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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 4, 2008 10:41:18 GMT -5
Tara can't be brought back but Angel can? Did Angel coming back ruin his "death", and the emotion of Becoming? How is bringing Tara back "fan service", but bringing Angel back isn't? Joss himself wanted it to happen, and that sure as hell is good enough for me. Angel didn't die, not as far as I could tell. A sword through the chest doesn't kill vampires. The only thing we saw was that Angel was sucked into hell. I understand why people assume that he died, because weither we want it or not, we have christianity in our "blood", and when we hear "hell" we think; Place-you-might-go-to-when-you-die. But in Buffy, that helldimension is just it, a dimension among others, one that Angel entered without dying. He was just sucked through a portal. So in no way can Angel's "death" and Tara's be compared. An yes, Becomng would have meant more if Angel stayed away. But that does most definitly not mean that I wasn't happy when he returned. Death by natural causes or not, if Joss can make it realistic, I want tara back.
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Post by balesthebloody on Jun 4, 2008 10:57:12 GMT -5
Tara can't be brought back but Angel can? Did Angel coming back ruin his "death", and the emotion of Becoming? How is bringing Tara back "fan service", but bringing Angel back isn't? Joss himself wanted it to happen, and that sure as hell is good enough for me. Angel never died. He just was sent to a hell dimension. I love Tara to death, but lets just face it, Angel is more important. Angel had/has a higher purpose. Angel has done a lot of great things since he has been back. I just don't see Tara being able to do those kinds of things. I mean if Tara could come back and do ALL those things then I would be all for it but I just don't see it happening. I don't think him coming back ruined his exit from the show. "Becoming Pt. 2" showed that sometimes Buffy would have to put the world before herself and she did just that this episode. I'm sure killing someone you love is a devastating task, regardless if they comeback or not.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 4, 2008 11:55:44 GMT -5
I can get behind the "if it's well written, Tara can return" argument, Mikey. It's just when you compared Tara's and Angel's death, I thought it was a too big difference.
Just because Angel's return was accepted doesn't mean that it would be that easy for the *realistic* fans to accept Tara's return, specially not since that after Angel returned a lot of other people did too.
It's not that I think that Tara's death would be cheapened if she came back, it's more like "Oh my God, not another one." After a while, returning characters get old and unrealistic. So yes, Angel "deserved" to come back more than Tara, because it happened earlier in the show.
Another reason "why Angel and not Tara". If Tara had been Buffy's girlfriend, then her return would benefit the story more than if Willow, "the side-kick''s girlfriend returned. It's not that I like Buffy more than Willow, it's just that it's Buffy the vampire slayer, not Willow the witch, so naturally, Buffy's lovers will get more space and credit that the other characters. Not fair, but they way it works.
I for one would have liked to have more Tara and less Spike in season 6. Damn buffy, couldn't you have sleept with Tara instead???
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Post by buffysmglover on Jun 4, 2008 12:11:27 GMT -5
To the fans who watched the finale for the first time, Angel died. All of the characters assumed he was gone forever. The end. We had a whole summer to reflect on that and feel bad about him being dead. And for a couple episodes Buffy was still dealing with it. And when he came back, it was perfect. It didn't ruin his "death". Because it was written well. Nobody wants Tara to just *poof* be back, and have everyone go laa dee daa, "let's pretend nothing happened". We want Joss to use his masterful mind to come up with a good reason for it, and a genius way of having it done. Because 1) he can do it , and 2) he WANTED to do it. Angel never died, as its already been said multiple times. He was gone not dead. They grieved because they didn't know a way to get him back.
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Post by barryshaft on Jun 4, 2008 12:38:16 GMT -5
And when Season 3 came back everyone knew Angel was coming back...David Boreanaz was still in the opening credits.
But I'd count Angel's return as a ressurection, but it was a necessary one. Tara's would not be. For one thing it's been years since Tara died, people have moved on and the series has progressed without her. She was a great character but that doesn't mean she absolutely needs to come back.
And Mikey, Joss wanted her to come back because he wanted to please all of the fans who were so distraut over this one character's death. He thankfully reconsidered and never ended up going with his "Buffy makes a wish" episode (this is really what you'd consider a good way to bring her back?). And as far as we know it never progressed past a mere idea that he handed out as a breadcrumb to feed the upset fans.... I don't really see where it would have fit into the season. Joss wanted to do a lot of things over the years that he reconsidered before going through with them. If he'd gone with a lot of his original plans it'd be a very different series. Spike would have died in What's My Line, Faith would have hung herself in Revelations, Wesley would never have made it to Angel etc. The fact that these were proposed by Whedon and Co. isn't what's important, it's that they never went through with them, just as he never went through with his Wish episode.
But I will shoot my past arguments in the foot here and say finally...that yes...if Whedon somehow found a spectactular way to bring her back that was both touching, relevant and didn't disservice her death I wouldn't be 100% opposed, I just don't think that there really would be such a plot device as I think Tara's death is one of the keystones of the series that pretty much has to stay in place. It's a load baring plot point.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 4, 2008 14:52:03 GMT -5
And Mikey, Joss wanted her to come back because he wanted to please all of the fans who were so distraut over this one character's death. He thankfully reconsidered and never ended up going with his "Buffy makes a wish" episode (this is really what you'd consider a good way to bring her back?). And as far as we know it never progressed past a mere idea that he handed out as a breadcrumb to feed the upset fans.... . I assume that you have read that in an interview? That he wanted to please the fans? I'm not sure why he wanted to bring tara back, but i've read that he would have brought Tara back, if Amber hadn't been busy. So he probably still thinks that it would have been a good idea. Why do you think that he reconsidered? Because i'm pretty sure that read in an interview with him that he would have made the episode if Amber had had the time. Btw, buffysmglover , I think Mikey meant that many fans thought that he died. I did, it took me years to get that he passed through a portal.
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Post by patxshand on Jun 5, 2008 11:08:04 GMT -5
Some deaths should remain permanent. And they shouldn't violate the "mystical death" clause. Otherwise, why not bring back Jenny Calendar, Joyce, Doyle, Amanda, Tara, Merl, and Jonathan? I mean, making death no longer a threat in the Buffyverse would be a huge blow to the story... so yeah, Joss definitely deserves praise for keeping Tara not so much among the living.
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Post by faith0tvs on Jun 5, 2008 14:28:58 GMT -5
Donnot compare Tara to either Jenny Calendaror Amanda .... If its gonna happen then whatever we say wont prevent it and to be frank i am sure that the whole Saga vasuki storyline could include the blonde's reapperance if she is indeed an ancient and most powerfull demon or even a goddess . How can anyone be sure that the characters have moved on, just because they donnot mention her much or at all?The way that she was taken away from Willster suggest that it would take years for red to even settle withthe fact that she is gone.Her i am alright attitude could very well be a facade for others.
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Post by Enisy on Jun 5, 2008 14:37:09 GMT -5
Joss Whedon: Quite frankly, I had planned to see Tara again later this year and Amber decided against it. I'm not unhappy, because we got to make the statement with Kennedy that you can move on and you can live.
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Post by Smashed on Jun 5, 2008 14:50:24 GMT -5
Obviously Joss DOES fulfill fanservice, Spike in Angel season 5. So, fan service is not a problem. If anything, Tara coming back would further Willow's storyline. If she came back Willow would definitley change for the better. Do we know why Willow was on a higher plane, or whatever she did that Andrew mentioned? For all we know, maybe she was looking for ways to bring Tara back. Hm.
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Post by patxshand on Jun 6, 2008 14:06:40 GMT -5
Donnot compare Tara to either Jenny Calendaror Amanda .... Why not?
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jun 6, 2008 15:17:50 GMT -5
If its gonna happen then whatever we say wont prevent it Do you really think that everyone on this forum is naive enough to think that we have a say in it? We discuss because it's fun to guess and debate, not to force Joss to do anything he thinks is bad for the story.
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