A vampire....vampire slayer

[watcher]

Why haven't we seen a slayer turned yet? Is it even possible? What exactly would happen to a slayer that is turned vampire? Would she be twice as strong? With all the potentials now slayers would you all welcome a big bad vampire who was a slayer?

Sure we saw Buffy turned into a vamp in that nightmare episode but I think it would be interesting to really see a potential turned or maybe a ancient slayer who was turned many years ago and has been lurking in the shadows.

[themaleslayer]

Maybe they lose their powers of a slayer and gain the powers of a vampire...yeah, pretty sure that's it.

[watcher]

But Buffy died twice and still had her slayer powers....when you are vamped you technically die. I'm guessing the demon essence of the slayer's power mixed in with the vamp demonyness has to equal a double whammy.

[ded1]

I think that it could be intresting to explore this option.It could go either way

[Skytteflickan88]

I think that the first watchers thought of that option and made sure that when a slayer is sired, her powers die. Unless they were very stupid.

[knuckleball]

It would be my interpretation that a Slayer's strength has nothing to do with her body, but everything to do with her soul. I imagine that when her soul leaves her body, the body would no longer have the Slayer's powers. As stated, when a vampire turns a human, the soul leaves the body, just as when someone dies naturally.

As far as Buffy's death goes, her soul would still have the Slayer's power and then that soul, along with its powers, would be returned to her body, whenever she was brought back.

[balesthebloody]

The title is "Tempted Champions". It was a pretty good read.


I would love to see this explored in canon. Which with this many slayers it could be very possible now.

[wenxina]

Jun 24, 2008 17:59:22 GMT -5 watcher said:

Why haven't we seen a slayer turned yet? Is it even possible? What exactly would happen to a slayer that is turned vampire? Would she be twice as strong? With all the potentials now slayers would you all welcome a big bad vampire who was a slayer?

Sure we saw Buffy turned into a vamp in that nightmare episode but I think it would be interesting to really see a potential turned or maybe a ancient slayer who was turned many years ago and has been lurking in the shadows.

While not canon, there is a novel out there that explores this issue. The title's Tempted Champions, so you can go look it up.

EDIT: Thanks balesthebloody... I finally found it on Wiki...
Deleted my previous post a second after I posted it.

[El Diablo Robotico]

As has already been said, there's no hints in canon about what might happen, so it's all just speculation at this point.

I tend to think that the Slayer essence leaving the body, and the new vampire being no stronger than any other, makes the most sense. But if they ever decide to do a story around the idea, they might decide it makes for a more "interesting" story to have her have both the Slayer's and vampire's powers.

*shrugs* Who knows?

[wenxina]

In the novel mentioned, I don't remember the Vampire Slayer vampire as being any stronger than Buffy, but she was definitely a LOT better trained, which makes sense, considering her age.
This is consistent with #2 of Season 8, where Buffy easily defeats Leah, Rowena, and Satsu, even though all Slayers are technically created equal.
I don't think that making a Slayer turned vampire stronger by giving her double powers necessarily makes things more interesting. In fact, the circumstances that led her to become what she is would be more interesting.

[El Diablo Robotico]

Jun 24, 2008 22:12:30 GMT -5 wenxina said:

I don't think that making a Slayer turned vampire stronger by giving her double powers necessarily makes things more interesting.

I don't, either, but I was just trying to think along with Joss and the other writers: if you're going to do a story about siring a slayer, what would make it worth it? What could you do that would make it different from the stories of other characters being turned previously?

[willowswarlok]

Jun 24, 2008 19:05:34 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

I think that the first watchers thought of that option and made sure that when a slayer is sired, her powers die. Unless they were very stupid.

Well, didnt the first watchers (the shadow men) create the slayer to fight off demons? At this point, Vampires wouldnt have even existed, right?
So, how would the Shadow Men have know about siring, therefore, how would they have implimented the precaution of depleating the slayer of her powers, once sired.
Since technically, siring wouldnt have been an issue at that time....
there were only pure demons, not human hybrids

I think lol

[Skytteflickan88]

Hm, I thought that vampires already existed.

Doesn't Giles say in season one that slayers have existed as long as vampires?

I'm not sure tough. What makes you think that only pure demons existed?

[willowswarlok]

Jun 25, 2008 4:02:10 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

Hm, I thought that vampires already existed.

Doesn't Giles say in season one that slayers have existed as long as vampires?

I'm not sure tough. What makes you think that only pure demons existed?

Well
I just assumed. Since Giles mentions that before the last pure demon died, it mixed its blood with a human, creating a hybrid...
so i just assumed that Demons were the main focus for the first slayer... could be wrong tho

[Danner]

I believe the idea of a slayer vampire has also been touched on in "False Memories", a season 5 comic arc. There isn't too much explanation of the slayer vampire, but it's clear that they were at least playing around with the idea in some form.

[Jinxieman]

Even if the slayer turned vampire didn't have double strength it would have the added benefit of having the slayer memories making it a much stronger opponent than a regular vampire.

I really do think that it is mentioned somewhere in the show that turning a Slayer into a vampire is possible but it is hard to do. My assumption based off that would be that because of the slayers healing abilities it is hard to drain her to the point of death then feed her their blood without her body healing itself enough not to die...does that make sense? In other words, I could see the slayer's body healing itself, or replenishing her blood, before or while she ingests the vampire blood and not actually dieing where a normal human would not be able to replace their lost blood fast enough to survive.

Personally I always thought a Slayer turned Vampire would have made a great season Big Bad. That's what I though Sunday was before Buffy slayed her.

[brandonr]

I agree with those who have said that a Slayer's power is tied into her soul, and when a vamp turns a human, the soul goes poof and the demon is inserted.

Jinxieman: I get what your saying about a Slayer's blood being able to replenish, but I don't think its's neccessarily true. Just look at what happened to Buffy after Angel fed off her in S3. She was put into the hospital, and was in a coma because he drained her so much. She was on deaths door, and if she hadn't kicked him off at the last minute, he would've killed her. While Buffy did recover more quickly than a normal human would've, it still took her the better part of (at least) a few hours to do so.

[BenTaylor3907]

How about a Vampire Vampire Slayer with a soul. Double the power, Double the fun.

[Jinxieman]

Jun 25, 2008 13:14:41 GMT -5 brandonr said:

I agree with those who have said that a Slayer's power is tied into her soul, and when a vamp turns a human, the soul goes poof and the demon is inserted.

Jinxieman: I get what your saying about a Slayer's blood being able to replenish, but I don't think its's neccessarily true. Just look at what happened to Buffy after Angel fed off her in S3. She was put into the hospital, and was in a coma because he drained her so much. She was on deaths door, and if she hadn't kicked him off at the last minute, he would've killed her. While Buffy did recover more quickly than a normal human would've, it still took her the better part of (at least) a few hours to do so.

IF he had continued to feed she would have died, I'm not saying it is hard to kill a slayer by draining her but that it is hard to turn a slayer because a vampire needs to drain a person enough so that they will die but then feed them their blood before they die. If the Vampire does this to a slayer and leaves them to die and raise as a vampire I think there is a strong chance that the slayer will not die since their body will heal itself and replenish the blood loss where a normal human would not be able too. It doesn't matter how long Buffy was out...she didn't die. I would imagine that if Angel had drained that much blood from a normal person they would have died before getting to the hospital.

I think there is a smaller window of time for the vampire to turn a slayer, their chances of either not draining them enough and they heal or killing them before getting them to drink their blood is probably higher.

[wenxina]

Jun 25, 2008 13:37:57 GMT -5 Jinxieman said:

IF he had continued to feed she would have died, I'm not saying it is hard to kill a slayer by draining her but that it is hard to turn a slayer because a vampire needs to drain a person enough so that they will die but then feed them their blood before they die. If the Vampire does this to a slayer and leaves them to die and raise as a vampire I think there is a strong chance that the slayer will not die since their body will heal itself and replenish the blood loss where a normal human would not be able too. It doesn't matter how long Buffy was out...she didn't die. I would imagine that if Angel had drained that much blood from a normal person they would have died before getting to the hospital.

I think there is a smaller window of time for the vampire to turn a slayer, their chances of either not draining them enough and they heal or killing them before getting them to drink their blood is probably higher.

According to Darla, to turn someone, you have to drain them to the point that their heart slows down, and then swap bodily fluids. However, matter cannot be created, and if a Slayer has no access to water and amino acids, and trace minerals, and carbs, and whatever else I may be forgetting right now, there's no way for her to replenish blood loss.
So no, a Slayer can technically be turned quite easily... provided you weaken her enough (massive blood loss usually does the trick).
And regardless, as long as the blood swap happens, the deal is sealed, as far as what we've seen so far.