Human Angel

[Rachster]

I'm still finding it hard to believe Angel's a human. It's a twist I didn't expect, do you think he'll become a vamp again or stay human???

[hunter233]

Well, given that it's been confirmed it's not due to the Shanshu, and is instead a trick pulled by Wolfram & Hart to make his stay in hell even more hellish, I'm guessing he'll be re-vampified by them later. I mean, presuming they escape the hell dimension eventually, and I think that's a safe assumption, I doubt W&H would just leave him with what he's been striving for all along. They'll take it back, if only to get the last laugh.

[balesthebloody]

They might be planning on him getting turned again which would bring out Angelus. Which would cause all kinds of Hell.
I really don't think he will stay human very long. You have to remember that The Wolf, The Ram and The Hart are calling the shots now.

[Wyndam]

I think when all is said and done, Angel will be a human, but that doesn't mean he won't be turned back into a vampire before then.

[airgirl]

He'll get vamped again for sure! He's only human in this hell dimension. Once everything gets back to normal he'll be back to square one again, vamp with a soul

[spikeangelus]

I think once Angel saves the day, and gets back to this world, the PTB will re-vamp him, with a soul, because they still want him to fight the good fight.

[alexa]

Was it confirmed that it wasn't Shanshu? Seemed to me it was just Angel's personal assessment.
I think it's cool he's human.. opens the door to more possibilities.

[cheungcheung]

if angel is human, he should be a weakling... a la riley season 5

[spikeangelus]

kanga said:

Was it confirmed that it wasn't Shanshu? Seemed to me it was just Angel's personal assessment.
I think it's cool he's human.. opens the door to more possibilities.

He tells Wes it's not the Shanshu, because he signed it away.

[alexa]

Yeah but I'm not convinced it's even possible to sign it away.. not taking the word of an evil secret society with a corrupt agenda.

[mandikaye]

That's a good point. Signing it away to WRH would imply that they were the ones who were responsible for the prophecy in the first place, wouldn't it?

[Rachster]

okay this may just be me but did anyone else notice that he signed i different sig than in other eps??? ok guess thats just me are we sure that the shanshu can be signed away...

[spikeangelus]

kanga said:

Yeah but I'm not convinced it's even possible to sign it away.. not taking the word of an evil secret society with a corrupt agenda.

Good point. Maybe they just wanted him to think he signed it away?

[balesthebloody]

Or by signing it away to them they now control when it will be used.
That might explain why they turned him human, to show him that he doesn't even have control over his own destiny.

[alexa]

Yeah that's an interesting take on it. I'd be happy if Angel stayed human, but I know others wouldn't. In my view he can still learn to fight and do well as a human.. like Wes and Gunn.. though suppose they didn't do so well in the end

Love your avatar bales!

[bmink1]

Its an ausome twist.. and one that makes perfect sence. They are sent to a hell dimension. what is the first thing going to happen in all hell mythologies? you SUFFER!

Angel, his greatest wish granted at a time when he needs his powers the most..

Gunn, turned into the thing he hates most which is why he is not exactly 'evil' While not an ensouled vamp, i think he was punished to be both human and vampire.

Wesley.. forced to serve as W R H representative, forced to wear the Buffy Season 3 look, before his evolution as a character. W&H cruelest act yet.. LOL i love Lorne.

Illyria and Spike, not sure how they were punished yet.. is Spike human too? Human Angel kicked his ass.. that shouldnt have been possible.

Then i thikn the rest of the cast was outside of the sphere of WH punishment, but sucked into Hell.

[alycat7]

Human Angel to me belittles him signing away shanshu. Especially seeing as i dont believe that he's gonna stay human for too long.

[hunter233]

First off, everyone's gotta remember Angel "reeks of magic." The reason he's still able to hold his own in fights is cause he and Wesley have been pumping him full of magic to "maintain the vampire persona" or whatever they said.

Anyway, I can agree that perhaps the signing away of the Shanshu was all smoke and mirrors by W&H. A "it doesn't matter if it really happens, but if he believes it could, and does it anyway, we know he's evil" (In the logic of those who could never understand those who care). But regardless, Angel sounded pretty certain that it was W&H that made him human. Maybe he's wrong, but he said it with such conviction that it seems to me he knows it as a fact. Maybe Wes even told him that's the case, being their liason.

I like that idea that perhaps the destiny had been signed away to W&H, and thus they now control when it gets used. The thought hadn't crossed my mind at all. Good call.

[Slayer489]

Hmm...I'm not sure where this story will go. Maybe they will wrap things up for good at the end of After The Fall by leaving him as a human again for good. As in, he gets his happy ever after (despite the fact that Joss doeesn't do many of them lol).

It's been pretty much confirmed that W&H made him human right? So that he can't be a vampire and fight just when he needs to the most. Sneaky W&H, always planning new tricks...

[Whedon Fan]

My theory is seen as Wolfram and Hart/Senior Partners has probably made Angel human to make it more difficult for him to free LA from hell so as soon as he does put everything back to normal he will go back to being a vampire. Also I'm guessing that when Wesley comes back seen as he dissapeared at the end of issue 4 he will come back corporeal.