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Post by jessesopher on Sept 13, 2008 11:49:58 GMT -5
I personally prefer the one long arc. It's easier to dive into the After the Fall story because it's starting to its climax right now. Buffy isn't even half way to the end. It just seems like it's taking forever to tell the Buffy story.
I think I prefer the story to be told in one long arc, rather than 6 or 7 short arcs and a few standalones.
They both have their advantages and disadvantages. In Buffy we're getting more character development and the introduction of new characters, etc. But it's taking forever to actually get the story told. In ATF, we're getting a great story being told, but it's a bit lacking on the character development. That's fine IMO because we already have the backstory of these characters and my mind just kind fills in the character development. The developments that have happened have been great, though.
So yeah, there are pros and cons to each method, but I think I prefer the way ATF is doing it. Don't get me wrong, though, I LOVE the Buffy books, too. I'm just curious what you guys think about this.
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Post by Enisy on Sept 13, 2008 12:00:29 GMT -5
I think, when both "seasons" are done, and we can go back and read them from start to end, Buffy: Season 8 is going to come off the deeper and more layered of the two. But as it stands now? Angel: After the Fall is far preferrable. With the month-long breaks between issues and the slow rate at which the developments are happening, I can't even be bothered to analyze or speculate on Buffy: Season 8 (plot-wise or character-wise), knowing that it will take ages for my guesses to be confirmed or negated. I'm missing the full "fan" experience.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 13, 2008 12:08:26 GMT -5
I think the opposite. Season 8 has had several climaxes, because it's divided in stand alones and shorter arcs. In after the fall, we get awesome discoveries, but fewer climaxes.
Compare the exiting battle against the lords in After the fall, to the final battle in long way home, the tears we shed for the Chain-Buffy, Faith chosing the side of good, Buffy meeting Twilight, Buffy sleeping with Satsu, Dawn's a centaur, etcetc. We get more and faster.
After the fall takes way too long. It's one long arc, that sucks us dry, while season 8 have shorter more satisfying arcs. After the fall gives us one cliffhanger after another.
When after the fall is done, I might find myself liking that arc better than any of the Buffy arcs, but right now, it's too tiring. I won't know what will happen to Angel and the others until issue 16 or 17, but this Fray arc will end in a month, and we'll get something new.
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Post by Enisy on Sept 13, 2008 12:15:08 GMT -5
I get what you mean, but I can't be bothered to speculate on the short arcs, either, when I can't see the big picture...
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Post by jessesopher on Sept 13, 2008 12:23:24 GMT -5
After the fall takes way too long. It's one long arc, that sucks us dry, while season 8 have shorter more satisfying arcs. After the fall gives us one cliffhanger after another. You get more information faster, but the quality isn't nearly as good. The arcs seem really rushed. Look at the Fray arc... we're 3 issues in and we don't really know anything. There's A LOT that needs to be revealed in just 22 pages of the next issue. It's going to feel really rushed to me. With ATF it takes longer, but you get more information. You still get the "fan" experience that someone else was talking about because it's all one story... you can speculate on how it's going to end. Whereas with Buffy you don't get that because there are still numerous stories to be told that fit into a bigger picture. With ATF what we're seeing IS the big picture... no smaller arcs, just telling the big story as opposed to telling the big story through many smaller stories. And so it's way more detailed.
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Post by Lukee on Sept 13, 2008 12:31:06 GMT -5
Season 8s arcs i feel are better. You get more character development, new characters, more story lines etc. Also Season is also a good chance for newbie Buffy fans to jump in with. Its also set more like the tv show. It only feels like tis taking ages because it takes a month for each comic to come out now if it was in tv format people wouldn't be thinking this would they not. But because its every month it seems like its dragging. Yet im still hooked.
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Post by witcher on Sept 13, 2008 13:05:02 GMT -5
For now I like Season 8 more. It has its secrets and a pig picture but the smaller arcs are refreshed with some new and some old characters. And season 8 seems to be more epic, while ATF focuses on Angel and his role in the Apocalypse.. yes there are other characters and everything but it just seems focused on Angels destiny..
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Post by Tyler Austin "tiewashere" on Sept 13, 2008 13:09:49 GMT -5
It depends. I prefer the arc in Buffy than individuals.
But I dunno.
It depends on how long the series is.
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Post by Wyndam on Sept 13, 2008 14:38:19 GMT -5
I prefer After the Fall's one long story arc.
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Post by sosa lola on Sept 14, 2008 6:54:10 GMT -5
I enjoy Buffy more, because it does feel like the show with arcs being episodes. Angel feels like a movie. All are great, but I like the feeling I get from Buffy more.
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Post by patxshand on Sept 14, 2008 8:23:04 GMT -5
I didn't vote, because it's kinda hard to compare. "After the Fall" is like an ANGEL movie, and "Season Eight" is like a Buffy season. They're such different animals that one can't really compare them, structurally, at least.
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Post by jessesopher on Sept 14, 2008 9:11:04 GMT -5
I didn't vote, because it's kinda hard to compare. "After the Fall" is like an ANGEL movie, and "Season Eight" is like a Buffy season. They're such different animals that one can't really compare them, structurally, at least. That's a good point, I never thought about it that way. I still think I prefer several "movies" as opposed to the seasons, though.
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Post by ded1 on Sept 14, 2008 20:49:43 GMT -5
I didn't vote, because it's kinda hard to compare. "After the Fall" is like an ANGEL movie, and "Season Eight" is like a Buffy season. They're such different animals that one can't really compare them, structurally, at least. That's how I see it as well.I like both styles
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Post by Emmie on Sept 19, 2008 14:09:53 GMT -5
I think, when both "seasons" are done, and we can go back and read them from start to end, Buffy: Season 8 is going to come off the deeper and more layered of the two. But as it stands now? Angel: After the Fall is far preferrable. With the month-long breaks between issues and the slow rate at which the developments are happening, I can't even be bothered to analyze or speculate on Buffy: Season 8 (plot-wise or character-wise), knowing that it will take ages for my guesses to be confirmed or negated. I'm missing the full "fan" experience. enisy, you articulated my own personal frustration with following the comics right now. It takes so long for the payoff. I agree also that Angel: After the Fall is delivering right now, but that once Buffy Season 8 is complete it will be the more layered and complex of the two stories. I also agree with patxshand (so many people are agreeing with you, Pat, I think that deserves karma...) that the mediums are hard to compare - an ANGEL movie versus a BUFFY season in the comics. Overall, I think I'd still pick a BUFFY season because we're getting more stories layered together to make a season arc.
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Post by commandercool on Sept 19, 2008 19:25:27 GMT -5
I much prefer Buffy's approach. I don't think a single arc could remain interesting for as long as I'm willing to read it.
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Post by erik352 on Oct 11, 2008 20:16:16 GMT -5
So far Im liking Season 8 more. I have a hard time understanding the Angel comics by IDW...I dunno if it reads better as a tpb, but I'm getting the issues monthly and I'm a bit confuse by what's been happening.
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Post by soulbrave on Nov 4, 2008 22:09:39 GMT -5
Buffy Season 8 Rules!!!
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Post by vbg on Nov 5, 2008 8:33:33 GMT -5
Over all ANGEL After the Fall is much better.
Buffy Season 8 Why the hell is "The Chain" issue #5, it should had been issue #1. And the Faith arc? That was a waste. We got it,Buffy vs Faith. We should've got a Dana arc, you know the slayer Andrew took back with him in ANGEL season 5. And the Oz arc, there no potential for him. Besides, he going to be clueless about what going on with Buffy and the gang--Who Dawn? Why is Xander missing a eye? Where's Spike? What is Buffy doing in Europe? How's Sunnydale? The arc would be doom from the start.
ANGEL After the Fall I got to say, nice job. Really like what's going on. My only problem is that we really should've gotten a First Night story out of Eve, Harmony and maybe even the Senior Partners.
I do have one more problem, but I blame Dark Horse for this. Faith should really be one of the slayer seen in After the Fall. It BS that Buffy season 8 got both big name slayers and ANGEL just got stuck with random slayers.
And I really do see potential for Oz in ANGEL. Hello, Nina a werewolf. Oz... a werewolf.
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Post by wenxina on Nov 5, 2008 9:02:55 GMT -5
Over all ANGEL After the Fall is much better. Buffy Season 8 Why the hell is "The Chain" issue #5, it should had been issue #1. And the Faith arc? That was a waste. We got it,Buffy vs Faith. We should've got a Dana arc, you know the slayer Andrew took back with him in ANGEL season 5. And the Oz arc, there no potential for him. Besides, he going to be clueless about what going on with Buffy and the gang--Who Dawn? Why is Xander missing a eye? Where's Spike? What is Buffy doing in Europe? How's Sunnydale? The arc would be doom from the start. Let's go through this one by one, shall we? 1. "The Chain" was actually very well placed. The themes of connection, sacrifice, the impact of one's life, etc have continuously run through BtVS, and you have Buffy doubting her decisions, as well as feeling disconnected (this is revealed in #11). 2. NFFY was actually the best arc for me so far. The verdict's still out on ToYL. And if all you got out of it was Buffy vs. Faith... maybe you should read it more closely this time. 3. A Dana arc would have been a waste of time. I'm not saying that I don't want to learn more about her, but I'm not willing to go through an entire arc of her rehabilitation. Such microdrama is well reserved for things like The Hills, or some other plotless, meandering TV show. 4. The Slayer spell cast shockwaves through the magical community. From one (well, two, since there was a weird technicality in the Slayer clause) to nearly 2000 Slayers... let's just say that all demonkind would be frightened. Or anything remotely dangerous to humans; who's to say that all Slayers exercise the same restraint as Buffy? I's say that Oz would be at least aware of some changes in Slayer-dom. And why don't you give the arc a chance before you shoot it down? 5. Who's Dawn? Were you absent the last 3 seasons of Buffy? Why is Xander blind in an eye? Because Caleb blinded him in "Dirty Girls" (ep 18 of S7). Where's Spike? He died in "Chosen" and was somehow resurrected over at Wolfram and Hart in S5 of Angel. Where he is currently, in the S8 timeline? No definitive news, really. What's Buffy doing in Europe? She decided to start homebase there. Why? Ask Scott Allie. Or Joss. What about Sunnydale? It's a giant crater! Happened at the end of "Chosen", and the same crater is shown in TLWH #1. ANGEL After the Fall And I really do see potential for Oz in ANGEL. Hello, Nina a werewolf. Oz... a werewolf. Yes, and the last time he decided to try dating within his own community... that ended so well. You know... her attacking Willow, him tearing her throat out. Then him leaving Willow... Granted Veruca or whatever was a bitca, and Nina could be nice... but to say that based on the presence of a werewolf over at Angel central, Oz would be better off there is really missing the point of the characters in the first place; they are where they're needed to advance the storyline.
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Post by vbg on Nov 5, 2008 9:18:56 GMT -5
5. Who's Dawn? Were you absent the last 3 seasons of Buffy? Why is Xander blind in an eye? Because Caleb blinded him in "Dirty Girls" (ep 18 of S7). Where's Spike? He died in "Chosen" and was somehow resurrected over at Wolfram and Hart in S5 of Angel. Where he is currently, in the S8 timeline? No definitive news, really. What's Buffy doing in Europe? She decided to start homebase there. Why? Ask Scott Allie. Or Joss. What about Sunnydale? It's a giant crater! Happened at the end of "Chosen", and the same crater is shown in TLWH #1. LOL. You totally misread that. LOL. Those are questions Oz would asks. He left in the middle of season 4 (and was only mentioned in season 7). There are a lot of things he won't know.
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