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Post by Mathieu on Jan 19, 2009 20:10:12 GMT -5
^^ yeah, that's a really cool theory. but i've been thinking about Twilight, and from what we've seen so far, i don't think it can actually be anyone from her past. i think it's a brand new character. it's not Riley, or Warren, or Angel or Giles. so unless it's Scott Hope, i think he's a brand new guy. Why not Giles? I missed that part. I think the fans would be highly disappointed if it turned out to be a completely new character because they built some kind of suspens around the idea of Twilight being someone we know. Remember when Twilight almost dropped the mask in one issue? |
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Post by Just Willow on Jan 19, 2009 22:23:37 GMT -5
yeah, that's what made me think it was a past guy. i just thought it wouldn't be Giles. he's not that muscly.
plus, Buffy would recognize his voice, right? if it was someone she knew, she'd be all like "i know that voice....hey! it's [insert name here]!!!"
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 19, 2009 22:32:37 GMT -5
yeah, that's what made me think it was a past guy. i just thought it wouldn't be Giles. he's not that muscly. plus, Buffy would recognize his voice, right? if it was someone she knew, she'd be all like "i know that voice....hey! it's [insert name here]!!!" Maybe he or she disguised their voice or something. Man, I really want to know who Twilight really is!! |
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Post by Just Willow on Jan 19, 2009 22:51:04 GMT -5
me too! i wonder how soon he/she'll be revealed.
i have a feeling it's a guy, though. The chest gives it away a bit, unless she's a very flat-chested girl, i think it's a guy, lol.
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Post by patxshand on Jan 19, 2009 22:55:24 GMT -5
Don't think it's crazy talk at all. Does Willow, at that point in time, honestly seem like she wants to live?
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 19, 2009 23:30:45 GMT -5
Don't think it's crazy talk at all. Does Willow, at that point in time, honestly seem like she wants to live? No no, what I'm saying is that indeed Willow didn't sound like she wanted to live on so she pushed Buffy to kill her, only not for the reason some people brought up, that she only wanted to get Buffy ready to kill her friends or something. I still think she felt bad because she actually killed Buffy in the... future past. And we're back to the topic of this thread! |
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 20, 2009 19:33:20 GMT -5
So basically so far 5 people think Willow WILL eventually kill Buffy in the near future. 6 people are not sure but do not discard the possibility of it. Now three people are certain she would NEVER do that. But I'm surprised to see that nobody thinks Willow did want to face Buffy and kill her at the end of Issue 19. Really people? 100% of you all think she was waiting for her certain death?  |
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Post by sarahi on Jan 20, 2009 22:16:31 GMT -5
What really stood out for me in that arc was some of the stuff said in Issue 19, like a reference to the 20th Century and not the 21st, and if that's irrelevant there's also some indication of dimensional shifting after Buffy crossed back over. Do you remember the white and then the sliding of the frame? It seemed like maybe that specific reality had been moved or something, perhaps becoming like the Sunnydale that Anyanka created that Giles changed into what I think Anya called a temporal fold. Anyway, that's what I choose to believe. I'm not saying that tragedy isn't coming, though. I gathered from an interview that Xander's days could be numbered. I also can't think of anything else that would drive Willow to go dark again. Thanks to Saga Vasuki she's teetering on the brink and a blow to her best friend/would-be boyfriend would push her. I'm pretty sure her turning on Buffy in Empty Places had a lot to do with Xander losing his eye. I don't think Buffy sleeping with Xander would do a lot of damage because Willow is always so emphatic about being gay.
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Post by Nicholas on Jan 20, 2009 23:16:47 GMT -5
Maybe Buffy killing Future Willow prevented Present Willow from ever ending up that way.
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 21, 2009 0:12:50 GMT -5
What really stood out for me in that arc was some of the stuff said in Issue 19, like a reference to the 20th Century and not the 21st, and if that's irrelevant there's also some indication of dimensional shifting after Buffy crossed back over. Do you remember the white and then the sliding of the frame? It seemed like maybe that specific reality had been moved or something, perhaps becoming like the Sunnydale that Anyanka created that Giles changed into what I think Anya called a temporal fold. Anyway, that's what I choose to believe. I'm not saying that tragedy isn't coming, though. I gathered from an interview that Xander's days could be numbered. I also can't think of anything else that would drive Willow to go dark again. Thanks to Saga Vasuki she's teetering on the brink and a blow to her best friend/would-be boyfriend would push her. I'm pretty sure her turning on Buffy in Empty Places had a lot to do with Xander losing his eye. I don't think Buffy sleeping with Xander would do a lot of damage because Willow is always so emphatic about being gay. I know!!! I picked up on that before, I mean on the 20th century thing. I don't think it was intended though, just a stupid mistake most people overlooked. But you really personnally think it's some kind of temporal fold?? I don't think so. Buffy comes back to the exact same moment she left. The same timeline continues. |
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 21, 2009 0:14:06 GMT -5
Maybe Buffy killing Future Willow prevented Present Willow from ever ending up that way. That theory, I don't really get actually. How can something that happens in the future change the present? |
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Post by sarahi on Jan 21, 2009 18:52:30 GMT -5
I know!!! I picked up on that before, I mean on the 20th century thing. I don't think it was intended though, just a stupid mistake most people overlooked. But you really personnally think it's some kind of temporal fold?? I don't think so. Buffy comes back to the exact same moment she left. The same timeline continues. Buffy would have come back to the past/present and have nothing different because there's no way to change the past, unless an alternate reality was created. Think of it like a computer program: If Buffy knows what Willow is still capable of Then Buffy will consider the knowledge and experience when making future decisions concerning Willow, writing a new future along the way and turning the other future into an alternate reality accessible to dark witches, warlocks, and sorcerers and demons like Illyria. Else Buffy never saw the TOYL future and doesn't know that Willow is a time bomb and that future still applies. Maybe Buffy not telling Willow what she saw will be the cause of it happening anyway, but there's also the chance that Willow's problem was something else that can be avoided without a lot of explanation. |
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 21, 2009 20:41:01 GMT -5
Well it's all about what you just said. Personnally I think that whatever the future has in store, and in my opinion it is inevitably Willow going dark again, it will be the consequences of Buffy going into the future and coming back with the knowledge of what she saw. Either she doesn't try to warn Willow and somehow it's gonna lead to her going evil again,or else she does try to warn her and it will trigger, somehow, her going evil anyway. I think the future is MEANT TO HAPPEN. It just makes sense. If you have different futures it messes everything up, nothing makes sense a la Charmed kind of thing.
But if I'm wrong, you're pretty convincing with your theory of alternate reality.
I'm pretty sure people are getting a headache reading us!!
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Post by Nicholas on Jan 27, 2009 14:11:33 GMT -5
I have two theories:
1- FW had Buffy kill her to have to come to terms with the fact that she will have to kill Willow one day. Perhaps the Future Willow we saw did something horrible and Buffy loved her too much to stop her.
2- Time is fluid and it was a temporal even as explained by Willow. It effected past, future and present so maybe Buffy killing her in the Future prevented her from being evil in the present.
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Post by Mathieu on Feb 12, 2009 19:57:12 GMT -5
I don't really understand the notion of time being fluid. How can something that happens centuries ahead in the future could have an impact on the present time?
Also, as far as your first theory is concerned, if Future Willow wanted to prepare Buffy to kill her... in the past if I understand you correctly, that would mean that she intends to change the future for her pastself... but does she really care?? I mean it doesn't change her Present. No matter what Buffy does in the past, her reality is not going to be modified... that's why by the way i think future can't be altered, what is meant to happen will happen. there's only one timeline, or else it becomes a mess.
To me the only thing that makes sense would be that Willow did something horrible (maybe she killed Buffy) and she wants the Buffy from the past to kill her to make it up to her in some way.
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