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Post by Nixennacht on Dec 26, 2009 8:15:22 GMT -5
So far Jeanty hasn't cofirmed that he'll do season 9 and me personally I'd love to see a new artist play with Buffy. There are several great artists out there, who'd fit Season 8 perfectly and would help giving it a more extraordinary look. A great pick would imho be Pia Guerra, who did Y- The last man, she even has some pages for Buffy and Angel on her homepage: Another author I love and who's great at drawing women in action is David Mack, he does mostly cover art these days, but his interior art is equally spectacular. No Buffy pages, but some from his own series Kabuki: So this would be two of my favorites. Who would ben your dream team for Buffy S9?
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Post by diabeticdude202 on Dec 26, 2009 9:07:39 GMT -5
Georges Jeanty, hands down. XD
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Post by Paul on Dec 26, 2009 10:58:01 GMT -5
While I'm in no rush to get rid of Jeanty, I agree that Pia Guerra would be a brilliant artist for Buffy, as those beautiful pages show. She has the same clean, simple quality that Jeanty has, so it would be a smooth transition. With the right colourist, those pages would be perfect. One of my favourite artists over at Marvel is Stuart Immonen. I reckon he's too A-list for Buffy, but I can dream. He's very stylised and cartoony, so most fans would probably hate him, but maybe for a one-shot or something. I'd love to see his interpretation of the Buffyverse. Even though I'm not a big fan of his, John Cassaday could be fun for a one-shot, just to reunite the old Astonishing team.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 26, 2009 12:38:55 GMT -5
Jo Chen. She's shown that she can do both realistic art and comedial/comedy art (like the Xander from the Season 8 online comic "Always darkest").
I think it'd be cool to see Stephen Mooney do some work on Season 9 as well, but not as the main artist.
I guess my wishlist goes:
Jo Chen Georges Jeanty Pia Guerra Stephen Mooney Cliff Richards
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 26, 2009 13:19:11 GMT -5
I would love to see Amanda Conner do a run on Buffy.
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Post by The Girl In Question on Dec 26, 2009 15:49:17 GMT -5
I'd like George Jeanty to do the interior (but a return of Karl Moline from time to time)...I have to think about who I'd like to see do the covers though...hm....
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Post by Nixennacht on Dec 26, 2009 15:59:38 GMT -5
Stuart Immonen looks like fun, he would be perfect for a one shot. Amanda Connor, nya...Buffy with tits like powergirls would be pretty much , but I guess she draws what she's paid for and her overall style is neat though very mainstream. I think for the covers Chen is pretty much not to beat, though Mack could give her a run for her money.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 26, 2009 21:53:47 GMT -5
Amanda Connor, nya...Buffy with tits like powergirls would be pretty much , but I guess she draws what she's paid for and her overall style is neat though very mainstream. She draws Power Girl with big breasts because Power Girl has big breasts. I just really like her style and the personality she gives to her characters. I think she'd be an excellent fit for the story style Joss has been going with in season 8.
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Post by Nixennacht on Dec 27, 2009 6:15:17 GMT -5
I think she has an excellent hand for action sequences, so that would be plus, but I'm afraid I've never seen her draw women that are not artificially oversexed.
You're right of course in that that comes with the territory of drawing Powergirl, Vampirella and Painkiller Jane (though here I thought it could have been avoided). Do you have any examples, where she draws women that have a look like Buffy or Willow?
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 27, 2009 14:55:51 GMT -5
You're right of course in that that comes with the territory of drawing Powergirl, Vampirella and Painkiller Jane (though here I thought it could have been avoided). Do you have any examples, where she draws women that have a look like Buffy or Willow? In terms of lead characters? No. She draws mostly superheroines, and that's the way they tend to be drawn. The supporting characters she draws aren't all like that, of course. Joss doesn't allow his artists to draw his characters with bigger attributes than they're supposed to have, and I'm sure Amanda Conner is a good enough artist to draw characters on model. Any comic artist can draw a big rack. Her skills lie in facial expressiveness and personality.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 27, 2009 15:24:05 GMT -5
Joss doesn't allow his artists to draw his characters with bigger attributes than they're supposed to have. Uhm *looking at the forum-banner and a few other season 8 covers* I'm not a hundred per cent sure about that. Of course, I haven't compared the covers to screencaps, and they're not ridiculously big and I think othr likeness issues are more important, but they're a bit too much.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 27, 2009 15:27:28 GMT -5
Yeah, Chen has slipped up recently in making the women on the covers too well-endowed, but Joss signed on Chen and Jeanty both with the express directive that they not draw TNA. How funny is it that it's the female artist who is drawing more TNA than the male artist? Heh.
That's one strike against Chen imo (there aren't many strikes, granted) - I really hate the perfect depictions of bodies she goes for (looking at the forum banner at the top of the page - Willow now has a rack that a porn star would envy = disappointing). I'm wondering what a cover of a naked male character would look like if drawn by her... Something along the lines of over-done perfection, I imagine.
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Post by alex_krycek on Dec 27, 2009 15:37:32 GMT -5
Must say that I'm impressed by the Pia Guerra pages of Buffy and Angel. And John Cassidy for a one-shot here and there would be cool too. I loved the Astonishing X-Men!
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Dec 27, 2009 15:46:11 GMT -5
I am a big Stephen Mooney fan, and it would rock if we got Pia Guerra and the same with Jo Chen and Georges Jeanty for season 9.
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Post by patxshand on Dec 27, 2009 16:38:54 GMT -5
Mooney's darker pencils are perfect for Angel, though. I think that title suits him way, way better.
As far as Buffy: Season Nine, I think we definitely need to steer clear of Jeanty. He had a good run, but he just seems to be getting lazy with a lot of the art. Karl Moline, though, is amazing. The movement, the crispness, the facial expressions, the character design. He's the ideal Buffy artist for me.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 27, 2009 17:01:35 GMT -5
I've loved Jeanty's work. There have only been one or two issues where I agree that his work looked sub-par. But, I have a feeling he hasn't been that comfortable keeping up with such an extended run, and may not want to devote another 2 years or so of his professional life to doing nothing but Buffy.
Jo Chen is the only season 8 artist who's gone a bit overboard with the boobage from time to time... but I have to honestly say I don't really care. That's because I love her style and her likenesses, not because I'm so crazy about big boobs. (I'm not... I'm a leg man. And I challenge any artist to make the Buffyverse women's legs look even better than the real things.)
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Post by wenxina on Dec 27, 2009 17:40:20 GMT -5
I am a fan of Jeanty's work. Both his early season stuff, and his more recent ones. The only issues I've ever had well, issues with were #23 (in some parts), and the last two "Retreat" ones. The former was definitely more rushed looking in parts, and the latter because his discomfort with the full-on military stuff was apparent. I don't find his recent work "lazy" so much as that he's a lot more comfortable with drawing the characters, and therefore isn't devoting as much time to them. The likenesses are usually pretty good, and he's maintained a nice healthy balance of good likenesses with dynamic storytelling. That said, I would understand if he wanted to take on a much lighter workload than another whole season of Buffy. As he said before, she is a demanding mistress.
I like Moline's work fine, but he doesn't tread that fine line between likenesses and dynamic scenes quite as well as Jeanty. His expressions are also usually a lot more exaggerated and lack some of the nuance that Jeanty excels at. But I'd be cool with him. But I doubt many would be so forgiving.
John Cassaday may be interesting, but he is a notorious perfectionist, and does take a long time to produce pages. For that reason alone, he would be a lot less appealing, both to Dark Horse, as well as fans. People are quick to jump on the "quality over quantity" bandwagon, but the attrition rate from the bandwagon is always high when hit with a real-life situation that requires a delay in production. We saw it happen with "ToYL", and it's still happening now, moaning about the delay between the arcs. For the same reason, Frank Quitely will never happen as a full-time artist... he's way too slow. Also, I don't think he's too keen on doing long-term engagements anymore... his stint on Grant Morrison's Batman and Robin only lasted 3 issues, and I think he'll be coming back for another short stint in the near future. That, and his style is so quirky that it would probably totally throw many fans off.
I'm not a fan of rotating artists... but it may be the course that Joss and Scott may choose. Grant Morrison's new Batman and Robin has a new artist for every new three issue arc, and that's keeping production going at a steady rate. Neil Gaiman's Sandman series saw a bunch of artists taking over the reigns at certain intervals. My biggest problem with the rotating artist paradigm is that the series quickly loses artistic direction and identity, simply because all artists have their own styles.
Pia Guerra is a nice choice... she has shown that she can keep at something long-term, though I don't know what the production schedule for Y: The Last Man was like, since I only started it when the trades were available. But her work is nice and clean, and I don't remember a single cluttered panel in Y, so that's always a plus.
I guess it'll all come down to how long the season will be, and what the production schedule will be like. I don't foresee it changing from its monthly schedule, and if it's short enough (NOT another 4 years), perhaps Jeanty will sign on. He will have plenty of lead time to at least get started since there'll be a long break between the end of S8 and the start of S9 anyway. Only problem is the script availability. No script = no start = delay/rushed work.
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Post by Nixennacht on Dec 27, 2009 17:42:30 GMT -5
Yeah, Chen has slipped up recently in making the women on the covers too well-endowed, but Joss signed on Chen and Jeanty both with the express directive that they not draw TNA. How funny is it that it's the female artist who is drawing more TNA than the male artist? Heh. That's one strike against Chen imo (there aren't many strikes, granted) - I really hate the perfect depictions of bodies she goes for (looking at the forum banner at the top of the page - Willow now has a rack that a porn star would envy = disappointing). I'm wondering what a cover of a naked male character would look like if drawn by her... Something along the lines of over-done perfection, I imagine. Hm, I have to say, I really disliked it that she constantly thinned down Gert from Runaways. With Buffy it's not quite that bad, but yes, I could do without it. Have a look at her own comic books for naked men I tend to say, she does them very pretty, bit bishonen like. So yes, prettied up, but preferable to the horrible muscle bergs that are such common superhero thing.
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Post by Paul on Dec 27, 2009 17:54:03 GMT -5
Hm, I have to say, I really disliked it that she constantly thinned down Gert from Runaways. With Buffy it's not quite that bad, but yes, I could do without it. That pissed me off too. Gert was specifically designed to be fat and ugly and Chen insisted on drawing her like a supermodel. Quite insulting to the character, really. Artistic license is one thing, but the characters should be true to their designs. It doesn't bother me so much on Buffy since the characters are meant to be attractive.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 27, 2009 18:04:27 GMT -5
I read about a fan that complained about Gert's being so thin on covers, and Chen answered that she learned to draw in Taiwan (or somewhere) and there were so few overweight people over there, which caused her to getting used to drawing thin women or something like that, and that made her draw Gert thin.
Hopefully, she's taken time to learn how to draw fat people, just in case season 8 get a few that will be featured on covers.
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