moscowwatcher
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Post by moscowwatcher on Oct 5, 2010 13:01:56 GMT -5
Angel: Buffy, I'm betraying you! Buffy: What, again? Bwahaha! But from Buffy's POV (clouded by the glow influence) he's not betraying her. He gives her the bestest day in her life. Until the glow stops working.
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Post by drywallman on Oct 5, 2010 13:23:00 GMT -5
Angel: Buffy, I'm betraying you! Buffy: What, again? Bwahaha! But from Buffy's POV (clouded by the glow influence) he's not betraying her. He gives her the bestest day in her life. Until the glow stops working. Fair enough. But its not just about the effect on the characters, it has to effect the audience as well or its going to fall flat. Angel betraying Buffy at this point is so far from shocking that if they go that direction I can't see how they can make it compelling. Maybe she kills him during their fight and he's gone from the verse for good. That would be shocking. Thats about the only way I could see Angel as the betrayer having any real dramatic value.
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Post by veiriti on Oct 5, 2010 13:25:18 GMT -5
Angel: Buffy, I'm betraying you! Buffy: What, again? Bwahaha! But from Buffy's POV (clouded by the glow influence) he's not betraying her. He gives her the bestest day in her life. Until the glow stops working. Nope, MW, that wasn't a glow, that was a radiation! drywallman, nice dialog! Karmas!
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moscowwatcher
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Post by moscowwatcher on Oct 5, 2010 13:26:54 GMT -5
Fair enough. But its not just about the effect on the characters, it has to effect the audience as well or its going to fall flat. Angel betraying Buffy at this point is so far from shocking that if they go that direction I can't see how they can make it compelling. Maybe she kills him during their fight and he's gone from the verse for good. That would be shocking. Thats about the only way I could see Angel as the betrayer having any real dramatic value. Joss said his wife figured out the ending as soon as he told her who Twilight is. I think Angel will send Buffy to hell, mirroring her actions in Becoming.
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Post by veiriti on Oct 5, 2010 13:35:50 GMT -5
Fair enough. But its not just about the effect on the characters, it has to effect the audience as well or its going to fall flat. Angel betraying Buffy at this point is so far from shocking that if they go that direction I can't see how they can make it compelling. Maybe she kills him during their fight and he's gone from the verse for good. That would be shocking. Thats about the only way I could see Angel as the betrayer having any real dramatic value. Joss said his wife figured out the ending as soon as he told her who Twilight is. I think Angel will send Buffy to hell, mirroring her actions in Becoming. Noooo! I don't want Angel to send Buffy in hell!
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Post by drywallman on Oct 5, 2010 13:38:35 GMT -5
Fair enough. But its not just about the effect on the characters, it has to effect the audience as well or its going to fall flat. Angel betraying Buffy at this point is so far from shocking that if they go that direction I can't see how they can make it compelling. Maybe she kills him during their fight and he's gone from the verse for good. That would be shocking. Thats about the only way I could see Angel as the betrayer having any real dramatic value. Joss said his wife figured out the ending as soon as he told her who Twilight is. I think Angel will send Buffy to hell, mirroring her actions in Becoming. There are many different endings, which one was she referring to? My guess is she meant the ending to the Angel/Buffy situation. Heck, she might have even guessed the end result of Angel is being Twilight is Buffy jumping his bones. Maybe your right and Angel does send Buffy to hell. But at this point, she's already died twice and even been to a hell dimension once. If she goes to hell this season we know she's coming back next season. I honestly can't think of many things they can do with Buffy herself that would affect me emotionally.
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moscowwatcher
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Post by moscowwatcher on Oct 5, 2010 14:13:53 GMT -5
I don't remember verbatim but I think Joss has said "how the season ends". I interpreted it as the finale. But you may be right. Maybe she figured out that they will frak in space.
The most important thing about death isn't who dies... It's who kills them (Dark Willow)
I think it would be a major heartbreak if Angel will send Buffy to hell. Here in fandom we're a bit blasé - but casual fans will be shocked.
But she will be back, won't she? Or maybe the last issue will be dedicated to her friends planning how to bring her back.
Anyways, it's just a spec!
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Post by veiriti on Oct 5, 2010 14:33:04 GMT -5
Maybe you're right - Angel will send Buffy in hell -maybe he will try to send her back in their Twilight paradise, but will make some mistake with the directions In issue 40 her friends planning how to bring her back and the next season will be the named "The Search for Buffy", just like Star Trek "The Search for Spock" But I have a feeling Angel will kill Dawn, not Buffy.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 7, 2010 10:13:56 GMT -5
The new Buffyfest interview with assistant editor Sierra Hahn asks her how the climactic issue #39 made her feel. She simply responded, "ill." Is it a good thing when a story makes one of its own editors feel ill? I really believe the Scooby Gang will be no more after this season. And I'm really wondering what could be left for season 9, and if I will have any will to read it.
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Post by angelsclone on Oct 7, 2010 13:17:47 GMT -5
The new Buffyfest interview with assistant editor Sierra Hahn asks her how the climactic issue #39 made her feel. She simply responded, "ill." Is it a good thing when a story makes one of its own editors feel ill? I really believe the Scooby Gang will be no more after this season. And I'm really wondering what could be left for season 9, and if I will have any will to read it. I'm am very much with you on this, if the impression i'm getting comes into play, the seed will be broken and magic will be gone. so we're left with buffy, faith and the new slayers.. a dead dawn, a mortal willow & a broken hearted xander.. sounds all abit depressing to me
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 7, 2010 13:40:23 GMT -5
I'm just trying to imagine what could cause both Georges Jeanty and Sierra Hahn to have such strong reactions to the story. I have to think they're not just overselling it to try and drum up interest... promising readers that the comic will make them feel sick is probably not the way to do that.
I think one Scooby will die... maybe Xander, maybe Giles, maybe Faith, maybe more than one of them... and Willow will permanently become Buffy's enemy.
Whatever the case, the fear I have is that whatever happens will permanently ruin the Buffyverse by destroying the characters and the relationships that make it so interesting to me. Do I really want to read about a Buffyverse with no Xander, or where Buffy and Willow hate each other for good? I don't know. I have my doubts.
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Post by woundeddwarf on Oct 7, 2010 15:06:50 GMT -5
Whatever the case, the fear I have is that whatever happens will permanently ruin the Buffyverse by destroying the characters and the relationships that make it so interesting to me. Do I really want to read about a Buffyverse with no Xander, or where Buffy and Willow hate each other for good? I don't know. I have my doubts. If Scott tells the truth in the Q&A's we don't have to worry about that. From the Feb 2009 Q&A 9. Nicholas: Will the original four Scooby Gang members ever be truly close again? They seem to have really grown apart this season. Scott Allie: I think so, yeah. They'll be back together before it's over, at the very least.
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Post by arcaneweirdo on Oct 7, 2010 15:07:18 GMT -5
I'm really worried of what this season's finale will bring for the scoobies and the buffyverse, although I'm kind of exited about it too in a weird emo kind of way. A death or a betrayal is always a shock, and the changes it usually brings can be pretty depressing, but at the same time Buffy & Angel were (among other things) drama series, and isn't that part of why we love them?
Take Fred's death for example, they killed off a character we loved but gave us two awesome and hartbreaking episodes and an equally good (if not better) character in return imho.
I understand why people are worried for what is to come, but maybe the changes in this season finale will be as impressive and epic as the ones we saw in the shows, it doesn't have to ruin the characters or the buffyverse for that matter.
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Post by arcaneweirdo on Oct 7, 2010 15:10:21 GMT -5
Scott Allie: I think so, yeah. They'll be back together before it's over, at the very least. Only to be ripped apart again a moment later lol
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Post by wenxina on Oct 7, 2010 23:51:57 GMT -5
arcaneweirdo: Please use the "Modify" function instead of double-posting. Thanks. And welcome to the forum.
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Post by ThatEvilLawFirm on Oct 10, 2010 17:42:24 GMT -5
So this may have been covered, but am I the only one who thinks it would be AWESOME if Dawn was the betrayer? I'm probably in the minority, but I actually really like the character and her general concept, but I always felt like she had a lot of unfulfilled potential. I could easily see her not liking the banishing of magiks, she basically is magik, and she's not an existing demon or slayer, so wouldn't she go away? Even better I think would be if she is the betrayer and Xander has to be the one to kill her, which is why he is holding her in his arms on the cover. Like if Buffy was busy tending to the situation at hand and Xander had to do it, like how Giles killed Ben because Buffy was shortsightedly dealing with her immediate concern. I don't think any of the scoobies would expect Dawn to be the one to betray them, and what could be "closer" than a sister?
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Post by elsiejane21 on Oct 13, 2010 11:11:06 GMT -5
I was kind of thinking that Giles is the betrayer. It just seems he spending too much time with Faith and kind of shaping her to replace Buffy.
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Post by ThatEvilLawFirm on Oct 14, 2010 14:30:24 GMT -5
I'm probably definitely in the minority here, but I would be very "meh" about Giles being the betrayer. It's not really like he's never done that before (at least in her mind if not in reality). I'd pretty much be okay with him getting killed off. Really characters I would be okay with being the betrayer and thus being killed off are Kennedy (though I like her a lot more now), Satsu, Giles, Andrew, or Dawn. Like I said before, I REALLY hope the betrayer is Dawn, I think it would be AWESOME.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Oct 14, 2010 15:05:18 GMT -5
Giles' betrayal would be neither the closest or the most unexpected.
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Post by misterkent on Oct 15, 2010 10:11:06 GMT -5
Yeah, betrayal from Giles, while unlikely, shouldn't be unexpected from Buffy. Especially if what she could perceive as "betrayal" is what Giles think is the greater good - as ThatEvilLawFirm said, he's done things behind her back/against her before.
To me, Willow as the betrayer wouldn't be unexpected, since everyone knows there's a chance she could go Dark again, especially after TOYL.
Som I'm thinking either Xander or Dawn, mainly hinging on Dawn's magical origins and what might happen to her as a result of the loss of the Seed.
For a longshot pick, I'd say Spike. He came into things too late to really be a shock, but Buffy certainly trusts him. How awful it'd be to have to fight not one, but both of her greatest loves in such a short time span.
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