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Post by themaleslayer on Jul 1, 2008 23:00:09 GMT -5
...were the betrayer?
I don't think anyone's thought of this, but hey: anything's possible.
I had this random idea that what if Amy became an ally of Buffy and Co. and she herself ended up being the betrayer?
thoughts??
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Post by Smashed on Jul 2, 2008 0:53:41 GMT -5
I don't think Buffy and Co. would ever accept Amy as an ally, she's tried to play that card.
Nor is she close to Buffy at all.
So, I don't think she would be the betrayer.
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Post by Joe on Jul 2, 2008 7:15:36 GMT -5
Not likely at all, becauses she has to be an ally/friend to be a betrayer to Buffy. But if she did become friends with Buffy (not likely) then there is a chance.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Jul 2, 2008 18:07:35 GMT -5
That was sort of a rude response. Um, I think that it would've made sense if she was going to betray back in season 6/7. Not now. She's alrighty sort of turned evil, ya know? And didn't they say that it would be someone not expected? Amy would be pretty expected. |
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Post by brandonr on Jul 2, 2008 18:52:54 GMT -5
I'd have to agree and say that it would be a stretch if Amy were the betrayer. Joss would definitely have to stupify his characters in order for them to even remotely consider the idea of accepting Amy back into the group so that she can betray them. And with what's happened to BHC in 16, if they find out that Wamy is responsible, that definitely would put the idea asunder.
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Post by endofautumn on Jul 3, 2008 14:46:05 GMT -5
spike, anya, Illyria, faith....its possible for anyone to become an ally of theirs along as they change and prove themselves. But i highy doubt Amy will ever join them, even though thats where the power is.
And i doubt Amy is the betrayer.
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Post by themaleslayer on Jul 3, 2008 18:05:34 GMT -5
Dont worry, I didn't see it as rude.
lol and insane theory, just throwing it out there in a sea of theories.
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jul 16, 2008 21:18:47 GMT -5
i don't think that they would allow amy to be a part of the scooby gang. i mean she already tried it before (The Killer In Me) and she screwed that up too.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jul 16, 2008 21:32:49 GMT -5
i don't think that they would allow amy to be a part of the scooby gang. i mean she already tried it before (The Killer In Me) and she screwed that up too. Well, by TKIM she was already evil and only pretending to help, so that's not really the best example. She was sort of part of the group in "Gingerbread", and screwed that up... by turning herself into a rat. That was the last time we saw her before S6, and it's always bothered me about the sudden 180 (okay, maybe more like a 130) her character took at that point, just because it worked better for the Willow-addiction storyline, and was probably a time-saver to bring back a character that Willow already knew, rather than create a brand-new one that both she and the audience would have to get to know. I just have a hard time reconciling the Amy from S1-3 with the one from S6-8... :moody: |
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Post by wenxina on Jul 16, 2008 22:06:22 GMT -5
I really didn't see that as change out of the blue. Amy was already showing signs of abuse of power in "Bewitched..." (I really can't remember the title, but it had "Bewildered" somewhere in it... the one with Xander's love spell backfiring), using it for self-gain. While not quite evil, the same argument can be made for Willow's abuse of magic as well. Look where that landed her in S6.
Plus, Amy changing into a rat; that was a selfish (although ultimately smart, in a self-preservation kinda way) as she didn't try something else to save them all. So I agree, she did screw up her chance in "Gingerbread".
Oh, and considering that Amy knew of Rack the moment she turned human again, I'd say that it suggests that Amy was already dabbling in some serious dark mojo before turning herself quite literally into vermin.
And Amy... meh... never was fond of her. Her mother had more layers, and that's saying something about a superficial b-witch.
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Jul 16, 2008 22:36:45 GMT -5
But her knowing Rack, pre-rat, was a retcon, since we didn't learn about that until S6. Just saying that in the times we saw her in S1-3, her biggest offense or abuse-of-power was using magic to get out of having to do her homework. She only agreed to attempt the love-spell for Xander when he blackmailed her, and even turning herself into a rat in "Gingerbread" seemed to be just self-preservation, not dark, evil mojo. I amended myself to saying it was more like a 130 than a 180 for her character, because she wasn't necessarily "good", and an active part of the Scooby Gang back in HS, but based on those early appearances, 'vengeful-magick-junkie-who's-willing-to-stand-by-while-a-woman-gets-lobotomized-and-also-help-build-a-missile-designed-to-kill-a-hundred-innocent-girls' feels like a bit of a stretch. It's like they began with the 'junkie' revision of her character in S6, and then just made her progressively more and more evil in S7 and 8, with no obvious basis to support that "evilling up", just because she made for a handy villain...  |
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jul 16, 2008 23:05:55 GMT -5
It is odd that she went bad after being a rat. Maybe the rat experience made a bad impression on her.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 16, 2008 23:11:05 GMT -5
I agree, but regardless of whether it was a retcon or not, it was character development for her. So when you view those misdeeds of hers in the context that is provided by her prior affiliation with Rack, it makes sense that she's a magic junkie who dabbled in some dangerous juju.
Amy's always been second-string material anyway. She couldn't make the cheer squad on her own, but Buffy did. Then you have Willow, who got into the magic gig kinda late, and showed remarkable prowess for the craft, far surpassing Amy's abilities (as she admits in S6... can't remember the ep). And hell (and this is just for fun), the boy she wanted to go to the Prom with turns out to be gay and died at graduation. And then the college wicca group is all willing to forgive Willow for her end the world schtick, but Amy gets shunned by her ex-friends (Buffy, Willow, etc) for magic abuse, instead of being helped, the way Willow was when she was a recovering addict.
If you take her childhood into account, with her mother constantly telling her she's not good enough, there are breadcrumbs that allow for extrapolation to Amy's current status as villainess not-quite-dujour. It's mostly fueled by jealousy, and just wanting to fit in.
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Post by xmadxscientistx on Jul 16, 2008 23:35:43 GMT -5
I've always been surprised by the way Buffy characters treat other people. They never seem to help people the way they should. Look at Faith, sequestered off in some cheap hotel without anybody offering to help her. Not like Giles tried to get her a better place.
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jul 20, 2008 9:42:52 GMT -5
i don't think that they would allow amy to be a part of the scooby gang. i mean she already tried it before (The Killer In Me) and she screwed that up too. Well, by TKIM she was already evil and only pretending to help, so that's not really the best example. She was sort of part of the group in "Gingerbread", and screwed that up... by turning herself into a rat. That was the last time we saw her before S6, and it's always bothered me about the sudden 180 (okay, maybe more like a 130) her character took at that point, just because it worked better for the Willow-addiction storyline, and was probably a time-saver to bring back a character that Willow already knew, rather than create a brand-new one that both she and the audience would have to get to know. I just have a hard time reconciling the Amy from S1-3 with the one from S6-8...  You're right. the killer in me probably wasn't the best example. but i agree with you that bothered me that she kind of came back and was like "oh yea i'm evil. did i not tell you guys?" although in one episode, willow says something like she's rubbing her hands together like she's planning something! |
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Post by D'Hoffryn on Jul 21, 2008 1:50:09 GMT -5
Well I kind of agree but I don't think she is the betrayer.
I think near the end of S8 magic will end for a few minutes and warren will die.
Willow will seal her self away (see fray) with the essense of magic and be presumed dead and amy will join buffy for S9
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Post by juniorwatcher on Jul 21, 2008 2:38:14 GMT -5
I don't think Amy was ever evil, she just was like a crackhead who lured Willow into her crackhouse, and didn't want her to leave. Then she got jealous that Willow was a better crackdealer then her, and tried to set her up. I hope you understand my metaphors!!!
But, Willow sealing herself away, and Amy taking her place...i really don't see that happening.
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