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Post by gunsandsmoke on May 12, 2008 6:07:15 GMT -5
I just wanted to start a new topic on the revelation of Slayers in After the Fall. I know this has been touched on in the 'Issue 7' thread but I thought it was big enough to deem it's very own topic.
So here is something I've been thinking about. You don't really see the slayers faces... Is it possible that Gunn has sired some slayers of his very own? I mean, he does seem to be building an army and if he could get his hands on some slayers and turn them, well that could be.... F'ING AWESOME! (We have yet to seen a Vampire-Slayer)...
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Post by wenxina on May 12, 2008 21:35:38 GMT -5
I took the whole not showing faces deal to just mean that they were generic Slayers, nobody we've met so far. It's possible that he's sired them, but he'd have to be pretty lucky to sire that many. Plus, they were slaying his crew, not really good for company camaraderie, I don't think. I think he's using them to weed out his team, survival of the fittest kinda deal. It's been questioned if it's really Gunn's basement, or just a basement, and the Slayers happened to be there. I don't think it matters either way, since they still function the same way, they harden his crew. I'm just wondering how the Slayers got stuck in Hell-A. Was there an LA branch before the events of "Not Fade Away"? But if there was, shouldn't Angel have been aware of it, given the resources of Wolfram and Hart? If not, were they sent there on a rescue mission? Or are these just girls that were missed by Buffy's team? If they are Buffy's girls (they seem to be well-trained; an untrained girl can still be a force to be feared, but these girls seem to know what to do), has she missed them? If not, why? Same reason she hasn't missed Angel? Or is it because the events of Season 8 occur after the events of After the Fall have been resolved? So many questions... some of which will probably be answered soon, I hope.  |
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Post by gunsandsmoke on May 13, 2008 3:47:09 GMT -5
Well if he managed to sire one of them then that slayer could have been the one who sired the others. We don't know how Gunn views people in his own gang. Chances are he hates them as much as he hates himself now that he is a vampire. So I doubt he would shed a tear if a few get dusted. Maybe he has them battle and whoever can hold there own is allowed to stay in the crew. Anyone else (Vamp or Slayer) can simply die....
I like the idea of season 8 taking place after ATF. That would be very trippy if Angel just walks into Buffy S8 while ATF is still going on and she is just nonchalant, like "Oh, hey Angel." As if he has been around for months.
I still wanna see a Vampire Slayer.
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Post by wenxina on May 13, 2008 7:38:55 GMT -5
And by that, just to confirm, you mean a Slayer turned vampire? Could be, and I'll admit, I didn't consider the notion that the Vampire-Slayer could go vamp the rest of the girls. As for how Gunn feels about his troop, I agree. That's why I said it was a survival of the fittest kinda deal. |
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Post by jellymoff on May 13, 2008 18:25:31 GMT -5
Now if a Slayer gets vamped, are they just vampire strong, or are they Super-Duper strong? My thought would be that they lose Slayer Strength when they die, so, just vampire strength, but it's not my world, so I don't make the rules!
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Post by Wyndam on May 13, 2008 21:18:07 GMT -5
Now if a Slayer gets vamped, are they just vampire strong, or are they Super-Duper strong? My thought would be that they lose Slayer Strength when they die, so, just vampire strength, but it's not my world, so I don't make the rules! That's going to be hard to judge, for the simple fact that we haven't seen what the limitations are for Slayer and vampire strength. I'd imagine Slayers are stronger than vampires, but by how much? Its never been established just how strong both parties are. Angel and Spike have both shown incredible feats of strength, as have Buffy and Faith. My own personal guess would be that if a slayer is vamped, they would lose their slayer strength because that part of them has died, and they would be as strong as your normal vampire. |
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Post by Emmie on May 13, 2008 22:31:26 GMT -5
The only comparison we have for slayer strength is Angel telling Buffy she's stronger than him when she hits him in 'Sanctuary'. They don't really narrow it down for us.
The question is, does the slayer essence leave the body when it dies now that there are no potentials for it to be drawn to?
If they both stayed in the turned body, wouldn't the demonic slayer essence fight the vampire demon essence (like what happened to Angel in 'Lie to Me')?
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Post by wenxina on May 13, 2008 22:36:22 GMT -5
Don't think the Slayer essence is something like a soul... it's just this thing that imbues a girl with super-strength, agility, speed, etc etc etc. So I'm not sure if it would battle the demon, assuming that it stayed in the body.
My guess, it goes with the soul.
Think that if a Slayer got vamped, she'd just be a regular old vamp, but hey, if she's been properly trained, you bet your mama she could possibly get the upper hand in a fight against any other Slayer.
Plus, as Spike said, a Slayer has to reach for her weapon, but a vampire already has his. So, even if Slayers are stronger, they come with a handicap, and that's probably why the shelf life on Slayers will never outcompete a Twinkie.
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Post by Emmie on May 13, 2008 22:42:36 GMT -5
I don't know if we can define the slayer essence one way or the other. Maybe it would leave/dissipate at the point of death because its not an animus the way the vampire essence is. But if the vampire essence re-animates the body, who's to say that the slayer essence isn't still around and wouldn't kick in some added abilities.
Is the slayer essence bound to the body or is it released? I don't think we know yet and I doubt if the writers have even thought about it. It'll go either way which they decide makes for a more interesting story.
Wait I just remembered that Harth keeps his swiped twin Slayer visions after he's vamped. So that means that he kept some of the slayer package after being turned. I think that could mean that a slayer-vamp is a possibility.
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Post by gunsandsmoke on May 14, 2008 1:07:32 GMT -5
I was just about to use Harth as an example. He is a Vamp but still retains some of his Slayeresque powers. I would love the idea of super slayers-vamps. I mean, before when there was only 1 slayer in the world, that would have been too weird. But now that we have thousands of slayers all over the world, it makes them not only more vulnerable (being untrained and unwatched) but it also makes the idea of vampire slayers more attractive... Besides, all the residents of LA are in hell now. Maybe that is enough to constitute them as dead already? If Slayers were sucked into hell with the rest of them and still posses the slayer abilities, super slayer vamps could definitely be a possibility.
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Post by richieshag89 on May 14, 2008 19:13:11 GMT -5
wasnt there an older comic about this, there was one slayer that was stricken from the watchers diaries and it was because she was sired... i think, anyone else know what im talking about?
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Post by balesthebloody on May 14, 2008 19:35:50 GMT -5
wasnt there an older comic about this, there was one slayer that was stricken from the watchers diaries and it was because she was sired... i think, anyone else know what im talking about? It was a novel and it was called "Tempted Champions". If Gunn doesn't know that Angel is human, which I would guess that he doesn't, then the slayers would be a very logical move. He could blame everything on Angel and Spike and lie saying that he himself had a soul. And if Gunn was found out would it be such a bad thing? I mean he hates what he has become. |
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Post by wenxina on May 14, 2008 23:37:10 GMT -5
Wait I just remembered that Harth keeps his swiped twin Slayer visions after he's vamped. So that means that he kept some of the slayer package after being turned. I think that could mean that a slayer-vamp is a possibility. I disagree on the basis that a vampire retains much of the characteristics, including memories and experiences of the host. Meaning that since Harth had the visions from before, the demon that possesses him now would still have access to those memories. I don't think it's been established that he still has Slayer visions; but the dreams he had before, that was what clued him into the whole Slayer heritage deal. I agree though that the writers probably haven't given that much thought into the dynamics and logistics of soul vs. demon vs. Slayer heritage, but I just don't think that Harth is a good counter-example. |
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Post by gunsandsmoke on May 15, 2008 1:45:57 GMT -5
I like the idea of Gunn sending out word that LA turning into hell is Angel's fault. He could have said that Angel turned into Angelious and took over the Wolfram & Hart branch. Then Buffy sends out a slayer squad to figure out whats going on. Only problem with that is that Buffy wouldn't send out a squad, she would go in person. She would understand the threat Angelious poses and some rookie slayers wouldn't cut it. Another problem is how in the hell (no pun intended) would Gunn get the word out of Hell to Buffy or anyone for that matter?
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on May 15, 2008 11:10:00 GMT -5
I like the idea of Gunn sending out word that LA turning into hell is Angel's fault. He could have said that Angel turned into Angelious and took over the Wolfram & Hart branch. Then Buffy sends out a slayer squad to figure out whats going on. Only problem with that is that Buffy wouldn't send out a squad, she would go in person. She would understand the threat Angelious poses and some rookie slayers wouldn't cut it. Another problem is how in the hell (no pun intended) would Gunn get the word out of Hell to Buffy or anyone for that matter? True that. |
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Post by balesthebloody on May 15, 2008 19:02:43 GMT -5
Maybe these girls were here before the fall of Los Angeles. I mean Buffy could have been keeping tabs on Angel and Spike. Then when all hell broke loose they became trapped. Plus we are not even sure that these slayers are fighting the good fight. They could be rouges working for Wolfram & Hart. That is what I like about "After the Fall", you get just enough information to come to your own theories and share them at the water cooler for a month!
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