really hard to place, I'll take suggestions you might have Pat.
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Post by patxshand on Apr 19, 2010 23:37:19 GMT -5
Yes, Spike was imagining what there reactions back at W&H would be... so if it were set post-AtF, why would he imagine them in that setting, you know?
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Post by neowhobaz on Apr 20, 2010 12:54:42 GMT -5
true. MY only rationalization when I first read it was that he was imagining the last time he saw them all alive in the same place since wesley would have been dead post ATF but even then it was a stretch.
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Post by neowhobaz on May 29, 2010 14:06:56 GMT -5
I just reread the Lorne issue and I feel uneasy with Where I have it in the list. ANyone have ne suggestions? It's post after the fall But Idk whether it takes place before Aftermath and the adding of James and Dez or after Aftermath.
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Post by neowhobaz on Aug 6, 2010 7:19:21 GMT -5
Moved the Devil you know as it's place between 32 and 33 was confirmed by Bill williams.
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Post by BlueJay on Aug 7, 2010 0:16:43 GMT -5
I personally put Spike: Asylum in between episodes 5x17 "Underneath" and 5x18 "Origins". Spike references Illyria which makes this story take place post 5x16 "Shells". Fred's death is a non-issue in this story so plotwise it makes sense to have Asylum take place a little while after Fred's death for proper grieving time. When I read it in that order, it makes a lot more sense to me. I figure with Fred recently gone and Gunn in "hell", I can picture Lorne booking some shows in Vegas to distract himself.
I also place Spike: Shadow Puppets right before 5x21 "Power Play" because there's a decent plot break between "Power Play" and 5x20 "The Girl in Question". A lot can happen in a few weeks. I can assume that Spike tried to do his own thing for a while, get his own temp apartment, make some enemies, etc. And that fiasco in Japan is probably something that he didn't want to share with the rest of the team, especially since Angel is suspected to be evil again. As for the Spoiler Wesley muppet, I just take it as a writing joke, nothing more.
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Post by neowhobaz on Aug 7, 2010 7:44:52 GMT -5
I agree with the asylum bit. I honestly had forgotten at the time I had put it where it is on the list that there had been a reference to Illyria.
As for shadow puppets, as most fans go i'm not too rigid as far as where stuff goes as long as its sorta cohesive and is believeable. My only issue with Shadow puppets was when it was written it had never meant to be a canon story or fit in a specific spot and because of that it's placement is hard. Though I agree alot could happen in a few weeks but since Spike's apartment in the show is used to the very last episode it's a stretch even for me to think he'd get a temp apartment while maintaining the other. But after thinking your perspective over for awhile i can honestly say I don't feel the spot I have shadow puppets in is right either because Spike thinks george is dead in shadow puppets from the events of asylum and if shadow puppets took place post aTF then his reaction to seeing george post ATf wouldnt be to think he was dead.
I'm gonna ponder it for awhile and see if something jumps out at me in the meanwhile lol.
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Post by jpgrb on Dec 2, 2010 17:32:03 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I'm new, my name is JpGrB and I have a question. First off, I'm so sorry if I break any "spoiler rules" here. (If I do, please let me know so I can not make the same mistake in the future.) Okay, so, I was browsing the other day and happened upon this page, and I must say, it looks amazing. The chronology obviously had a lot of work put into it. But, I noticed something, before it was released a few weeks ago, someone had put a special pre-read of Spike 02 (What Happens in Vegas Slays in Vegas) and I saw a mention of what seemed to be Harmony's show from the Season Eight comics. If that's the case then shouldn't the list be amended to include that Spike 02 seems to happen *after* certain Buffy comics? Just a thought/question. Thanks for the help and thanks for this amazing list.
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Post by neowhobaz on Dec 2, 2010 19:41:55 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I'm new, my name is JpGrB and I have a question. First off, I'm so sorry if I break any "spoiler rules" here. (If I do, please let me know so I can not make the same mistake in the future.) Okay, so, I was browsing the other day and happened upon this page, and I must say, it looks amazing. The chronology obviously had a lot of work put into it. But, I noticed something, before it was released a few weeks ago, someone had put a special pre-read of Spike 02 (What Happens in Vegas Slays in Vegas) and I saw a mention of what seemed to be Harmony's show from the Season Eight comics. If that's the case then shouldn't the list be amended to include that Spike 02 seems to happen *after* certain Buffy comics? Just a thought/question. Thanks for the help and thanks for this amazing list. thanks for the compliments I appreciate it =) as for the harmony thing I will def reopen my copy of Spike number 2 later to see any mention if harmony is made and if it is your to thank for it. My sense tho is that since IDW and DH dont really collaborate books (with certain exceptions) and Harmony hasnt been in any of Angel books so far. My guess would be if there was a reference it would be sort of just a friendly nod. Kinda like how in Spike 1 Brian mentioned the air sex from Buffy even tho Spikes book took place before it happened.
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Post by jpgrb on Dec 2, 2010 20:24:26 GMT -5
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure it doesn't exactly say her name, but I think it mentions something about a show about vampires, then someone mentions "that terrible reality show" in reference to pro-vamp stuff. Page.... 7... I think. As I said, I could be wrong though.
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Post by neowhobaz on Dec 2, 2010 21:45:02 GMT -5
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure it doesn't exactly say her name, but I think it mentions something about a show about vampires, then someone mentions "that terrible reality show" in reference to pro-vamp stuff. Page.... 7... I think. As I said, I could be wrong though. Well truth be told based on stuff from other people around the board and my own opinions all I can really say is that there are definetly some continuity errors in the Spike series. The series is set before season 8 because Angel isnt Twilight yet and spike hasnt assembled his bug crew of this we can be sure. But like I said before since the Spike book and Buffy book are put out by different companies the coordination isnt that good. I really wish it was clearer as you can see by the chronology I like my Buffy in as much order as possible lol. My hope is that as the Spike book continues it'll become clearer when specifically it takes place.
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