kershmuckit
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Post by kershmuckit on Feb 12, 2008 17:21:40 GMT -5
You would think buffy would be a bit happier now she has an army and is not alone, that was the big cudos from chosen. I only realized the other day when i rewatched chosen was the fact Caleab was the first human life she took, sure he was evil but still human. Maybe she wont let herself be happy because she has robbed a joint and killed someone..... oops sounds like i was talking about Faith. my new guess for twighlight, Sam became a slayer, dumped Rileys ass, the first is now using him to restore the balance. I do hope that the big bad isn't just twighlight I think it would be cool if theres a puppet master behind the scenes like Cordy and the beast. It's true. You think she would of cheered up by now. I'm not sure why she's so sad, i mean things are better for her now surely? A little less homely but, yeah. Emphasis seems to be on Buffy being lonely, like she can't connect, like she said she can't feel a connection. I guess thats just cause of her big apocalypse ridden life, or is there another reason? Buffy being lonely has been a theme for a while, i think Joss is going to have to give some kind of resolution to it eventually, even if it's only temporary. The buff needs to get laid and not feel like crap about it afterwards. Among other things!
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Post by krazyxxxdj on Feb 12, 2008 19:42:54 GMT -5
I'm new around here, and have been reading the boards religiously, but I finally wanted to post.
It seems the most common guess around the 'net is that Twilight is Riley.
While it's possible, I still think it's Xander.
I have a few points behind my thinking, and while I realize it's not a fan-friendly guess, please just bear with me and think about it.
1. Riley has yet to appear in Season 8. If it was revealed that he were Twilight, would he really be that engrossing as a villain? I'm just speculating, but to me it seems Joss would have involved him more early in the series if only to reveal him as the Big Bad later. I may be wrong, and it's still decently early in the series, but... My guess is that the shock of "the traitor" would have more impact from someone already deeply rooted into the story- at Buffy's side in almost every issue. Xanders' betrayal would have the biggest impact possible.
2. Xander and the flying thing: Xander's consistently shown a wealth of comic and super-hero knowledge throughout the lifespan of the character. If there were some reason as to why and how he chose to become Twilight, the knowledge of super powers is there.
3. Twilight mentioned that "he knows those moves", when fighting Buffy. Xander wasn't around when Buffy was fighting Caleb but he heard it second-hand, straight from her - and probably more off-panel. He's also sparred with her a few times.
4. Xander has had to watch as demons, magic and several other supernatural things have tormented him and his loved ones for years. If something bigger has possessed him or is controlling him, the root of the problem was already there in Xander for it to take advantage of and exploit.
5. Xander sent Buffy to the vamp nest, then could easily have tailed her there to "talk".
6. The theme that Buffy and slayers are at war with the human race - Xander represents the "heart" and the most human of the group.
There are other little quirky odd/end things that could connect to Xander, but they could also connect with anybody. Xander telling Buffy she "is the darkness", in her dream... being overly supportive, hanging with the mystics (so there's an open door to magic and powers there alone), etc, etc.
The only thing I have been unable to connect/theorize so far is Twilight's appearance in #1, where he is floating above the castle Buffy and crew had just stormed - while Xander is speaking with them over communications gear. That throws a wrench into the theory - unless it can somehow be explained. Anything is possible though.
At this point we don't know if it's someone Buffy even knows or not - and if it is - if they are acting of their own accord, or are being controlled.
I just don't see the big twist, or the point, really, if it happened to be Riley.
Anyways, thanks for letting me share my theory/thoughts!
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mandikaye
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Post by mandikaye on Feb 12, 2008 19:56:06 GMT -5
I just don't think Joss would completely negate everything he had Xander say to Dawn in...
Well, I was going to say it would completely negate everything Xander said to Dawn in Potential, but after rereading the scene, it wouldn't. In fact, if this theory were correct, that scene may even be a bit of forshadowing...
XANDER: Seven years, Dawn. Working with the slayer. Seeing my friends get more and more powerful. A witch. A demon. Hell, I could fit Oz in my shaving kit, but come a full moon, he had a wolfy mojo not to be messed with. Powerful. All of them. And I'm the guy who fixes the windows.
DAWN: Well, you had that sexy army training for a while, and?and the windows really did need fixing.
XANDER: I saw what you did last night.
DAWN: Yeah, I? (embarrassed) I guess I kinda lost my head when I thought I was the slayer.
XANDER: You thought you were all special. Miss Sunnydale 2003. And the minute you found out you weren't, you handed the crown to Amanda without a moment's pause. You gave her your power.
DAWN: (shrugs) The power wasn't mine.
XANDER: They'll never know how tough it is, Dawnie, to be the one who isn't chosen. To live so near to the spotlight and never step in it. But I know. I see more than anybody realizes because nobody's watching me. I saw you last night. I see you working here today. You're not special. You're extraordinary. (stands, kisses her forehead, starts to walk out of the room)
DAWN: (tears welling in her eyes, calls after him) Maybe that's your power.
XANDER: What?
DAWN: Seeing. Knowing.
XANDER: Maybe it is. Maybe I should get a cape.
DAWN: Cape is good.
XANDER: Yeah. (leaves the room)
(Dawn goes back to work)
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gloriousone
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Post by gloriousone on Feb 13, 2008 5:43:31 GMT -5
That being said: you know who I think's under the mask? Jonathan. Good theory. But I hope not. That would be just a little too Superstar-ish for my tastes. Besides, he's dead! And too short to be Twilight
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commandercool
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Post by commandercool on Feb 13, 2008 13:32:07 GMT -5
[/img] [/quote] Maybe he had a sudden growth spurt after his own death.
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Bennyboi
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Post by Bennyboi on Feb 13, 2008 15:13:03 GMT -5
You would think buffy would be a bit happier now she has an army and is not alone, that was the big cudos from chosen. I only realized the other day when i rewatched chosen was the fact Caleab was the first human life she took, sure he was evil but still human. Maybe she wont let herself be happy because she has robbed a joint and killed someone..... oops sounds like i was talking about Faith. my new guess for twighlight, Sam became a slayer, dumped Rileys ass, the first is now using him to restore the balance. I do hope that the big bad isn't just twighlight I think it would be cool if theres a puppet master behind the scenes like Cordy and the beast. I think that there is something more than just Twilight, like remember Buffy's nightmare with the lion with the green flamed mane? What was that?
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Post by Rebecca on Feb 13, 2008 15:20:26 GMT -5
I always took the lion with the green flamed mane as a prophetic dream about that slayer Twilight was using (I'm sorry I don't have the comics in front of me and I can't remember her name atm).
Although I do see a connection between that prophetic image and a possible larger entity at work here.
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Ethros
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Post by Ethros on Feb 13, 2008 18:07:55 GMT -5
Anyone notice that on the front cover there's no SEASON EIGHT thing any more?
#9 had JOSS WHEDON'S SEASON EIGHT # 10 just had SEASON EIGHT and now #11 doesn't have anything. Hmm???
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Post by Rebecca on Feb 13, 2008 18:51:09 GMT -5
lol... maybe they think we got the point already
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Post by cheungcheung on Feb 13, 2008 20:28:49 GMT -5
Anyone notice that on the front cover there's no SEASON EIGHT thing any more? #9 had JOSS WHEDON'S SEASON EIGHT # 10 just had SEASON EIGHT and now #11 doesn't have anything. Hmm??? i wish it was consistent on all covers. i like the look of issue 10
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Post by MawdurnBukanier on Feb 14, 2008 1:13:23 GMT -5
Anyone notice that on the front cover there's no SEASON EIGHT thing any more? #9 had JOSS WHEDON'S SEASON EIGHT # 10 just had SEASON EIGHT and now #11 doesn't have anything. Hmm??? I'm not sure what you're looking at, but my copy of #11 has Season Eight right under the Dark Horse logo. I'm going to agree with airgirl. When I read the issue I thought it might be Ethan. And I know I totally shot down the idea that he would come back, but now I am rethinking it. Ethan's presence and death in the very first arch is what makes him my suspect. I think he could have easily "faked" his death to Buffy by creating a mystical illusion of sorts. We also have no idea as to what he has been up to since he was taken away by the Initiative in Season 4...I mean this is 4 to 5 years later and he was already magically inclined...being locked up doesn't mean that he wouldn't be able to practice and progress his magical abilities. Lets also not forget that Ethan was killed by the military guy with Twilight's mark on him, so if Ethan were Twilight they'd have been working together already. Ethan doesn't love magic, Ethan loves chaos. And what could be more structured than an army of slayers making the world all nice and orderly? EDIT: Sorry, didn't mean to double post.
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Ethros
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Post by Ethros on Feb 14, 2008 11:19:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you're looking at, but my copy of #11 has Season Eight right under the Dark Horse logo. Yes the Season 8 under the Dark Horse logo is still there, I'm referring to the big bar at the bottom, next to where it gives the title of the issue. ie. 'Anywhere But Here'
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Post by roguewarrior on Feb 14, 2008 11:28:24 GMT -5
I was reading through this comic yesterday and I think Twilight might be Caleb. there's a few things that he said that are kinda hints that it might be him.
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Post by Rebecca on Feb 14, 2008 12:33:37 GMT -5
I think this was brought up earlier, and I believe the consensus is that Caleb is dead and cannot take corporeal form. That being said, if he did come back, it would be at the hands of the First. Two reasons why I don't think the First is behind this:
1) That was last season's villian, and Joss doesn't do double-bangers. 2) I personally do not think the First would want to destroy magic altogether. It wants to spread death and destruction, i.e. evil, and magic seems a good medium for it.
Which brings me to my point earlier, that I think the entity behind Twilight is one whose priority is to balance the world between good and evil, not spread evil. It was brought up at the end of this episode (pg. 30) where Buffy remarks: "Are we doing any good? We've been fighting more demons, but... but it just seems like there's more demons to fight, and what, is that because of us?" Because Buffy did a world of good by spreading her slayer-dom, the balance has been shifted, and higher ups like Twilight are forced to spread the balance.
Side note: Although Twilight's objective is to destroy magic, and we know this is accomplished through Fray, I don't think he will succeed this season. First, Buffy always loses to the big-bad when they meet the first time. Second, she typically beats the big-bad at the end of the season. Third, it has been confirmed that there will be a Season 9, and I for one cannot imagine a Buffy comic with no magic or slayers.
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 14, 2008 15:50:58 GMT -5
Caleb was kind of boring. Like, almost Adam-boring. Really? I thought he was the perfect villain for Buffy. Of course, as with many other things in season 7 he was totally under-developed. Ethan doesn't love magic, Ethan loves chaos. And what could be more structured than an army of slayers making the world all nice and orderly? Nah Ethan loves magic too. His drunken conversation with Giles in his very last episode, he says everything I base my argument on: "Relax. Enjoy the night. We're just a couple of sorcerers. The night is still our time. Time of magic." ...and in fact, some of this may be quite interesting to weigh against the themes of this season too.... "Rupert. But we are a couple of old mystics. This knew outfit, it's blundering into new places it doesn't belong. It's throwing the worlds out of balance. And that's way beyond chaos, mate. We're headed quite literally for one hell of a fight." He's talking about the Initiative here of course, but we've talked about the parrellels between seasons 4 and 8 before.
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Ethros
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Post by Ethros on Feb 14, 2008 17:46:30 GMT -5
Caleb was boring? Yeesh! Don't diss Nathan Fillion!
"And how is poor, sweet Xander? Let him know he's in my prayers, and any time he's willin', I'm ready to... (makes a poking gesture) finish the job." ;D
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Post by buffysmglover on Feb 14, 2008 21:17:44 GMT -5
I just posted my review for this issue at the SlayAlive blog. Check it out and leave some love in the coment section if you enjoy it! www.slayaliveblog.blogspot.comYou might want to edit it and put your name as reviewer since it says Phil posted it.
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Post by Emmie on Feb 15, 2008 0:03:02 GMT -5
You would think buffy would be a bit happier now she has an army and is not alone, that was the big cudos from chosen. I only realized the other day when i rewatched chosen was the fact Caleab was the first human life she took, sure he was evil but still human. Maybe she wont let herself be happy because she has robbed a joint and killed someone..... oops sounds like i was talking about Faith. I feel like the theme of buffy being lonely has been consistent throughout the series. In S7 Touched, she talks to Spike about how she always pushes people away. She's got major abandonment issues that make her afraid to let anyone get close, plus she feels like letting anyone into her life endangers them b/c of the work she does. These are character traits reinforced over years of trying to be normal and have normal relationships. The sad thing is that she isn't the only slayer anymore, so you'd think it'd be easier for her to connect. But remember when she's talking to Faith (in the End of Days, i think) about being a leader. Faith says how she'd always been jealous of Buffy, but when she took the reins as leader she'd "never felt so alone" saying thats how buffy "feels all the time". Imagine how alone she feels being the leader of over 1800 slayers, feeling responsible for every single one esp. the Simone Doffler's of the world. The slayer lineage always keeps harking back to the theme that the slayer is alone...and now thats changed for so many new slayers, but maybe not so much for Buffy. I think Faith struggles with this also for different reasons, but that the newly inducted slayers have this feeling of connection like they rushed for their fav sorority and got in - so, yay! mad sisterhood feelings for them...like that kegger party they were having in 'a beautiful sunset'
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Post by Rebecca on Feb 15, 2008 0:28:29 GMT -5
I too wish there was more of Caleb. I, in fact, loved his character and was surprised when re-watching it how late in the season he was introduced.
Welcome emmie!!
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Post by Giant Michael on Feb 15, 2008 5:22:17 GMT -5
Caleb just seemed to come out of nowhere, and he went away just as fast. Wasn't Firefly taken off the air around the same time that season seven of Buffy was in production? I'd always assumed that's why Joss brought Nathan Fillion onto Buffy and Gina Torres onto season four of Angel; that it was real world issues that kind of fudged the story towards the end of both seasons. I've been wrong before, though. I agree that Caleb was never really all that convincing as a villain. Like so much of the fuzzy mythology introduced towards the end of the last series - Caleb's relationship with The First, the scythe, the pagan in the bad wig that has lived underneath a continent that was only discovered relatively recently for, like, thousands of years - it all just seems very half-assed and confused. The whole religious slant seemed like a bit of a sledgehammer, too. MB x
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