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Post by VampSlayer on Apr 16, 2008 22:53:15 GMT -5
This was bothering me. If Dawn had not hit Amy in Long Way Home, who would have won the fight? I think if Willow doesn't go all evil  , it would be a tie. ~VS~  |
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Post by Rowan Hawthorn on Apr 16, 2008 23:10:21 GMT -5
I think that the only advantage Amy might conceivably have is that, under normal circumstances, Willow would probably draw a line at what she was willing to do, where Amy wouldn't. On the other hand, piss Willow off enough, and I doubt Amy would last much beyond "OH, SH--!"
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Post by Rachster on Apr 16, 2008 23:26:17 GMT -5
i think it would be a tie i also dont think willow could kill amy unless she turned fully evil
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Post by Wyndam on Apr 16, 2008 23:33:42 GMT -5
I think Willow can take Amy easily if it was absolutely necessary.
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Post by Emmie on Apr 16, 2008 23:40:11 GMT -5
I just think Willow has more raw power. Its interesting because both Amy and Tara both come from Wiccan mothers, but both have said that the magic comes so easily to Willow. she's a magic savant!
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Post by themaleslayer on Apr 17, 2008 0:00:28 GMT -5
It's a tie, I love both Amy and Willow
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Post by dane5by5 on Apr 17, 2008 0:39:59 GMT -5
I think that the only advantage Amy might conceivably have is that, under normal circumstances, Willow would probably draw a line at what she was willing to do, where Amy wouldn't. On the other hand, piss Willow off enough, and I doubt Amy would last much beyond "OH, SH--!" Yes, I completely agree. I really hope they have another fight later in the series! Willow & Co. Vs. Amy & Warren. I can't wait for it! |
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Apr 17, 2008 6:22:59 GMT -5
Willow, hands down. I want her to go all evil and skin Amy. Then Amy and Warren can have skinless sex together.
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Post by iloveromy on Apr 17, 2008 8:41:43 GMT -5
I really just want to see Willow and Amy duel it out to the death and for it to be over with.
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Post by Slayer489 on Apr 17, 2008 10:05:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure. It depends I guess.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 17, 2008 11:13:33 GMT -5
I feel bad for Amy. The girl needs help. She doesn't deserve to die, she doesn't deserve punishment. In Witch, she was just as sweet as Willow. Of course, she started getting out of control with magic, like Willow. But unlike Willow, Amy has absolutely no one. Willow got support from everyone around her, they were trying to help her. With Amy, it was just "stay away from me". They could of helped her out. I don't see her as a villian, just a tragic character.
I had to agree with Amy in The Killer in Me. "She almost destroyed the world! And yet eveyone keeps on loving her?!" Amy never did anything crazy like that, and she's treated like dirt.
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Post by VampSlayer on Apr 17, 2008 11:48:50 GMT -5
I feel bad for Amy. The girl needs help. She doesn't deserve to die, she doesn't deserve punishment. In Witch, she was just as sweet as Willow. Of course, she started getting out of control with magic, like Willow. But unlike Willow, Amy has absolutely no one. Willow got support from everyone around her, they were trying to help her. With Amy, it was just "stay away from me". They could of helped her out. I don't see her as a villian, just a tragic character. I had to agree with Amy in The Killer in Me. "She almost destroyed the world! And yet eveyone keeps on loving her?!" Amy never did anything crazy like that, and she's treated like dirt. I agree. I think Amy was, and still is, a good character. She just needs to get some help. |
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Post by wenxina on Apr 17, 2008 11:59:02 GMT -5
I feel bad for Amy. The girl needs help. She doesn't deserve to die, she doesn't deserve punishment. In Witch, she was just as sweet as Willow. Of course, she started getting out of control with magic, like Willow. But unlike Willow, Amy has absolutely no one. Willow got support from everyone around her, they were trying to help her. With Amy, it was just "stay away from me". They could of helped her out. I don't see her as a villian, just a tragic character. I had to agree with Amy in The Killer in Me. "She almost destroyed the world! And yet eveyone keeps on loving her?!" Amy never did anything crazy like that, and she's treated like dirt. The difference being Amy never wanted help. And her "birthday present" gig was a crummy thing to do. Misery loves company, but that's not an excuse, only a motivation. I liked Amy, but not after she came back. It makes me wonder how much dark stuff she was dabbling in before she got turned into a rat. I mean, hanging out with Rack, or at least knowing how to find him speaks of some badness. As for being alone... Amy had that coven in college to hang out with. She had a support group. Sure she never tried to end the world, but what little evil she did, she did out of malice. And skinless sex?! Was that absolutely necessary? It's like watching that Robbie Williams "Rock DJ" video, but grosser!  |
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Post by Tommi on Apr 17, 2008 12:46:19 GMT -5
Willow would definately win, but I think she'd go dark in the process. Either by being angered by Amy or by killing her.
I can't wait for Amy to reappear - it's bound to happen... and I bet she's gonna have some tricks up her sleave!
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Post by themaleslayer on Apr 17, 2008 14:30:08 GMT -5
Oooh, she's gonna go all harry Potter on lil old willow |
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Post by Rachster on Apr 23, 2008 9:36:07 GMT -5
I feel bad for Amy. The girl needs help. She doesn't deserve to die, she doesn't deserve punishment. In Witch, she was just as sweet as Willow. Of course, she started getting out of control with magic, like Willow. But unlike Willow, Amy has absolutely no one. Willow got support from everyone around her, they were trying to help her. With Amy, it was just "stay away from me". They could of helped her out. I don't see her as a villian, just a tragic character. I had to agree with Amy in The Killer in Me. "She almost destroyed the world! And yet eveyone keeps on loving her?!" Amy never did anything crazy like that, and she's treated like dirt. I 100% agree Amy was pretty much alone where willow had a gang of supernatural friends watching her back and helping her no matter what willow did everyone still loved her that must seem so unfair from Amy's point of view and Amy never saw anything wrong with the magic she was doing because no one ever really told her it was wrong Its not like she ever killed anyone.... and willow was clearly powerful for alot longer than season 6/7 she could have turned Amy back sooner if she really tried too and wanted to the only reason she did it in season 6 was because she was lonely And in season 3 she gave up pretty quickly! she liked having a pet rat... So people lay off Amy! |
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Post by Disgruntled Gremlin on Apr 24, 2008 15:11:33 GMT -5
As much as Amy would have us believe her jealousy of Willow is the root of her turn to the dark side, I find her arguments very unconvincing. The college coven, her kind father, Warren all treated her better than Willow did. At first, it seems she has precious little motivation to raise a bunch of zombies, but there's actual considerable textual evidence that supports her current characterization.
I think that this "I was abandoned" self-deprecation is partially true, but is also Amy's immature way of justifying her behaviour. What we have here is not someone who was betrayed by her friends, but someone whose view of herself has been so crushed from years of parental abuse that she has developed an everyone-is-against-me complex, and is desperate to assert herself as being as powerful as her demonic mother.
Her frustration at the abandonment of Will and the Scoobies, who she was never very close with anyway, is in fact displaced rage at her family life. Her father left her at a young age; even back in season 1, their quick-fix recovery of the relationship seemed unlikely, and her behaviour in season 6 suggests not all was rosy in their relationship. Then we have her mother, who violated her body and subjected her to horrific psychological torture. Amy pushed this torture aside by delving further into black magic use: although her behaviour in seasons 2 and 3 seems innocent enough, recall that by "Gingerbread" she must have already been seeing Rack. While all this was going on, she kept up a facade of control (epitomized by her fake paper in S2's BB+B), but lost that facade when she was trapped in her cage.
The Amy-as-a-rat imagery is very symbolic of the psychological prison her mother left her in; despite her revival by Willow and her relationship with Warren, Amy is still very much living in that cage (Joss even goes so far as to show us the cage and Katherine's spectre in "The Long Way Home"). Think about it: why did Amy not flee Sunnydale with the rest of the population? Why didn't she try to escape from the tunnels on her own? AMY CAN FLY. Even if not of her own accord, she was powerful enough in S7 to teleport Kennedy to Willow's location. Taken out of context, her insistence on remaining in Sunnycrater is stupid; taken in the context of her character, it is quite brilliant.
For me, Amy's return has been more successful than any other: the devlopments in the Long Way Home move her character forward, while still showing that her behaviour has been shaped by what we've seen before.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 24, 2008 15:20:46 GMT -5
For me, Amy's return has been more successful than any other: the devlopments in the Long Way Home move her character forward, while still showing that her behaviour has been shaped by what we've seen before. I agree. I loved that Amy can back and how it was done, Your entire post was great! It opened up my eyes to things I never thought of. |
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Post by alycat7 on Apr 30, 2008 19:35:58 GMT -5
Amy needs help from the government to be half as strong as Willow. There is no way Amy could beat her.
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Post by faith0tvs on May 1, 2008 8:34:14 GMT -5
Willow for she plays smarter than Amy who's overdriven by her emotions towards her old friends .To make it more understandable , portray Amy as Anakin in the last part of his duel with Obi Wan ,he was so blinded by his hatred and pride that he didnt see the fallacy of his action (to attack his former master while the latter was on higher ground) .That and the fact that Will's more powerful |
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