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Post by henzINNIT on Dec 6, 2008 7:56:10 GMT -5
Okay, so we've seen that Willow is killed off in issue 19, and I think there was a collective sigh of relief that it was only the twisted future Willow. The problem is obviously, that they are in fact the same person anyway. Time travel is an odd thing, it pretty much only makes sense if everything ties up in a horrible innevitable way. Knowing future dark Willow's future, present Willow could change her path to avoid it, but then future Willow would never exist to show her that outcome in the first place, so there's nothing to stop her becoming dark future Willow... and so on and so on *headaches* So do you think we've seen Willow's ultimate demise or not? How do you feel about it? Discuss...  |
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Post by snizapman6294 on Dec 6, 2008 19:21:01 GMT -5
i think that when saga vasuki said don't look when you pull buffy out of the time space warp thingy, she meant that that could be what changes willow into dark willow and stopping her from looking stopped the darkness from manifesting
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Post by dgryphon on Dec 6, 2008 23:31:00 GMT -5
I kind of saw it as the natural course of time (due to Fray's world staying as it was) and that Willow would ultimately die by Buffy's hand. But it really seems like FDW actually wanted Buffy to do it- as if she were unable of ending her own life, which might be entirely possible due to the mad magicks running through her.
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Post by witcher on Dec 7, 2008 11:14:02 GMT -5
Well first of all time travel gives me headache. Dark Willow is what Willow became in that future, but Buffy went to both future, and soon, past so it could be changed. We saw that Frays world did not disappear and there are possible plans for more Fray stories, which means she is still a Slayer, but we have no idea what was changed in that future. Further more we don't know why future Willow wanted Buffy to be the one to kill her. It could be some magical reason, spell they did ti banish magic, it could be poetic to die killed by her closest friend, or it could be strategical to stop herself from going dark ( maybe Buffy does something that causes Willow to go down that road again).
Time will tell...
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Dec 9, 2008 0:53:27 GMT -5
( maybe Buffy does something that causes Willow to go down that road again). Time will tell... Maybe gets Kennedy killed? *hopes* or gets Tara killed again lol... |
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Post by CowboyGuy on Dec 9, 2008 9:39:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure how I feel about it. I don't like knowing the end of the story when it's only just beginning...
Knowing that Willow lives to the Fray-era only to be killed by past Buffy, just seems so 'meh' to me. I do not want that tragic end for one of my most beloved characters of all time! Maybe Fray will end up as a different time-line now. The future is ever changing, as well as know. Decisions affect everything. I think it's still a toss up. Sure, Fray's existence didn't end...but that doesn't mean that the time-line has shifted, fragmented in a new direction. Sheesh why can't they just be happy! I'd like that actually.
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 1, 2009 21:20:10 GMT -5
I happen to believe that the concept of "ripples" was planted so that it can be reasonably assumed that there is one time line, not an infinite number of alternate universes one for every choice we make. Therefore what we see is for all practical purposes set in stone.
Personally I have been reflecting today about why it had to be Buffy. When Buffy staked FW, a huge bolt of energy was released. Perhaps it wasn't Buffy needed to do the deed, but rather the scythe. But then why not Melaka? Before Buffy even showed up in the future?
I see two possible scenarios:
One, based on the scythe, that FW was necessary to open the portal back and Melaka's scythe was soon after destroyed, so Buffy's scythe was needed to end FW.
Two, based on Buffy herself, that Willow wanted Buffy to end her. Either simply because of their bond or Willow felt it was only fair because Willow killed Buffy (or took responsibility for her death).
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Post by VampSlayer on Jan 1, 2009 21:41:08 GMT -5
i think that when saga vasuki said don't look when you pull buffy out of the time space warp thingy, she meant that that could be what changes willow into dark willow and stopping her from looking stopped the darkness from manifesting Same thing I got too. |
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Post by Emmie on Jan 1, 2009 21:45:57 GMT -5
i think that when saga vasuki said don't look when you pull buffy out of the time space warp thingy, she meant that that could be what changes willow into dark willow and stopping her from looking stopped the darkness from manifesting Same thing I got too. Except future Dark-ish Willow wasn't evil. She was a woman who'd lived for two centuries in order to bring Buffy into the future and then send her back. Future Dark-ish Willow wasn't corrupted by dark magic but rather used that magic to live long enough to complete her mission. A mission that wasn't self-serving or motivated by grief like Willow in Season 6. Why would present Willow be corrupted by seeing her future self orchestrating this complex plan where no good guys get hurt but rather serves to show Buffy the future and leads to her Future self's death? In my opinion, there was no darkness that would corrupt Willow. She was told not to look by Saga Vasuki because Future Willow didn't want her past self to have this knowledge of the future. It was meant only for Buffy. Future Willow wanted her past self in the dark. That's my reading. That Vasuki was told by Future Willow to not let her past self see. |
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Post by wenxina on Jan 1, 2009 21:50:05 GMT -5
The way I read it, the events of ToYL will inevitably happen. Willow doesn't know anything of this future as she was blindfolded, and from #20, it doesn't seem that Buffy has said anything to her yet. In fact, it actually sounds like Buffy will not be saying anything to Willow about the future, as trying to change the future may lead to unpredictable consequences, some presumably worse than Fray's future. Together, I took it to mean that had Willow peeked at the future, she might have tried to change the future, and this could have had disastrous results. Saga didn't want the timeline messed with, so she requested that Willow not look. Angel's advice to Buffy goes along the same line of logic.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 3, 2009 8:19:20 GMT -5
^ Yeah, that's where I'm at too. But if true it does mean we have in fact seen Willow's death... and man is she gonna have a crappy life.
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