NileQT87
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Post by NileQT87 on Aug 20, 2008 2:46:27 GMT -5
sales just went up with the start of the fray arc.
which kinda does point to the steepest continual drop-off being for wolves at the gate and now we've just gone up 2,000 for time of your life.
going up for time of your life means its something else besides the economy. either fray is really popular, or wolves at the gate lost buyers, but they are coming back for later arcs.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 20, 2008 6:16:10 GMT -5
which kinda does point to the steepest continual drop-off being for wolves at the gate and now we've just gone up 2,000 for time of your life. . Now the homophobes are returning... |
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iloveromy
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Post by iloveromy on Aug 20, 2008 8:13:22 GMT -5
which kinda does point to the steepest continual drop-off being for wolves at the gate and now we've just gone up 2,000 for time of your life. . Now the homophobes are returning... Yeah, you're probably right. |
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NileQT87
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Post by NileQT87 on Aug 20, 2008 21:57:42 GMT -5
or people who don't think the horny and lonely storyline is a highlight... particularly when atf is boasting storylines that just put it to shame. remember it was just "experimentation". i'd rather have something more to chew on. sorry.
and i did say it was either that or a fray bounce.
i'd have the same opinion if buffy was screwing some other random subordinate because she was horny and lonely. horny buffy got old a long time ago... like in where the wild things are. at least that was with a relationship that had a little more going for it than horny and lonely usage of another (and i hate ruffy, for the record). at least spuffy lead to something. remember--joss pretty much insinuated that batsu doesn't really have a higher meaning other than experimentation.
any relationships for the sake of having relationships in a drama like this are pointless if they don't lead to anything substantial. parker had more substance and purpose.
i'd rather buffy started growing up already. she's in her mid-20s, for crying out loud!
the problem with season 8 is namely that buffy's issues that were going south in season 7 are not getting any better. they're getting worse.
it was a predictable, yawn-worthy gimmick (that failed) with writers that didn't quite think through all of the complications... same as the slayer spell in chosen (shadowrape, anyone?).
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vampmogs
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Post by vampmogs on Aug 21, 2008 0:40:55 GMT -5
Yeah I must say that I agree with Nile that it doesn't have to necessarily mean you're a homophobe if you didn't like the story. Joss already got rid of all of them back when Willow/Tara became a reality. Anyone who's watching the show went through Willow/Tara and Willow/Kennedy, I doubt there's many Btvs fans who are homophobes.
I actually enjoyed it. The final scene between them at the end of 'Wolves At The Gate' made me smile, it was incredibly sweet and where I disagree with Nile is that I actually believe Buffy did change and grow after this relationship. She finally learnt that not every relationship has to end in doom or gloom or with her partner leaving on bad terms or dying, it was a mutual and heart warming break up. Now Joss could completely change this later on, we know Satsu is returning and for what reason is still unclear, but that's the impression I got from what we've seen thus far.
And I didn’t find it yawn worthy, I found the reveal shocking but in a intriguing way, I found everyone’s reactions not only completely undercutting the tiresome “Buffy keeps a secret” crap we got for the past couple of years, but refreshing and hysterical. It was such a change and that's good because it's following the trend of Buffy being more open and honest as a person, starting with her showing everyone her emotions after Aiko's death and coming to Xander for advice on wanting to feel a connection. Unlike Nile, I do believe Buffy's grown substantially since season seven, even if she still has a long way to go.
I don't believe it was a gimmick either, but I don't think that you're a homophobe if you don't like it. What I can't comprehend because of the made obsessive Buffy fan in me is that people can stop reading the story than pick it up again at 'Time of Your Life' without seeing how it all played out. I need to see everything, I can't pick up and drop the story like that, but each to their own I just could never do it lol.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 21, 2008 5:14:05 GMT -5
I still think that the sales droped mostly because of the homophobs, but obviously there are some people that aren't going to like wolves at the gate for other reasons. Fans aren't going to stop reading unless it something really disturbing happening, like Buffy being bi-ish(disturbing for them, not me). That they disliked that buffy had a casual sexual relationship wouldn't make that many put the comic down, would it? So I assumed that it was the homophobes (and the casual Buffy-fan of course) that were the main quitters. Yeah I must say that I agree with Nile that it doesn't have to necessarily mean you're a homophobe if you didn't like the story. Joss already got rid of all of them back when Willow/Tara became a reality. Anyone who's watching the show went through Willow/Tara and Willow/Kennedy, I doubt there's many Btvs fans who are homophobes. Not many are left, but there's a difference between a main character doing something that you dislike and the main character doing something you dislike. i think a lot of people could put up with Tara, Willow & Kennedy as long as they could be asured that buffy and the others would be straight. And the in WATG they got disapointed. |
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Post by vampmogs on Aug 23, 2008 21:57:05 GMT -5
I still think that the sales droped mostly because of the homophobs, but obviously there are some people that aren't going to like wolves at the gate for other reasons. Fans aren't going to stop reading unless it something really disturbing happening, like Buffy being bi-ish(disturbing for them, not me). That they disliked that buffy had a casual sexual relationship wouldn't make that many put the comic down, would it? So I assumed that it was the homophobes (and the casual Buffy-fan of course) that were the main quitters. You'd be surprised haha, I've seen some really bizarre comments about the Buffy/Satsu relationship. Apparently Satsu "acted like a prostitute" which one can only assume is because it was casual sex. I dunno, I'm sure you're right and that out there somewhere they are homophobes who still watched Buffy and may have been turned off for that reason. I just feel uneasy about the comments as sometimes I feel it can back people into a corner and often (I'm not suggesting you are by any means) it can be an easy way into shaming people for not particularly liking a certain development. I just think the accusation can be made far to casually sometimes these days. |
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Aug 24, 2008 10:05:44 GMT -5
Does it really matter if a character is straight or not?
Besides, it was experimenting. Showing that Buffy would do anything for a connection with anyone. I mean, after all the guy shit she put up with, why not try a girl? I sure would.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Aug 24, 2008 10:18:23 GMT -5
Besides, it was experimenting. Showing that Buffy would do anything for a connection with anyone. Man, I hope that came out more condescending that you meant it too. Otherwise, I agree, it shouldn't matter. But it does to many. |
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Dec 10, 2008 14:28:23 GMT -5
Is this going to be updated? I'd like to know about the Fray arc.
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narflet
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Post by narflet on Dec 12, 2008 19:59:28 GMT -5
There's this somewhat interesting thing here, which is based on data from a facebook app, about what female comic book readers are reading. Buffy Season 8 comes out as the no. 1 most read comic by females. chrisnolan.ca/ID/1037 |
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Glósóli
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Post by Glósóli on Dec 20, 2008 0:34:14 GMT -5
Buffy #16 - Rank #10 - Sales 82,031 Buffy #17 - Rank #13 - Sales 79,307 Buffy #18 - Rank #11 - Sales 77,589 Buffy #19 - Rank #8 - Sales 74,202 www.icv2.com/articles/news/1850.htmlComic book sales keep dropping pretty bad, and Buffy keeps ranking high, I don't think Wolves at the Gate had much to do with the sales decrease. |
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Post by hitnrun017 on Dec 20, 2008 1:00:19 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that! Kind of sad to see the sales drop, but at least it ranked higher. I bet the semi-biggish drop between #18 and #19 was caused by the delay.
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Glósóli
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Post by Glósóli on Dec 20, 2008 1:27:46 GMT -5
Haha sure, anytime.
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Dec 21, 2008 20:34:16 GMT -5
Wow, the sales really did drop a lot. But the number of the month went up. Weird.
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Post by Emmie on Dec 21, 2008 20:49:26 GMT -5
It's the economy. *sigh* I take that to mean that while sales dropped at large in the comics world, Buffy sales dropped less drastically because of fan loyalty. Or else we're just a well-off fandom.  Either way, it's cool to see Buffy at #8. |
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Post by Without Passion on Dec 21, 2008 22:39:28 GMT -5
I still think that the sales droped mostly because of the homophobs, but obviously there are some people that aren't going to like wolves at the gate for other reasons. Fans aren't going to stop reading unless it something really disturbing happening, like Buffy being bi-ish(disturbing for them, not me). That they disliked that buffy had a casual sexual relationship wouldn't make that many put the comic down, would it? So I assumed that it was the homophobes (and the casual Buffy-fan of course) that were the main quitters. Yeah I must say that I agree with Nile that it doesn't have to necessarily mean you're a homophobe if you didn't like the story. Joss already got rid of all of them back when Willow/Tara became a reality. Anyone who's watching the show went through Willow/Tara and Willow/Kennedy, I doubt there's many Btvs fans who are homophobes. Not many are left, but there's a difference between a main character doing something that you dislike and the main character doing something you dislike. i think a lot of people could put up with Tara, Willow & Kennedy as long as they could be asured that buffy and the others would be straight. And the in WATG they got disapointed. I really don't think sales dropped mostly because people are homophobic. (At least I hope not) Where's the proof of this? EDIT: Woops! I didn't realize how old that post was... |
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Smashed
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Post by Smashed on Dec 21, 2008 23:28:18 GMT -5
I updated the first page!
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Thank you to Glósóli.
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Glósóli
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Post by Glósóli on Dec 22, 2008 0:56:56 GMT -5
I updated the first page! : ) Thank you to Glósóli. Sure ;-) |
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Jan 25, 2009 22:31:51 GMT -5
If the sales on Season 8 go down below 60,000, will the comic be canceled? I don't know if they do that with comics and such but still.
And are the sales, compared to the normal sales of comics in general, good?
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