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Post by Giant Michael on May 2, 2008 7:31:44 GMT -5
I felt like Wood rushed things with Faith, regardless of how flirty she would be with him. I mean, did he know ANYTHING about her other than the fact she was hot? There was zero chemistry between them (both as actors and as chracters). Didn't Faith equally rush things with Wood? Wasn't that... kind of... the point? I like him, I think he brought a really interesting energy to the Buffyverse in season seven, but I think he was one of a dozen characters that got kind of fudged into the season arc that never really got their chance to shine. MB x
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Post by jellymoff on May 2, 2008 13:03:36 GMT -5
OK, so this post leads me to talk about an uncomfortable subject-Race in the Buffyverse. As an African-American, I was always a bit bummed that my favorite TV show was not more diverse. I was really excited to see Robin Wood added as a character, and that both Buffy and Faith found him attractive and interesting. I have always felt that Wood's reception has been tepid when it comes to the fans. I am not saying that the people who do not like him don't like him because he is black, so please don't get defensive. What I am saying is that our core group of Scoobies (Buff, Xander, Will) and then the later extention of the group (Dawn, Anya, Tara) are all, well...not diverse. Diversity is the one thing that I feel the Buffyverse truly lacked. With Season 8, it has gotten a bit better-Renee looks to play a nice supporting role, and I feel that Joss kind of made up for this lack of diversity by adding Gunn to Angel, and also using characters like Jasmine, as well as Book and Zoe on Firefly. These characters trancended race (with the excpetion of Gunn, whose race played a major role in my opinion). I just always felt that for a guy who seems so open-minded, especially about Women's roles, Joss could have done a better job in making Buffy more diverse. Personally I think Wood is an interesting character and I would like to see more of him; and not just because I can relate to him a little bit. Very much like me, Wood grew up in the suburbs, is educated, and his mother was a Vampire Slayer. He is passionate and resourceful, and he also brings aspects of the Slayer legacy to to our story. I hope we see more of him. So anyway, that's my little piece.
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Post by barryshaft on May 2, 2008 14:46:20 GMT -5
I think Wood was one of the only interesting parts about Season Seven. His character actually had an arc across the season and more to that he actually had his own sense of humour that didn't always gel with the Gang but I found him funny. His backstory was quite interesting and I really don't see how he threw away his morals to sleep with Faith...for one thing, she jumped him, and for another it was one of those "End of the World" last hurrahs...everyone in the house was having one.
I'd love to see more of his character and was actually pretty surprised he actually has had some screentime, given the fan reaction to him.
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Post by CowboyGuy on May 2, 2008 14:53:45 GMT -5
I am sure we'll see Robin again. I wonder what he's been up to, other than leading a Slayer Squad...? I wonder why he wasn't brought by Willow like Andrew was? I doubt he had a falling out with Buffy like Giles/Faith did.
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Post by wenxina on May 2, 2008 14:58:26 GMT -5
Yeah but my issue was Wood was acting so professional and like a "good man", but then all of the sudden he lost all of his character to be horny with Faith. I would have liked if he took her on a date before he boned her. He was so quick to throw away his morals. I think that was the point of the episode. "Touched" was it? Wasn't the whole point what it meant to be human? To not want to be alone. To be able to love, even if for a little while. Okay, so it was supposed to be a little longer, but hey, apparently Wood's got stamina... and that was a horrible pun on my part. Point is, it's what the First wants so badly, and yet can't have... the ability to touch and feel. Okay, so It wants to snap the necks of innocents, but hey, same thing. And we're talking about a time of great danger here. A battle against the First isn't something you walk away from all the time... can you really blame a man for a moment of weakness? Buffyverse heroes aren't flawless... they all have their kinks, baggage and hangups. I do agree with your other comment though... he was kinda bland. But I also do understand where Jellymoff is coming from. Diversity was a little lacking... at least physical diversity. But character-wise, I think the show does have a wide variety of characters, although none that you could really stick into a cookie-cutter mold of what's black, asian, etc. As he said, Wood isn't your "typical" African-American (is that term still in vogue?). But here's where I jump in. For a show that's catered towards a mostly white audience, certain stereotypes are bound to come up. This was handled better on Angel than on Buffy... Chao-Ahn for example was your token Asian, and all she was good for was comic relief by rattling off in some weird Cantonese accent. Sure there were a couple other Asian Potentials, but she was the only one who got lines. So I guess my point is, would I rather the show have kept its mostly homogenous racial profile and kept a diverse character profile over have a diverse racial one but with caricatures of culture? Yes. I didn't need Chao-Ahn to come along to make me feel included. The themes of the show did that just fine. But here's a +1 for you Jellymoff for being gutsy enough to bring up a sensitive topic like this and not go off on a roid rage.
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Post by gunsandsmoke on May 2, 2008 16:42:14 GMT -5
I'd have to say that the episode where Wood tried to kill Spike was probably one of my least favorite episodes of Buffy. Ever. Hey, opinions are like assh0les. Everyone's got one.... The whole story with Spike/William and his mother, I thought, showed us a part of Spike that revealed a lot about his character. Not to mention 70's punk Spike, how he got his leather jacket, ect. If your a fan of Spike then you loved that episode.
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Post by gunsandsmoke on May 2, 2008 17:04:59 GMT -5
OK, so this post leads me to talk about an uncomfortable subject-Race in the Buffyverse. As an African-American, I was always a bit bummed that my favorite TV show was not more diverse. I was really excited to see Robin Wood added as a character, and that both Buffy and Faith found him attractive and interesting. I have always felt that Wood's reception has been tepid when it comes to the fans. I am not saying that the people who do not like him don't like him because he is black, so please don't get defensive. What I am saying is that our core group of Scoobies (Buff, Xander, Will) and then the later extention of the group (Dawn, Anya, Tara) are all, well...not diverse. Diversity is the one thing that I feel the Buffyverse truly lacked. With Season 8, it has gotten a bit better-Renee looks to play a nice supporting role, and I feel that Joss kind of made up for this lack of diversity by adding Gunn to Angel, and also using characters like Jasmine, as well as Book and Zoe on Firefly. These characters trancended race (with the excpetion of Gunn, whose race played a major role in my opinion). I just always felt that for a guy who seems so open-minded, especially about Women's roles, Joss could have done a better job in making Buffy more diverse. Personally I think Wood is an interesting character and I would like to see more of him; and not just because I can relate to him a little bit. Very much like me, Wood grew up in the suburbs, is educated, and his mother was a Vampire Slayer. He is passionate and resourceful, and he also brings aspects of the Slayer legacy to to our story. I hope we see more of him. So anyway, that's my little piece. I totally agree with everything you said here. Karma for you.
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Post by Rachster on May 2, 2008 17:16:25 GMT -5
OK, so this post leads me to talk about an uncomfortable subject-Race in the Buffy verse. As an African-American, I was always a bit bummed that my favorite TV show was not more diverse. I was really excited to see Robin Wood added as a character, and that both Buffy and Faith found him attractive and interesting. I have always felt that Wood's reception has been tepid when it comes to the fans. I am not saying that the people who do not like him don't like him because he is black, so please don't get defensive. What I am saying is that our core group of Scabies (Buff, Sander, Will) and then the later extention of the group (Dawn, Anya, Tara) are all, well...not diverse. Diversity is the one thing that I feel the Buffyverse truly lacked. With Season 8, it has gotten a bit better-Renee looks to play a nice supporting role, and I feel that Joss kind of made up for this lack of diversity by adding Gunn to Angel, and also using characters like Jasmine, as well as Book and Zoe on Firefly. These characters trancended race (with the excpetion of Gunn, whose race played a major role in my opinion). I just always felt that for a guy who seems so open-minded, especially about Women's roles, Joss could have done a better job in making Buffy more diverse. Personally I think Wood is an interesting character and I would like to see more of him; and not just because I can relate to him a little bit. Very much like me, Wood grew up in the suburbs, is educated, and his mother was a Vampire Slayer. He is passionate and resourceful, and he also brings aspects of the Slayer legacy to to our story. I hope we see more of him. So anyway, that's my little piece. I really don't think that wood being black made a difference to the show at all In gunns case it did he had to choose between i life on the streets with his crew or a city style money making life and that was really hard for him but with wood i just don't think his race made a difference Buffy has had black people in the early seasons and it had two lesbians so diversity was never a problem to me in Buffy i liked wood because i think the role he played (being Nikki's son) was great not because hes black or white
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Post by ded1 on May 2, 2008 17:44:19 GMT -5
I liked R.Wood.I thought that his story was interesting and enjoyed his rather dry humor.Probably the only new character that I liked in S7. I kinda hoped that he would of killed Spike because Spike annoyed me in S7.The fact that Spike did kill his mother,and Spike basically taunting him about it(not popular,I know,but I really hated the glossing over of Spike's crimes,including the attempted rape,due to character popularity)
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on May 2, 2008 18:30:19 GMT -5
I was thinking about that recently; lack of African Americans in the Buffyverse. And how Joss seemed focused on women's rights and stuff. African Americans in the Buffyverse (That I can think of off the top of my head.):
1) Gunn 2) Jasmine 3) Kendra 4) Robin Wood 5) Olivia 6) The First Slayer 7) Mr. Trick 8) Forrest Gates 9) Nikki Wood 10) Lissa 11) Renee
Can you guys find any more?
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Post by jellymoff on May 2, 2008 19:19:53 GMT -5
OK, so this post leads me to talk about an uncomfortable subject-Race in the Buffy verse. As an African-American, I was always a bit bummed that my favorite TV show was not more diverse. I was really excited to see Robin Wood added as a character, and that both Buffy and Faith found him attractive and interesting. I have always felt that Wood's reception has been tepid when it comes to the fans. I am not saying that the people who do not like him don't like him because he is black, so please don't get defensive. What I am saying is that our core group of Scabies (Buff, Sander, Will) and then the later extention of the group (Dawn, Anya, Tara) are all, well...not diverse. Diversity is the one thing that I feel the Buffyverse truly lacked. With Season 8, it has gotten a bit better-Renee looks to play a nice supporting role, and I feel that Joss kind of made up for this lack of diversity by adding Gunn to Angel, and also using characters like Jasmine, as well as Book and Zoe on Firefly. These characters trancended race (with the excpetion of Gunn, whose race played a major role in my opinion). I just always felt that for a guy who seems so open-minded, especially about Women's roles, Joss could have done a better job in making Buffy more diverse. Personally I think Wood is an interesting character and I would like to see more of him; and not just because I can relate to him a little bit. Very much like me, Wood grew up in the suburbs, is educated, and his mother was a Vampire Slayer. He is passionate and resourceful, and he also brings aspects of the Slayer legacy to to our story. I hope we see more of him. So anyway, that's my little piece. I really don't think that wood being black made a difference to the show at all In gunns case it did he had to choose between i life on the streets with his crew or a city style money making life and that was really hard for him but with wood i just don't think his race made a difference Buffy has had black people in the early seasons and it had two lesbians so diversity was never a problem to me in Buffy i liked wood because i think the role he played (being Nikki's son) was great not because hes black or white Actually, I agree with you that Wood's race did not matter on the show. It not mattering is why it matters so much to me. It made me feel good that there could be this character on my favorite show that looked more like me, but was not a stereotype. It is one of the reasons why I like the character so much. His race did not by any means define him.
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Post by balesthebloody on May 2, 2008 20:07:51 GMT -5
I would like to see Wood back sometime. But I think he would only work if Faith was in the issue with him. I want to see the other Robin too. She seemed kinda interesting.
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Post by Rachster on May 3, 2008 0:35:50 GMT -5
I really don't think that wood being black made a difference to the show at all In gunns case it did he had to choose between i life on the streets with his crew or a city style money making life and that was really hard for him but with wood i just don't think his race made a difference Buffy has had black people in the early seasons and it had two lesbians so diversity was never a problem to me in Buffy i liked wood because i think the role he played (being Nikki's son) was great not because hes black or white Actually, I agree with you that Wood's race did not matter on the show. It not mattering is why it matters so much to me. It made me feel good that there could be this character on my favorite show that looked more like me, but was not a stereotype. It is one of the reasons why I like the character so much. His race did not by any means define him. Good point i guess wood made a sort of silent difference without being another stereotype
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Post by dane5by5 on May 3, 2008 4:24:01 GMT -5
I am sure we'll see Robin again. I wonder what he's been up to, other than leading a Slayer Squad...? I wonder why he wasn't brought by Willow like Andrew was? I doubt he had a falling out with Buffy like Giles/Faith did. That's a good question. Why was Willow flying Andrew to the Slayer base in Scotland? There was no real reason given, or reason I can even think of, considering what we know so far.
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Post by angelmonster on May 3, 2008 7:14:26 GMT -5
To tell the truth I wouldn't be overly upset if Robin Wood never came back. I think his character was the weakest in probably the entire series. He would have been a great additive if it wasn't the final season of Buffy but since it was his character was rushed. That plus characters with mommy/daddy issues are so cliche. I think it was great that he brought some diversity to the main characters but this show wasn't about race. I agree with comments that Gunn was much stronger as a black man then Robin was. Gunn actually dealt with,. as a character, things that effect black men/women. Robin didn't.
He came a long with like 20 new Slayers and they all were much more interesting then he ever was. And he had more screen time. Plus his dialogue was always principal-esqueish in that talking down to everyone kind of way. I hate that in real life, on a show it bugs me even more.
As for the other Robin...meh. She was there for two seconds and told Buffy someone was going to betray her. That gives me the feeling that she is more then she leads on or she is a baddy.
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Post by henzINNIT on May 3, 2008 9:19:21 GMT -5
OK, so this post leads me to talk about an uncomfortable subject-Race in the Buffyverse. As an African-American, I was always a bit bummed that my favorite TV show was not more diverse. I was really excited to see Robin Wood added as a character, and that both Buffy and Faith found him attractive and interesting. I have always felt that Wood's reception has been tepid when it comes to the fans. I am not saying that the people who do not like him don't like him because he is black, so please don't get defensive. What I am saying is that our core group of Scoobies (Buff, Xander, Will) and then the later extention of the group (Dawn, Anya, Tara) are all, well...not diverse. Diversity is the one thing that I feel the Buffyverse truly lacked. With Season 8, it has gotten a bit better-Renee looks to play a nice supporting role, and I feel that Joss kind of made up for this lack of diversity by adding Gunn to Angel, and also using characters like Jasmine, as well as Book and Zoe on Firefly. These characters trancended race (with the excpetion of Gunn, whose race played a major role in my opinion). I just always felt that for a guy who seems so open-minded, especially about Women's roles, Joss could have done a better job in making Buffy more diverse. Personally I think Wood is an interesting character and I would like to see more of him; and not just because I can relate to him a little bit. Very much like me, Wood grew up in the suburbs, is educated, and his mother was a Vampire Slayer. He is passionate and resourceful, and he also brings aspects of the Slayer legacy to to our story. I hope we see more of him. So anyway, that's my little piece. I noticed race quite a lot in Firefly especially. As lovely and diverse as the cast is, anyone else ever wondered why - being that the context of the show is a future where china and the USA are basically the two major players in the world (notice every character speaks both languages?) - that not one single member of the cast is chinese? lol I love the Gunn character and I'm glad that he developed (especially in season 5) because he was a bit stereotyipical to begin with.
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Post by wenxina on May 3, 2008 9:44:51 GMT -5
I noticed race quite a lot in Firefly especially. As lovely and diverse as the cast is, anyone else ever wondered why - being that the context of the show is a future where china and the USA are basically the two major players in the world (notice every character speaks both languages?) - that not one single member of the cast is chinese? lol Although the Tams in Firefly are supposed to be Chinese, aren't they? I don't know this for sure, but Tam is a Chinese last name, and a name like River, in Chinese would be a girl's name. And Summer Glau does look ambiguously Asian,despite not being of that descent at all.
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Post by gunsandsmoke on May 3, 2008 16:21:05 GMT -5
That plus characters with mommy/daddy issues are so cliche. So then by that standard Buffy, Angel, Spike, Wesley & Dawn are all cliche?
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Post by Emmie on May 3, 2008 19:11:36 GMT -5
That plus characters with mommy/daddy issues are so cliche. So then by that standard Buffy, Angel, Spike, Wesley & Dawn are all cliche? I see all these characters having parental issues as part of the depth of character development on these shows. The characters have a history that dates back to their childhood. Everyone has parental issues, its the formative years and important. Its a fine line between universal truth and cliche.
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Post by wenxina on May 3, 2008 19:14:19 GMT -5
Semantics are so cliche!
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