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Sept 21, 2008 6:41:51 GMT -5
Post by magicegidius on Sept 21, 2008 6:41:51 GMT -5
Just another theory...
We all now Giles and Faith are hunting rogue slayers right now...
Could Faith be the start of a new Watcher's Council? I mean, Giles was dark also before he became a watcher.
It would be so awesome if Faith would be Buffy's watcher!!!
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Sept 21, 2008 9:22:20 GMT -5
Post by witcher on Sept 21, 2008 9:22:20 GMT -5
Uhmm... what? Well I don't think a Slayer has ever been a Watcher, and even if that happened don't see why would Buffy let Faith boss her around
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Sept 21, 2008 9:58:48 GMT -5
Post by wenxina on Sept 21, 2008 9:58:48 GMT -5
Just another theory... We all now Giles and Faith are hunting rogue slayers right now... Could Faith be the start of a new Watcher's Council? I mean, Giles was dark also before he became a watcher. It would be so awesome if Faith would be Buffy's watcher!!! Well, they may be "hunting" rogue Slayers right now, but the point is to rehabilitate them. I'm not sure if Faith could ever be a Watcher though, at least not in the full capacity. Let's face it, Faith just isn't the bookish type, and there are years and years and decades of training that goes into being trained as a Watcher. A weapons master, sure. But Watcher? Nope. And Buffy's Watcher? Probably not so much. Plus, Faith's entire mission now is redemption anyway. She's trying to stop girls from going down the path she went down. I don't think that so much involves watching other Slayers, more of a guidance counsellor deal, which is what she said anyway, at the end of #9.
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Sept 21, 2008 16:01:49 GMT -5
Post by magicegidius on Sept 21, 2008 16:01:49 GMT -5
True...but with the old council down... A new line of Watchers can be set...
And I think Giles wasn't that bookwurmy too before he became a watcher...
Come on guys...it would be cool...Buffy fighting with Faith and Faith finally in charge:P
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Sept 21, 2008 16:16:04 GMT -5
Post by champ10 on Sept 21, 2008 16:16:04 GMT -5
Faith as a watcher is kinda hard to swallow.... There's so much trust that has to be built up again. As far as we know, Buffy still thinks Faith was trying to kill her in the NFFY arc. But speaking of rogue slayers... is anyone else interested in Dana - the slayer driven crazy by torture who cut off Spike's hands in Angel Season 5? Andrew and and council took her into custody.... I wonder if we'll see more of her... I always thought there'd be a council future for Dawn. She seemed so on top of the research during Season 7. Looks like Joss has bigger plans for her. Pun intended.
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Sept 21, 2008 16:30:26 GMT -5
Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 21, 2008 16:30:26 GMT -5
I don't get why Faith would become a watcher when she's already a slayer. If she wants to gain the same knowledge as watchers, she'll do that, but I doubt that she will ever call herself a watcher. Besides, Buffy doesn't need guidance anymore.
And yeah, I want to know what happened to Dana. And most of all, I want to know what Buffy thought about taking Dana from Angel.
I have a feeling that Andrew was lying, I mean why would Buffy take Dana from Angel and not even call him to explain? It's possible that she expected him to call tough. Typical girl ;P
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Sept 21, 2008 18:45:23 GMT -5
Post by faithnspike on Sept 21, 2008 18:45:23 GMT -5
Faith the watcher Would never happen, but I could see her recruiting watchers with Giles. We need a new watchers council
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Sept 21, 2008 19:17:14 GMT -5
Post by rmw on Sept 21, 2008 19:17:14 GMT -5
I can see Faith doing the guidance counselor thing--helping out other Slayers to prevent them or rehabilitate them from following her path.
A new Watcher's Council may not happen, but never say never. I mean, in Fray's time, Watchers were considered loony, right? But there were Watchers. I'm not saying there won't be any, but I just don't feel much for a council.
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Sept 21, 2008 20:05:21 GMT -5
Post by Malsad on Sept 21, 2008 20:05:21 GMT -5
Just another theory... We all now Giles and Faith are hunting rogue slayers right now... Could Faith be the start of a new Watcher's Council? I mean, Giles was dark also before he became a watcher. It would be so awesome if Faith would be Buffy's watcher!!! well - that last line that would be kool
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Sept 21, 2008 20:46:43 GMT -5
Post by ded1 on Sept 21, 2008 20:46:43 GMT -5
I don't get why Faith would become a watcher when she's already a slayer. If she wants to gain the same knowledge as watchers, she'll do that, but I doubt that she will ever call herself a watcher. Besides, Buffy doesn't need guidance anymore. And yeah, I want to know what happened to Dana. And most of all, I want to know what Buffy thought about taking Dana from Angel. I have a feeling that Andrew was lying, I mean why would Buffy take Dana from Angel and not even call him to explain? It's possible that she expected him to call tough. Typical girl ;P She didn't call him because they couldn't trust Angel(or so they thought).I mean,he was running Wolfram & Hart
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Sept 21, 2008 20:52:36 GMT -5
Post by jessesopher on Sept 21, 2008 20:52:36 GMT -5
No way... Faith wouldn't do it. Plus, honestly... I don't think she could really - emotionally speaking - handle it. Look at how Buffy treated Giles most of the time. Faith couldn't handle the rejection of someone that she has grown to care about so much. Then we have S3 Faith all over again.
Don't get me wrong, Faith has grown a lot and is now very mature, I think. But you never really get over the kind of childhood she had... or whatever issues she had that made her turn rogue to begin with. You just don't...
But I agree that we need a new counsel. I don't really like Buffy running everything... it's too much responsibility for one person. She really is "the queen". She's the unelected leader of an army. With the old counsel, it was several people who had that responsibility. Right now Buffy has absolute power... and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I always hated it when Buffy said "I don't need you" to Giles. Everyone always needs the counsel of their elders. I mean, she's been fighting with Giles ("not on speaking terms") for a long and look where she is now... she doesn't feel close to anyone, so she's using young girls who fall in love with her as sex objects just for a moment of intimacy, she's compromising her morality by stealing in order to fund her operation, she doesn't care about the victims anymore - just the "big picture." She's a mess! I honestly think that if she would listen to Giles and accept his mentoring again, she wouldn't be in her current situation.
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Sept 21, 2008 22:27:38 GMT -5
Post by El Diablo Robotico on Sept 21, 2008 22:27:38 GMT -5
she doesn't care about the victims anymore - just the "big picture." Are you thinking of any other examples there besides what happened in #18? Because it's been pointed out by others before (but I'll say it again) that the thing Mel wanted to go down and break up wasn't lurks killing humans. It was lurks rounding up and capturing humans to be eaten or turned into lurks at a later time. Buffy cared just as much about stopping them as Mel did, but Buffy wanted to put a stop to it once and for all, by following them back to their hideout and wiping them all out there. Mel's plan freed the four or five humans that the lurks had caught, but didn't do anything for the countless others that may have still been captive at the source. Buffy also found Harth's HQ immediately by following her plan, whereas Mel had been looking for it for quite awhile, unsuccessfully. She's just taking way too much criticism for this "big picture" thinking, when not only was it the smarter strategy that yielded better results, but this idea that she "didn't care" about the 'victims' that Mel jumped down to save is completely untrue...
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Sept 21, 2008 23:30:07 GMT -5
Post by wenxina on Sept 21, 2008 23:30:07 GMT -5
But I agree that we need a new counsel. I don't really like Buffy running everything... it's too much responsibility for one person. She really is "the queen". She's the unelected leader of an army. With the old counsel, it was several people who had that responsibility. Right now Buffy has absolute power... and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I always hated it when Buffy said "I don't need you" to Giles. Everyone always needs the counsel of their elders. I mean, she's been fighting with Giles ("not on speaking terms") for a long and look where she is now... she doesn't feel close to anyone, so she's using young girls who fall in love with her as sex objects just for a moment of intimacy, she's compromising her morality by stealing in order to fund her operation, she doesn't care about the victims anymore - just the "big picture." She's a mess! I honestly think that if she would listen to Giles and accept his mentoring again, she wouldn't be in her current situation. We do have a new Watchers' Council. Giles claims that he's effectively it. Plus, Andrew, and Xander acting as pseudo-Watcher. But if your point is that Buffy needs a new Council to tell her what to do, what makes you think a new board will actually change anything? She's made it clear that she no longer wants to play by the Council's rules, and she effectively changed the rules by activating all the Potentials. And back when the Council had the power, what made them any better than the totalitarian leader some people are painting Buffy as? She may be "unelected" (that's never been shown conclusively), but for the most part, it's an undisputed claim. The woman's a legend amongst the Slayers now. But back to the point, Quentin viewed the Slayer as an "instrument" of the Council. The Council was descended from the Shadowmen, who effectively raped the First Slayer with the essence of a demon to imbue her with the powers of a Slayer. Yeah, I'm not a real big fan of the Council right now. However, there is, or will be a new Council. In fact, they're probably being recruited right about now. The safehouse or whatever that Fray is living in is the remnant of one such headquarters, considering the concentration of knowledge and stuff hoarded there. Could be it was the home of a Watcher, thus the collection of books. Or maybe it will be one of the new headquarters of the Council. I doubt that all the Watchers from the old regime were wiped out by the First. You say that absolute power corrupts. I agree. That may be the apparent case for Willow right now. But I don't really see where Buffy's being corrupted to the extent that many of her naysayers are proclaiming. Stealing, yes... bad Buffy. But the thing about not caring about humans, I think El Diablo's (and my point from the #18 thread) point is valid. And Satsu was not "used". In fact, in #15, it was pretty clear that Satsu was the one who initiated the second sexual encounter. And instead of looking at Buffy and saying "she's a mess, look where her estrangement from Giles has left her", why not flip it around and say the same thing to Giles? The man was kinda aimless, until he teamed up with Faith. As Buffy pointed out in "Checkpoint", what good is the Council without a Slayer to do the work? They would not be on non-speaking terms if he hadn't gone around her back again. It was a clear betrayal of her trust, just like in S7, and so maybe Giles doing things for the "greater good" should be under equal scrutiny as well. Up to that point, Buffy was still going to Giles for counsel; she asked that Twilight's symbol be sent to him to help decode its significance.
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Sept 22, 2008 4:43:39 GMT -5
Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 22, 2008 4:43:39 GMT -5
I don't get why Faith would become a watcher when she's already a slayer. If she wants to gain the same knowledge as watchers, she'll do that, but I doubt that she will ever call herself a watcher. Besides, Buffy doesn't need guidance anymore. And yeah, I want to know what happened to Dana. And most of all, I want to know what Buffy thought about taking Dana from Angel. I have a feeling that Andrew was lying, I mean why would Buffy take Dana from Angel and not even call him to explain? It's possible that she expected him to call tough. Typical girl ;P She didn't call him because they couldn't trust Angel(or so they thought).I mean,he was running Wolfram & Hart But just months before Angel helped her save the world. Shouldn't she atleast call and make sure he's evil, not just possessed, impersonated, brainwashed,ectetc? She should atleast have talked to him. I never expected her to give up on him so easily. Too bad that Joss couldn't have Sarah guest star in season 5, then I think this issue would have been solved. But I agree that we need a new counsel. I don't really like Buffy running everything... it's too much responsibility for one person. She really is "the queen". She's the unelected leader of an army. With the old counsel, it was several people who had that responsibility. Right now Buffy has absolute power... and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I always hated it when Buffy said "I don't need you" to Giles. Everyone always needs the counsel of their elders. I mean, she's been fighting with Giles ("not on speaking terms") for a long and look where she is now... she doesn't feel close to anyone, so she's using young girls who fall in love with her as sex objects just for a moment of intimacy, she's compromising her morality by stealing in order to fund her operation, she doesn't care about the victims anymore - just the "big picture." She's a mess! I honestly think that if she would listen to Giles and accept his mentoring again, she wouldn't be in her current situation. I agree that Buffy needs to share her leadership, but being a dictator isn't all that bad. In time of crisis it's the fast decisions that matter, there's no time for voting when the world is ending. But in time of peace, or no apocalypses atleast, responsibility needs to be shared. But how do we know that Buffy's a complete dictator? Vi runs the Manhattan squad on her own it seems. Buffy has control, but she also divids responsibility, from what I've seen. Sha ahs control over all squads, but the squads have their own control. I haven't seen her have the sole responibility. It seems as if Giles and the watcher's council still have power too. Not sure which moments you mean that Buffy tells Giles she doesn't need him, I can only remember twice(once she takes it back in early season 5, to learn her darkness). And in season 7, when she teels him she doesn't need him, it's because he's the big picture guy. He tries to kill Spike, going behind Buffy's back, for the bigger picture. He's not that good of a rolemodel if you want Buffy to care more about the individuals. And one thing; The big picture is about saving as many victims as you can. Buffy has crippled herself, cut herself of emotionally, otherwise she would be dead now, no slayer army would exist, and the next slayer called might be killed on her 18th birtday if she doesn't pass the council's test. For better or worse, Buffy isn't the soft fragile girl, trying to do her best, that we saw in season 1. She's a leader now, so other don't have to die. And karma for you, Wenxina, for a very intelligent post.
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Sept 22, 2008 9:37:25 GMT -5
Post by Joe on Sept 22, 2008 9:37:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't like Faith to be a watcher... or in charge.
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Sept 22, 2008 11:09:31 GMT -5
Post by faithnspike on Sept 22, 2008 11:09:31 GMT -5
One man is not a watchers council. Two pseudo-watchers does not change that. However with a more effective watchers conceal (don’t tell me Gilles would not be a more effective head than Travers) we could have well trained slayers
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Sept 22, 2008 14:01:11 GMT -5
Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 22, 2008 14:01:11 GMT -5
Not all old watchers could be gone, could they? Some must have been out on mission, at home sick, stationed elsewhere, so I don't think it's a one-man council.
For example, that woman who was talking to thechain-Buffy for example. She could be new of course.
I guess there aren't as many watcher's as there should be tough. Many blew up.
I think it would be a good idea if every squad got 5 watcher's each(there's 50 slayers per squad, right?). Before they join the army and become soldiers, they should be eased into it, be given moral lessons, history, philosophy, etcetc. I doubt it be that healthy to be given a weapon and ordered to kill. Like they did in The Chain. They seemed to be quided by watcher's then. I hope all girls got that.
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Sept 22, 2008 14:11:53 GMT -5
Post by Wyndam on Sept 22, 2008 14:11:53 GMT -5
example, that woman who was talking to thechain-Buffy for example. She could be new of course. Wasn't that Rona?
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Sept 22, 2008 14:14:46 GMT -5
Post by wenxina on Sept 22, 2008 14:14:46 GMT -5
There was another woman. White, I think, from memory. I was trying to place her, as in if we had seen her previously, but I drew a blank.
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Sept 22, 2008 14:22:45 GMT -5
Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 22, 2008 14:22:45 GMT -5
One white, one black.
The black one is probably Rona, but I didn't think about that until you said it.
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