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Post by BlueJay on Sept 5, 2009 21:54:03 GMT -5
Is the solution money?
The way I see it, they could make the comic biweekly if they had the money.
For instance, let's use Wolves at the Gate and Time of Your Life for an example.
Because Season Eight is mostly already laid out by Joss, I don't see why Drew Goddard and Joss couldn't write their arcs simultaneously, and then have the two different artists work on the interior artwork at the same time. Also, these should be done a couple of months in advance before the planned release. So by the time Wolves at the Gate hits stands, Retreat is already in production. And they could use two artists to work on the series, just switch them off every other arc. Also, writers wouldn't be a problem either because the series interchanges them regardless. It's totally possible to do this, so I don't know why it can't happen biweekly. So is it money? Or is there a whole other factor I'm missing?
If I were a multimillionaire, I'd totally pay for artist/writer salaries to get the comics out faster. XD
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 5, 2009 22:05:41 GMT -5
As much as we all complain about the wait between issues (me included), I think it actually works out OK. We get lots of time to analyze and discuss everything to death, having our Q&A's and waiting for our preview pages.
Plus, I'd be sad if it came to an end too quickly and I didn't have my monthly Buffy fix.
I do live in fear of dying sometime in the next year, before I see the end of the story. (If I do, would you guys PLEASE get a ouija board and tell me what happens?)
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 5, 2009 22:08:39 GMT -5
As much as we all complain about the wait between issues (me included), I think it actually works out OK. We get lots of time to analyze and discuss everything to death, having our Q&A's and waiting for our preview pages. Plus, I'd be sad if it came to an end too quickly and I didn't have my monthly Buffy fix. I do live in fear of dying sometime in the next year, before I see the end of the story. (If I do, would you guys PLEASE get a ouija board and tell me what happens?) You'd always have your monthly Buffy fix - it would just be twice a month! And there would also be Season Nine afterwards. Why do you think you'll die next year? |
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Post by wenxina on Sept 5, 2009 22:17:04 GMT -5
So is it money? Or is there a whole other factor I'm missing? Yeah, it's called quality control. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Sept 5, 2009 22:20:46 GMT -5
Why do you think you'll die next year? I'm a redshirt. Joss was going to kill me off in "Wolves at the Gate" but he decided to whack Renee instead. (I still feel guilty about that.) |
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Sept 5, 2009 22:49:48 GMT -5
So is it money? Or is there a whole other factor I'm missing? Yeah, it's called quality control. Pretty much this. I'd rather have Georges doing his very best work once a month then doing shoddy work two times a month. There ARE artists that can do fantastic work in like two seconds (Gabriel Fa and Fabio Moon come instantly to mind) but they are few and far between. |
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Post by wenxina on Sept 5, 2009 22:58:06 GMT -5
Note, however that the Wonder Twins don't do likenesses, and should they attempt to pass their style over likenesses, there will be plenty of fans who would throw a hissy fit. Georges already gets a lot of crap (undeservedly so, IMO) from likeness zealots.
As for having multiple artists working on something... I'll direct your attention to a little thing called Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men. Because the main penciller (Frank Quitely) is notoriously slow, Marvel decided to have a whole bunch of fill-in artists. Not the greatest idea, as the entire run lacks stylistic integrity. In fact, while the writing was solid in a lot of places, the constantly changing artwork was way too jarring. Add the fact that some of the fill-ins were completely ill-suited for that genre of work, and all you have is a giant mess.
I get that all Jay is saying is have 2 artists and rotate them, but the stylistic integrity argument stands. As it is, I would have been happier if all the issues were pencilled by Georges, but I understand having Moline back in "ToYL" since he was the co-creator of Fray. Other than that... don't like the fill-ins at all, and I'm glad that they were minimal and far in between.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Sept 5, 2009 23:03:51 GMT -5
Also true. I've never thought badly of Georges for his work - he's got a massive undertaking. I did get and read Fray today, though, and now I see how complete sense it makes to have Karl Moline doing the Time of Your Life arc. That man truly brought Fray to life for me.  (The Wonder Twins are still amazing though.  They can avoid likenesses for the rest of their lives and I wouldn't even care.) |
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Post by Wyndam on Sept 5, 2009 23:56:34 GMT -5
Once a month is perfectly fine. Anything faster would result in rushed scripts and rushed art. No thanks!
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 6, 2009 9:57:21 GMT -5
Merr...
Then I would fund an animated series or movie.
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Post by Paul on Sept 6, 2009 11:55:26 GMT -5
Most comics come out monthly, it's no big deal. Just be grately S8 isn't delayed like Fray and Astonishing X-Men; Joss is notorious for dragging his heels. I don't even think the monthly wait is that bad, don't you follow any other series you can enjoy in the meantime? One thing I might change though is the pacing. Joss is also notorious for his decompressed writing style; some of his X-Men arcs are painfully dragged out, even without the delays. Six issues of the X-Men fighting the Danger Room, really? Season Eight is better, and I know delayed gratification is a good thing, but some sub-plots have gone stale. Warren was resurrected in mid-2007 and has done nothing since. Twilight's secret identity is becoming more of an annoyance than a mystery. It won't matter so much for the people who read the TPBs together, but hard to sustain interest for literally years without getting a little bored. As for having multiple artists working on something... I'll direct your attention to a little thing called Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men. Because the main penciller (Frank Quitely) is notoriously slow, Marvel decided to have a whole bunch of fill-in artists. Not the greatest idea, as the entire run lacks stylistic integrity. In fact, while the writing was solid in a lot of places, the constantly changing artwork was way too jarring. Add the fact that some of the fill-ins were completely ill-suited for that genre of work, and all you have is a giant mess. Great example, I find it really difficult to enjoy the Morrison run, even know I know it's good writing, because the artwork is so inconsistant. Igor Kordey's "art" was particularly harsh on the eyes. I wouldn't have minded Phil Jimenez doing fill-in work during certain story arcs, but the whole thing is a disorganised mess as you say. I think X-Force (best current X-book!) does a great job of alternating two styles that work well together; that book has a consistant visual identity (dark realism) despite the two different artists. I think After the Fall is another example of a book that was destroyed by multiple artists. I could have accepted a fill-in to allow Urru to draw Spike: AtF (allowing the Spike trilogy to be consistant) but Runge's rushed, messy pencils and the bland inking just ruined my enjoyment of the book. More bad organisation. |
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 6, 2009 12:07:49 GMT -5
I think it could have worked if they had Georges, Paul Lee, and Cliff Richards be the main artists and alternate them every arc so that it flows better. I'm just saying, it's possible to to get it out faster and still come out with an excellent result. I still can't fathom why it's slower than the TV medium....*sigh*...maybe I'm just not getting it.
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Post by wenxina on Sept 6, 2009 14:00:37 GMT -5
It takes longer because it's not just a matter of filming and editing. It goes from an approved script, to the penciller, and once the pencils are approved, it has to go to the inker, then to the colorist and letterer. And at each step, the editor probably has to inspect the product. Just adjust to the medium. A monthly release schedule is typical of many comics, just as a weekly new episode is the norm for TV shows. To ask for the norm to be switched just bause you're impatient is like questioning why the entire season wasn't just filmed as a miniseries and released in longer cuts of 4 eps, rather than 22-weeks of hour long episodes. Paul: I really loved Quitely's work (I heard that his work on the new Batman is amazing too) in Morrison's run, and I think the only fill-in that approximated his style was Francis Leinil Yu (sp?). Kordey's work was just really wrong for the genre. That one full-page panel he drew of Emma Frost sitting on a chair with a leg up was gruesome to look at. But I'm glad that someone else got the reference. |
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 6, 2009 14:06:16 GMT -5
..But....Buffy isn't a normal comic book.
It's SPECIAL dammit. *sigh* Well if it takes a month, then so be it.
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Post by Paul on Sept 6, 2009 14:53:51 GMT -5
Paul: I really loved Quitely's work (I heard that his work on the new Batman is amazing too) in Morrison's run, and I think the only fill-in that approximated his style was Francis Leinil Yu (sp?). Kordey's work was just really wrong for the genre. That one full-page panel he drew of Emma Frost sitting on a chair with a leg up was gruesome to look at. But I'm glad that someone else got the reference. I love Quitely's work as well, he's one of my favourite artists. His style is so bizarre and alien, it's perfect for a book about mutant freaks. However, I understand that he's a slow artist and that has to be taken into consideration. In a perfect world, I think Morrison's X-Men run should have gone as follows: 1. E is for Extinction - Quitely 2. Imperial - Quitely 3. New Worlds - Jimenez 4. Riot at Xaviers - Quitely 5. Assault on Weapon Plus - Jimenez 6. Planet X - Quitely 7. Here Comes Tomorrow - Jimenez That would have been a great schedule IMO. Instead, Quitely only drew a few issues here and there, which totally robbed the series of any artistic personality. I don't recall Leinil Yu drawing any of that run? I can take him or leave him. He's alright, but his work can be a little "busy" sometimes. Lol, I know exactly what Kordey panel you're talking about and you're right, it is repulsive. I just flat out hated his work. |
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Post by nagpo on Sept 6, 2009 22:48:31 GMT -5
Yeah, it's called quality control. Pretty much this. I'd rather have Georges doing his very best work once a month then doing shoddy work two times a month. There ARE artists that can do fantastic work in like two seconds (Gabriel Fa and Fabio Moon come instantly to mind) but they are few and far between. People actually like his artwork? Quality? I don't know what you're talking about. |
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Post by wenxina on Sept 6, 2009 23:09:18 GMT -5
And I must say that I find your opinion baffling too.
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Post by hedgehogvampire on Sept 7, 2009 7:39:46 GMT -5
I think once a month is fine but I could be just used to a month long wait.
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Post by Joe on Sept 7, 2009 8:29:13 GMT -5
..But....Buffy isn't a normal comic book. It's SPECIAL dammit. *sigh* Well if it takes a month, then so be it. Everyone can call their favorite comic, "special". Lol. Let's settle at them all being special and monthly. |
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 7, 2009 8:45:08 GMT -5
..But....Buffy isn't a normal comic book. It's SPECIAL dammit. *sigh* Well if it takes a month, then so be it. Everyone can call their favorite comic, "special". Lol. Let's settle at them all being special and monthly. Buffy IS special. It's not like other comics. |
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