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Post by wenxina on Sept 15, 2009 17:16:51 GMT -5
1) Oz's unsurprised reaction to the submarine materializing in his front lawn. Oz wasn't surprised by the whole invasion of the supernatural into his life... doubt a submarine plonking down in the Himalayas will faze him too much. Sure, it's strange, but compared to learning that you're a werewolf, and that the itty-bitty blond is a mystical warrior called the Slayer? 2) The panel in #27 where Bay is shown with a sunburst background and Oz with a dark background... Georges Jeanty confimed this was deliberate and "subliminal." The transition from sun to dark is twilight. I don't think Oz or Bay is Twilight, but there could be a connection. The subliminal message could also be that Oz was in a very dark place in his life, and that Bay was the light that guided him out of it. 4) The fact that Bay can still transform at will into a werewolf, even though she has supposedly suppressed her nature. It's not so much suppression as letting the beast flow through you. The idea is that you can still transform, but not lose control. Monroe was clearly still talking, even in wolf form. Oz and Bay had chosen not to transform, but even when Bay transformed, she was still very much aware of her actions, which is very different from the blackout state that Oz used to wake up from. Werewolves are different from Slayers in that their magical nature is twofold: a physical manifestation of the beast within, and a mental/psychological one where the human loses control. 5) The fact that the Slayers and Wiccans lost their powers so much more quickly than Oz and Bay said they would. I don't think it's been firmly established how long they've been there. The entire submarine has been buried. Even with superstrength and girls working around the clock, it would probably take a bit to dig a hole big enough to stick a sub in. Willow wasn't willing to let go of the magic before, but after she went deliriously high for a bit, the promise of a new life allowed her to let it go. That said, it doesn't seem that long, since as Willow points out bluntly, they did say it would take months. Considering this probably happened the morning after the end of #28, and considering how juiced up Willow is, it does seem alarmingly fast that she drained. So perhaps the baby is a tap... Also, Bay's response is kinda interesting... if it will take a while to re-channel the magic, how on earth did she get it back in a second? So I guess that lends credibility to your previous point. And why is nobody making any move to get Bay and the baby out of there to someplace safe? The place is going to become a war zone at any moment. This seems like the morning after the ending of #28. There probably hasn't been enough time yet. And at this point, without magic, it's not like they can just magically whisk baby and mom away to safety. Sure, a jeep may work, but that's assuming that there's one hanging about. Also, it's called drama, and being caught in the fray. Plus... right now, the ones who should be the most concerned about the safety of Bay and the baby are Oz and Bay, and neither seem to be very fazed by the turn of events. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 15, 2009 19:59:25 GMT -5
Oz wasn't surprised by the whole invasion of the supernatural into his life... doubt a submarine plonking down in the Himalayas will faze him too much. Sure, it's strange, but compared to learning that you're a werewolf, and that the itty-bitty blond is a mystical warrior called the Slayer? I assumed it was just Jane's way of introducing Oz to the story with his most well-known trait... his laconic unflappability (is that a word? it is now.) The subliminal message could also be that Oz was in a very dark place in his life, and that Bay was the light that guided him out of it. That's also what I thought, and that may be all there is to it. Georges indicated it was his idea, and he probably wouldn't plant substantive story clues without getting the OK from the Jane and Joss and Scott. Still, it is a pretty striking coincidence. It's not so much suppression as letting the beast flow through you. The idea is that you can still transform, but not lose control. Monroe was clearly still talking, even in wolf form. Oz and Bay had chosen not to transform, but even when Bay transformed, she was still very much aware of her actions, which is very different from the blackout state that Oz used to wake up from. Werewolves are different from Slayers in that their magical nature is twofold: a physical manifestation of the beast within, and a mental/psychological one where the human loses control. By the same token, though, the Slayers should be able to let their own power flow through them, and call upon it when needed like Bay can. She obviously didn't let her werewolf nature "flow into the ground." "You can't just get it back on a whim. Except for me. I can." Maybe it just requires more training to go from "suppression" to "control." Honestly, though, how could anybody have mistaken this whole thing for a good idea? Willow's "We agreed to be made weak" is the antithesis of Buffy's "Are you ready to be strong?" There's a reason they're called Slayers, not Hiders. I don't think it's been firmly established how long they've been there. The entire submarine has been buried. Even with superstrength and girls working around the clock, it would probably take a bit to dig a hole big enough to stick a sub in. Willow wasn't willing to let go of the magic before, but after she went deliriously high for a bit, the promise of a new life allowed her to let it go. That said, it doesn't seem that long, since as Willow points out bluntly, they did say it would take months. Considering this probably happened the morning after the end of #28, and considering how juiced up Willow is, it does seem alarmingly fast that she drained. So perhaps the baby is a tap... Also, Bay's response is kinda interesting... if it will take a while to re-channel the magic, how on earth did she get it back in a second? So I guess that lends credibility to your previous point. Bay gets her werewolf mojo back instantly when she really needs it. Maybe the same will apply to the Slayers. That, or unexpected outside help, is really their only chance at survival. And why is nobody making any move to get Bay and the baby out of there to someplace safe? The place is going to become a war zone at any moment. This seems like the morning after the ending of #28. There probably hasn't been enough time yet. And at this point, without magic, it's not like they can just magically whisk baby and mom away to safety. Sure, a jeep may work, but that's assuming that there's one hanging about. Also, it's called drama, and being caught in the fray. Plus... right now, the ones who should be the most concerned about the safety of Bay and the baby are Oz and Bay, and neither seem to be very fazed by the turn of events. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. They wouldn't have to go that far... just away from the site of battle. The Slayers have been trading those submarine parts to someone... someone close enough to civilization to have access to black market weapons... so I assume they can get into a town fairly easily. Considering Twilight and his goons might show up at any given second, I'd think right now would be a good time to get out. Unless they have some specific reason to stay, of course. I find it hard to seriously believe that Oz could betray them so smoothly... even if he was forced to do so (someone threatening his son, for example) he couldn't possibly be so cool and easygoing about it. But Bay... I don't really know Bay. I wonder if Oz really does.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 15, 2009 20:20:01 GMT -5
I assumed it was just Jane's way of introducing Oz to the story with his most well-known trait... his laconic unflappability (is that a word? it is now.) Well, we're on the same page then.
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Post by Rebecca on Sept 15, 2009 20:50:50 GMT -5
glad that's settled :wink:
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Post by The Night Lord on Sept 16, 2009 4:19:00 GMT -5
Interesting preview. I just got #28 today and I'm interested to see what happens in #29
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 16, 2009 13:51:57 GMT -5
No no no! I'm totally with Willow on this one. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The scoobies are making a big mistake supressing their power. If I was one of them, I'd be protesting worse than Willow. I agree. Twilight will find them whether they have magic or not. This way, without the magics, they'll die a whole lost easier than before.
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Sept 16, 2009 16:40:47 GMT -5
I've been a big fan of this "retreat" arc. A really, really, really big fan of it. I love the concept, and the stories that have taken place during, especially the Andrew episode! I think, which I hope you guys are all agreeing, lol, that the Scoobies are way out of their game. The way I see it was that they wanted to surpress magic, so that Twilight couldn't find them. Now that he's on his way, they're preparing to start a war they're not fit to fight. I think someone dies this issue, I'M HOPING ITS BAY, lol, just kidding, but I don't like her. She seems evil...
On this preview, I have to say, its great to see Georges Jeanty back! Yes, I know, he's been here for ages, but what those previews showed me was the great art he pulled off back in the first three volumes of BTVS s8.
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Post by SlayerLV on Sept 17, 2009 0:06:12 GMT -5
Faith's likeness isn't really good in the preview.
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Sept 17, 2009 17:13:59 GMT -5
Faith's likeness isn't really good in the preview. I think that was intentional. In comics, the people furthest away from the front of the panel are sort of not as detailed. Sometimes they can even just have dots for eyes. But yeah, pretty much what I'm trying to say is its a deliberate thing. XD
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Post by Smashed on Sept 17, 2009 20:05:26 GMT -5
Wow, Jeanty's art looks kind of like Cliff Richards in a few panels! I like!
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Post by richie on Sept 18, 2009 11:24:42 GMT -5
this comic looks like gonna be like the preparations for the battle... and them in the last 2 panel someone major dies and the next issue, will be the rage of buffy...
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 21, 2009 15:38:30 GMT -5
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Post by wenxina on Sept 21, 2009 17:37:14 GMT -5
Got me all excited for a moment... then realized that we already had an extensive preview...
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 22, 2009 16:08:25 GMT -5
So, does anyone think Buffy's idea regarding Andrew might have something to do with his long-forgotten ability to summon and control demons?
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Post by hitnrun017 on Sept 22, 2009 16:17:43 GMT -5
So, does anyone think Buffy's idea regarding Andrew might have something to do with his long-forgotten ability to summon and control demons? Interesting thought. Aren't all demons "wired" to attack them though? I doubt just Andrew can overcome that. Maybe he summons those Tibetan God thingys. It is interesting thinking why Buffy would need Andrew for her plan. There isn't much he does besides, like you said, summon demons. Maybe some sort of D&D strategy thing.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 22, 2009 16:29:14 GMT -5
Interesting thought. Aren't all demons "wired" to attack them though? I think only the local ones in Scotland were mentioned as being wired to attack them. (If Twilight has the ability to control all demons everywhere, he'd just order them to kill themselves, I'd think. Unless of course he'd really rather control them than destroy them, as he claims.)
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Post by wenxina on Sept 22, 2009 16:42:41 GMT -5
Well, they were sniffing out Slayers in Berlin too... so perhaps his reach is a little longer than just Scotland.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 22, 2009 16:44:59 GMT -5
Well, they were sniffing out Slayers in Berlin too... so perhaps his reach is a little longer than just Scotland. I'm sure he has far-reaching influence... but it can't be 100% or his battle would already be won.
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Post by slayeress on Sept 25, 2009 16:24:22 GMT -5
Arg, the suspense is killing me! Must be patient though for 29 to come out!!!
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Post by wenxina on Oct 3, 2009 21:27:43 GMT -5
Finalized cover images are now up at Dark Horse. Click on the bold text to be linked to Carnevale's or Jeanty's covers. And to further tease you, Jeanty claimed that the shite is about to hit the fan and that things will get really intense, starting now. Paraphrasing of course.
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