Post by Midnight Butterfly on Mar 14, 2009 15:14:48 GMT -5
I loved it. I think the episode showed that Joss had a bit more control (although he doesnt get all control until next). I think the storyline was actually good and the episode showed us that its not only personality that can be changed in the dolls but physical factors can also be changed.
Favorite part: Victor having a "man reaction" I FOUND THIS HILARIOUS TOO lol
I read the pilot script today and it had Joss printed all over it. I think this episode (ep5) was a bit more Whedonish than the previous episodes and therefore believe that the rest of the season starting next week (ep6) will be Whedonish just like the pilot was seing as Fox has given up. Personally I think its Foxs fault that the serious kicked off so badly. They should have gave whedon control from the start
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I really liked this episode. Eliza was amazing in it. The cult story wasn't my favorite so far but it was entertaining. Gotta love the "Man Reaction" that Victor was having. That's a definite Joss line right there.
I put that I liked it, but not loved it. I'm still waiting for a 100% love it episode.
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Post by Secret Scoobie on Apr 15, 2009 4:08:14 GMT -5
I enjoyed this episode. I really liked the 'true beliver' idea, of echo being a personality without a motive - and..camera's in her eyes instead haha
I loved Topher's dialogue...of course about Man-reactioning. Hehehe, and how uncomfortable he was with the shower footage.
So much corruptness in the organisations! The police guy that was as arse about Boyd and Echo, while also trying to indirectly kill them. And then the...oh god I forgo his name...Evil guy from the dollhouse! who smacked Echo/Esther in the head with a gun...man that guy needs a slap across the face.
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Post by wytchcroft on Aug 14, 2009 21:29:14 GMT -5
There are a lot of important things in this episode i think, not just in the character scenes (though seperately i love both Boyd and Topher in this ep) where we do learn quite a bit. But more than that;
The parallel betwen the cult, with Eliza's attempts to get them to 'see' and break out, and the dollhouse and Echo's dilemna there is really well done.
The cult itself with its weapons and its apocalyptic survivalist/seige mentality forshadows almost exactly what we learn of the Dollhouse in Briar Rose and Epitaph One. Again, Kudos.
Yep, i love how a story (like this ep) which on the surface is simple and well worn can actually be something quite different.
LOL! I do wish the lighting had been better though, it was bright bright bright and baaaad.
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The good; Pretty good story and some nice political campaigning from Adele. The start of Victor and Sierra's relationship is sweet and Topher's reaction to it hilarious. Also like the gag where Ballard asks Mellie to describe the guy who gave her the letter only for her to describe the mailman. Also love Echo/Esther hitting the cult leader with the candlestick.
The bad; Rather odd that Boyd uses his real name when dealing with the ATF?
Best line; Topher (on the phone, upon seeing Victor's 'man reaction' to naked Sierra) "I gotta go, somethings come up" also like Echo/Esther "God brought me here with a message. That message is MOVE YOUR ASS!"
Packing heat; Boyd/Dominic with an SMG. Oddly in an ep full of guns Echo never uses one Echo;3 Boyd; 6 Dominic; 4 Sierra; 1
Kinky dinky; Victor and Sierra, some impulses obviously stronger than brain wiping
Notches on the Dollhouse bedpost; Echo; 2
How'd they get away with that? Can't watch Echoes eye surgery, very Clockwork Orange. The cult leader has a penchant for underage girls.
This weeks fantasy; Echo is a blind religious zealot
Total number personalitites; Echo; 11 Sierra; 4 Victor; 1
Total dolls;3 Echo, Sierra and Victor
Addy is a bit British;
Topher is a bit geeky; Prefers the term 'man reaction' to errection.
Subverting the Hollywood cliche
Bondage; Sierra tied up; 1
Knocked out; Echo by Dominic
Kills; Sierra; 2 kills Echo; 1
Dolls injured; Echo roughed up and slapped around again
Know the face? 5 Whedon alumni-Mark Shepherd, Amy Acker, walking action figure, Eliza Dushku, Jim Piddock
Guantanamo; Big goverment kicking in the door and storming inside...to discover enough illegal weaponry to take Iwo Jima in the hands of those seeking the end of the world. Hard to know who's right or wrong?
Missing scenes; Very nice dinner scene on the deleted scenes, actually makes the cult members much more likeable.
Reminds me off;
Questions and observations; Hard to know what to make of the rights and wrongs of this ep, the ATF agent plays a dirty trick although ultimately he's proven to 100% right and avoids another Waco. The irony that the cult members have sacrificed their free will much more by choice than the Dolls have (or have they?). The difference is that the cultists pose a threat to the outside with their arsenal whilst the Dollhouse doesn't...yet? Dominic shows his dislike of Echo whilst the affection developing between her and Adele also becomes evident In many ways these eps remind me of early eps of Angel, that it was supposed to be an anthology show with the case of the week but eventually became more a story of Angel Investigations themselves with the cases as incidental. The problem is that with the Doll's wiped every week it's difficult for the characters to develop. Also whilst it's a slick series it lacks the humour and and joi de vive of Buffy and Angel (and even Firefly) it feels too sterile. Marks out of 10; 7/10, again, enjoyed this more in the rewatch than I thought I would