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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 5, 2009 12:42:34 GMT -5
My vote goes towards Vierra.
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Post by Iceeh★ on Apr 5, 2009 20:03:07 GMT -5
Yeah, Vierra actually sounds pretty cool! It reminds of Vienna which reminds me of Austria which reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger who reminds me of Terminator which reminds me of Sarah Connor Chronicles which reminds me of Dollhouse which reminds me of Victor and Sierra! See? It goes full circle!
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Post by Marcos on Apr 5, 2009 21:18:04 GMT -5
V+S? Marcos, what makes you think Dr. Saunders is a bitch? I think she had the Active's best interest at heart, trying to give them what they need, but still maintaining her role in the Dollhouse. Arguably, the Actives glitching only put them in danger of A) the Attic and B) becoming psychopathic. Was I upset when I found out she was the one that came up with the plan! Maybe it's just me, because I was really hoping that Claire would be the one to help end the Dollhouse. She always seemed like the only trust-worthy person in there, besides Boyd... But yeah, I gave it a little more thought, and I guess she probably did it to protect the actives... and maybe she did it 'cause she needs them in the field so they can help bring the dollhouse down... Gosh, I see Amy Acker's face and I have the urge to love the character LOL I guess there's a chance she's not a bitch after all...
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Post by Greer on Apr 6, 2009 18:42:07 GMT -5
So, I finally watched my DVR'd Episode 8.
I liked it. It was an interesting idea, that they got most of their personalities back, and they each had something that they had to settle. I had no idea that November's daughter was dead until she was about to walk into the graveyard. I thought Sierra's settlement was interesting, I want to know more about that a-hole that did those things to her. I thought Victor was so sweet when he took care of Sierra, and YAY! for them finally smooching. I <3 them. I liked how Echo was able to call Ballard, VERY interesting on my part.
Echo's "Oh my god!" to Amy Acker made me think "Oh god I wish she'd say it was Fred!" haha. I think that's a very original idea as to why the Actives were glitching.
Overall, one of my favorites so far.
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Post by Vail on Apr 7, 2009 20:52:58 GMT -5
I've seen it again today, and besides being such a great episode, it does give some weird feeling. Basically because of the Sierra background story. So there's my question: the glitch in which she is being raped (it's seen from the episode 7 retake at the beginning of this episode), is it me or the guy's hair is too dark for it to be her ex-handler? It does look like the guy they visit though. Could he be the one who raped her in the first place and she volunteered into the dollhouse or anything like that? Doubt so, but it bugs me nearly as much as the reveal of Dark Willow being the Mad Woman in TOYL. Was that off-topic?
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Post by beto on Apr 7, 2009 21:24:14 GMT -5
Vail,
I suppose the ex-handler made her glitch *because* she had been abused prior to getting into the dollhouse. In her fragile mind, the two experiences blended into one, I think. (*)
From what I understood, the guy she confronted with Victor "jumped through a lot of hoops" to get her into the dollhouse, so I assume she's been taken in against her will (or was put in a position where she didn't have a choice). To make things worse, the guy also looked like a "regular client".
Poor girl...
(*) Quick Edit: not to say that the experience itself wouldn't be traumatic for anyone (specially during the tabula rasa). But, I think, had the handler choosen a different doll, one who hadn't been forced before, it would be much more difficult for the others to find out... It might be why Echo has been 'glitching' more frequently: Caroline is an activist, a freedom fighter, so she is constantly fighting the blank slate state, because it stands against everything she believes in.
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Post by rmw on Apr 8, 2009 22:34:20 GMT -5
I really loved the episode...until the end, when none of it seemed to matter. My husband thought it was like giving us all a big middle finger, but it WAS a good episode.
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Post by weredog on Apr 9, 2009 22:19:31 GMT -5
I really wish people wouldn't see the episode's twist as a middle finger to the viewers. There is a lot that is said about these five Actives (or four, really, 'cause what's a Mike?) First, we know that their former personalities are resurfacing. Why? Well, that's one of the premises of the season, if not the series. We, the viewers, don't know just as how Adelle and the others don't know. However, we do know that these particular Actives' personalities are not erasable, despite Dr. Saunders claim that if they let the tide roll in, they can wash it out. Which also bring the question as to whether she honestly believed that was so, or was it simply an argument to convince the others to allow the Actives to resurface temporarily without being sent to The Attic. Furthermore, I think Victor is the most interesting case. He did not need to resolve an issue from his former self -- his was a present need. Do any other Actives have unfulfilled needs in their wiped-state?
I find it's hard to explain myself as to why I think this episode is beautiful. Perhaps I'll be able to better explain myself once the rest of the episodes air. Regardless, I think this episode was the best so far. I can only hope it remains this great or beyond, dare I say it.
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Post by Marcos on Apr 10, 2009 8:28:49 GMT -5
It is an amazing episode. It didn't feel like a middle finger at all. Well, I confess that at first I hoped that this ep would be a major twist, but it wouldn't really make sense if the actives woke up and that's it. Sounds more like a series finale or season finale cliffhanger, not something in the middle of season 1... About it being, for some, the best episode yet, well, Man on the Street is really hard to beat imo. It delivered everything. Emotion, philosophy (ambiguity), action, thrills, twists, some comedy and top notch dialogues. It's full-packed Whedonism
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Post by Nicholas on Apr 10, 2009 13:17:25 GMT -5
I think this episode was pretty good. I am interested in seeing more of Sierra's backstory, seeing how we get very little at all. Mellie's scene in the graveyard was so depressing!
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Post by weredog on Apr 13, 2009 12:16:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Mellie's graveyard scene was sad. I can see how some people saw that coming. I didn't (and was therefore surprised), but when she came across the stroller, I did speculate that she had an awful miscarriage as she neared the end of the pregnancy and that that was why she approached the Dollhouse. Glad that I was wrong. When she crossed over the lawn and stepped into a graveyard, I was like "Oh, no, this can't be good."
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Post by Vail on Apr 13, 2009 14:05:37 GMT -5
Thanks berto!!
Yep, it makes sense if that experience is what triggers Sierra's self-awareness, the same way Sierra's ex-handler death probably made November remember her daughter's death.
I want to find out under which circumstances that Noland or whatever son-of-a guy put "Sierra"/Priya in the Dollhouse. It doesn't too obvious or normal for Adelle to simply be ok with that. I mean, she's clearly aware that Sierra was there against her will, but at the same time she believes in the Dollhouse mission and good services - mainly giving people the fantasy they want/need through other people who volunteer to have their unbearable memories wiped out because sth terrible's happened. The only logical explanation to Sierra's case is that either Noland is really connected to the High Sphere of the Dollhouse (above Adelle) or that he made her so miserable she ended up volunteering to forget him and everything he might have done to her. Anyways, Priya's story seems by far the most heartbreaking and harsh. LET THERE BE SEASON 2!!!! I need my answers...
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Post by toml on Apr 20, 2009 17:17:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know where I can download "Lonely Ghosts"?
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Post by Emmie on Apr 20, 2009 17:45:01 GMT -5
Does anyone know where I can download "Lonely Ghosts"? Sorry but it's against the rules here to discuss downloading episodes as that's illegal activity. The legal ways to view episodes is through Hulu, Fox.com and Itunes.
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Post by toml on Apr 20, 2009 18:25:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know where I can download "Lonely Ghosts"? Sorry but it's against the rules here to discuss downloading episodes as that's illegal activity. The legal ways to view episodes is through Hulu, Fox.com and Itunes. I meant the song, not the episode.
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Post by Emmie on Apr 20, 2009 18:45:11 GMT -5
Sorry then, saw download and pounced a bit. But it's easy enough to just google the song in order to find it legally. The mp3 of "Lonely Ghosts" is on Amazon, for one example.
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Post by toml on Apr 20, 2009 18:58:06 GMT -5
Sorry then, saw download and pounced a bit. But it's easy enough to just google the song in order to find it legally. The mp3 of "Lonely Ghosts" is on Amazon, for one example. Thanks! ;D
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Post by Midnight Butterfly on May 18, 2009 10:56:22 GMT -5
Well how interesting, I've just watched this episode, gotta say loving the idea of them beginning almost again with their needs and wants. The idea to find closure is so true to all humans as well, otherwise we're haunted. It makes sence that an unconcious problem could disrupt their mentality. Elizia did well in the episode i feel. And enjoyed Sierra and Victor's character more this episode, probably because they are just that bit more human than when their imprinted, the loss, the confusion, the love, the need to justify it all. Although not so-loving on the idea that now they've got closure they're blank again... kinda full circle back to the beginning all except for Caroline's specail message!! This series is so interesting, and unlike anything I've seen before. Your catching up quite quick lol... thanks to me ;D (sorry just had to brag about it ) I agree its very interesting and all I can say is that the best is yet to come ;D
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Post by joxerlives on Apr 12, 2010 5:24:16 GMT -5
NEEDS The good; Excellent scenes with the actives planning their escape in true The Prisoner style. Very gratifying to watch Victor beat the stuffing out of the guy abusing Sierra. The bad; Seems all very reckless of Adele, Victor throttles one handler and beats up Sierra's client. Echo beats the crap out of another handler before raiding the armoury and threatening everyone with a gun. Perhaps Topher put in blocks to prevent them killing anyone but given how the wipes haven't been working lately this still seems very risky. Best line; Dr Saunders; "Let the tide wash in" Packing heat; Echo with a glock. The Dollhouse has it's own armoury in the handlers room with Glocks, M16 carbines and H&K MP5s. Echo;5 Boyd; 6 Dominic; 6 Sierra; 3 Victor; 2 Echo kissage; By request this new topic will be included. Kinky dinky; Mike suggests that they've been kidnapped to have sex with aliens, an idea that Mellie is understandably not too keen on (presumably she's seen Alien vs Predator; Requiem or Taboo Comics/Monsters and Angels-internet GOT-fic?). But she's quite ok with the thought of showering naked with both boys and girls unlike Sierra who's more hesitant. Notches on the Dollhouse bedpost; Echo; 3 November; 1 Ballard; 1 How'd they get away with that? Dead Echo is plenty frightening! Check out Eliza as undead Bonnie and Clyde here trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=107239Victor is also pretty hardcore throttling the handler but that suits his soldier mentality. Echo beating up Sophie is also pretty savage. This weeks fantasy; 1 each for everyone, their own personalities but without the memories. Echo is still the moral crusader we see in Echoes. Victor the level headed military man, November the maternal free spirit, Sierra kinda prickly and damaged. Total number personalitites; Echo; 15 Sierra; 6 Victor; 3 November; 2 Total dolls; 6, we meet 2 more, a blonde girl called Tango (who I think we've seen before as a background player?) and Mike who seems to be a conspiracy theorist and finds himself in the ultimate conspiracy. We also meet handler Sophie who like Topher's assistant Ivy will become a recurring minor character. We see another active in military garb (maybe filling in for Victor?) but we don't get a name. Echo, Sierra, November, Victor, Mike, Tango Addy is a bit British; Topher is a bit geeky; Astonishingly he's afraid of the dark Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Bondage; Sierra tied up; 1 Knocked out; everyone passes out once they've achieved their closure Echo; 2 November; 1 Sierra; 1 Victor; 1 Kills; Sierra; 2 kills Echo; 1 November;1 Dolls injured; Capt subtext; Ballard's dream suggests he has a sexual attraction towards Caroline at the expense of Mellie. Victor is appalled by the Village People-style leather chaps he appears to have in his wardrobe (Rid'em Cowboy?). Echo eyes Tango's legs in her stockings and suspenders. Tango closely resembles Liza Minelli's character in Cabaret. Is she off to a hetero client who wants to have sex with her or to a gay guy who wants to sing 'Money makes the world go round' with her as Buffy star Joel Gray (Doc from season 5) did in that movie. Boyd says he would have liked to have seen Echo leading everyone to freedom, he subconsciously wants to free everyone? Happy hookers Echo refers to the Dollhouse 'Pimping them out' Know the face? 5 Whedon alumni-Mark Shepherd, Amy Acker, walking action figure, Eliza Dushku, Jim Piddock Guantanamo; Dominic suggests that the handlers think of the Actives as pets instead of children? Mike thinks they're goverment prisoners. Fanfic; Missing scenes; Reminds me off; The Buffy ep Tabula Rusa (a phrase used in this show), the characters all have their personalities and are trapped somewhere but don't have their conscious memories Breaking the programming; They all do so Adele allows them all to partially achieve their secret desires under controlled circumstances. Questions and observations; Victor very much the military man and does it very convincingly. November has a daughter called Kate who died, did she kill her? Even unprogrammed Caroline is pretty tasty in her fight with Sophie, maybe she retains some of her fighting skills from her imprints? Sierra's loathsome returning client (who appears to have forced her into the Dollhouse in the first place?) calls her Maria but is that her real name or the name of the personality he hires? Is he the guy who gave her the cut on her face in Echo? Victor's love for Sierra seems to be able to overcome even his mindwipe. Presumably Mike didn't really have an awakening, he's the control entered by Topher to convince the others they have to make their escape quickly. Marks out of 10; 8/10
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