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Post by Mathieu on Jan 18, 2009 13:10:48 GMT -5
So careful gentle readers, this poll might turn out to be pretty spoilery if you haven't read the Time of Your Life arc completely yet.
I am very excited because I just got back in the US and now I can go to the local comic book store to buy my comics and I just bought the five latest issues and I'm FINALLY up to date like the rest of you. Feels good. I was so behind back in France. Anyway, never mind the random train of thoughts.
So for those who read the last issue of Time of Your Life, we now know that Buffy went into the future and found out that Willow is going to turn back into Dark Willow at some point in the future. We just don't know when and why. Buffy time traveling to find out about this was meant to be since Future Dark Willow knows that she is supposed to meet with Buffy two centuries after Buffy (probably) dies. And it's interesting to see how Willow almost seems to want Buffy to kill her. Almost like it would be some kind of relief, like a burden off her shoulders. See how she's tormented and tortured. It's like she feels really bad about something.
Some people here suggested interesting theories. Do you also think Future Willow wanted the Buffy from the Past to kill her because she actually killed Buffy herself later in the past? So that things would go full circle?
It's a beautiful theory in my opinion.
Give me your opinion on the subject.
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Post by Joe on Jan 18, 2009 13:49:37 GMT -5
I think it would be an interesting end to the entire series if Willow, Buffy's best friend, realizes that she's a threat to the world, and has to end her existence for the greater good. I'm not saying it's the best ending, nor am I saying that Buffy is becoming a threat to the world, but if we ended up there.. it would be ok in my eyes.
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Post by Rebecca on Jan 18, 2009 13:59:41 GMT -5
I can't decide if Willow will kill Buffy at all.
Her need for Buffy to kill her in Issue #19 might have spawned from grief from living for so long, and wanting to see Buffy before her death.
It could also be because Willow did kill Buffy in the past and felt it was only fair. It is difficult to say, the issue didn't give much more than Willow wanting Buffy to end her unnaturally long life. So it is hard to speculate under what circumstances Willow will kill Buffy, if indeed that is where Joss is going. I think it is more probable that Willow will feel responsible for Buffy's eventual death, when she had no direct hand.
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Post by VampSlayer on Jan 18, 2009 14:03:10 GMT -5
I'm gonna make this post very simple...
Maybe. xD
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 18, 2009 15:01:42 GMT -5
I know, it's really hard for me to tell too, even though I created this poll!!
I think that Willow will kill Buffy though. It would make so much sense. I just want to know in what circumstances. I'm going to re-read the arc Time of Your Life and I will post again.
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Post by Malsad on Jan 18, 2009 17:10:18 GMT -5
I think it would be an interesting end to the entire series if Willow, Buffy's best friend, realizes that she's a threat to the world, and has to end her existence for the greater good. I'm not saying it's the best ending, nor am I saying that Buffy is becoming a threat to the world, but if we ended up there.. it would be ok in my eyes. Actuly, that could realy be an amazing ending to the Series (not realy shure why i cap that, but what ever)
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Post by Just Willow on Jan 18, 2009 17:14:52 GMT -5
i would say yeah, beause in Time of Your Life 4 she brought Buffy to the future so Buffy would kill her. Willow didn't want to be evil, and now she won't kill Buffy because she'll need her in teh future to kill Dark Willow.
does that make sense?
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 18, 2009 17:34:46 GMT -5
Mmm... No!! Can you rephrase it?
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Post by Nicholas on Jan 18, 2009 18:00:08 GMT -5
Its a possibility but I will be really disappointed if that's the route that it takes. VERY angry.
Although it makes sense in that way of think, they already explored the theme of overthrowing their leader and betrayal. I would be very unhappy if that's how it turned out.
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 19, 2009 11:47:49 GMT -5
It's interesting to see that (so far and according to the poll) nobody thinks Willow won't or wouldn't kill Buffy no matter what. Everybody says that she will or might kill her in the future. They've come so far in the Buffyverse that nothing's off the table now. Even Buffy's best friend herself kiling Buffy. I guess Season 6 started it all.
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 19, 2009 14:07:24 GMT -5
Trying to think that thru, I'm starting to wonder if Joss Whedon would have the guts to do that to his fans, to end the series on such a negative note, you know, Buffy being killed by her best friend for the greater good. I mean it would be a fantastic way to end the story of BTVS, it would make the whole thing go full circle and if you think about it, it would be pretty ironic if Buffy died in the 21st century knowing that her "Past Her" is meant to come back by time traveling two centuries later to take her revenge, in some kind of twisted way.
But the fans would be disappointed, blah blah blah....
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Post by Nicholas on Jan 19, 2009 15:44:08 GMT -5
I personally don't think that she will kill Buffy. I don't think that's a good ending to the series at all and I don't think that Joss would do that to the Buffy fans.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 19, 2009 16:27:01 GMT -5
I don't think it will happen, mainly because it's expected. Joss' work is not predictable.
...Maybe Willow will kill Buffy just because I don't expect it... Damn...
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Post by Just Willow on Jan 19, 2009 17:13:19 GMT -5
Mmm... No!! Can you rephrase it? okay, this is what i got. Willow went evil, and over the 200 years, Buffy died. Evil Willow doesn't like how she turned out. she hates herself and ants to die. but she says that it;s more important about 'who kills someone, not who dies'. She wants Buffy to kill her. Dark Willow pulls Buffy into future. Buffy kills Dark Willow. problem solved. Willow will not ill Buffy, because she wants her around in case she goes evil and needs to be killed. make sense now?
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 19, 2009 17:32:39 GMT -5
Mmm... No!! Can you rephrase it? okay, this is what i got. Willow went evil, and over the 200 years, Buffy died. Evil Willow doesn't like how she turned out. she hates herself and ants to die. but she says that it;s more important about 'who kills someone, not who dies'. She wants Buffy to kill her. Dark Willow pulls Buffy into future. Buffy kills Dark Willow. problem solved. Willow will not ill Buffy, because she wants her around in case she goes evil and needs to be killed. make sense now? Wow, thanks for trying to make it clearer. I'm still kinda confused with your theory though. Are you suggesting Current Willow would not kill Buffy if she turned evil because she would consider the idea of being killed by her in case she becomes out of control, she would even consider the idea of having Buffy time travel in the future in case she's not around anymore? I am not sure it makes a lot of sense. First of all, would she really want to keep Buffy around if she went evil again? When you are evil you don't really plan on getting killed!! That's non-sense. Buffy would simply become her worst enemy. Second of all, let's consider she wants Buffy to kill her when she realizes she's going down the wrong path again... if it's all about bringing Buffy back through time traveling, Buffy doesn't need to live on. Current Willow already knows that at some point in the past Buffy is brought to the future, since it already happened. She can guess that's this is the precise point in the timeline where she will go get her in the future when she needs her. Know what I'm sayin'?
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Post by patxshand on Jan 19, 2009 17:41:20 GMT -5
Way I see it, the only reason Future Willow had Buffy kill her was because wanted Buffy prepared to kill someone close to her (maybe Willow herself, maybe Riley, maybe whoever Twilight turns out to be) in the present.
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Post by Just Willow on Jan 19, 2009 18:05:48 GMT -5
okay, this is what i got. Willow went evil, and over the 200 years, Buffy died. Evil Willow doesn't like how she turned out. she hates herself and ants to die. but she says that it;s more important about 'who kills someone, not who dies'. She wants Buffy to kill her. Dark Willow pulls Buffy into future. Buffy kills Dark Willow. problem solved. Willow will not ill Buffy, because she wants her around in case she goes evil and needs to be killed. make sense now? Wow, thanks for trying to make it clearer. I'm still kinda confused with your theory though. Are you suggesting Current Willow would not kill Buffy if she turned evil because she would consider the idea of being killed by her in case she becomes out of control, she would even consider the idea of having Buffy time travel in the future in case she's not around anymore? I am not sure it makes a lot of sense. First of all, would she really want to keep Buffy around if she went evil again? When you are evil you don't really plan on getting killed!! That's non-sense. Buffy would simply become her worst enemy. Second of all, let's consider she wants Buffy to kill her when she realizes she's going down the wrong path again... if it's all about bringing Buffy back through time traveling, Buffy doesn't need to live on. Current Willow already knows that at some point in the past Buffy is brought to the future, since it already happened. She can guess that's this is the precise point in the timeline where she will go get her in the future when she needs her. Know what I'm sayin'? now i don't even understand my own theory! i dunno. it makes sense in my head, but i'm also crazy so...
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 19, 2009 19:01:01 GMT -5
Way I see it, the only reason Future Willow had Buffy kill her was because wanted Buffy prepared to kill someone close to her (maybe Willow herself, maybe Riley, maybe whoever Twilight turns out to be) in the present. That's pretty interesting. I hadn't thought of it like this.
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Post by Just Willow on Jan 19, 2009 19:51:11 GMT -5
^^ yeah, that's a really cool theory.
but i've been thinking about Twilight, and from what we've seen so far, i don't think it can actually be anyone from her past. i think it's a brand new character. it's not Riley, or Warren, or Angel or Giles. so unless it's Scott Hope, i think he's a brand new guy.
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Post by Mathieu on Jan 19, 2009 20:03:43 GMT -5
Way I see it, the only reason Future Willow had Buffy kill her was because wanted Buffy prepared to kill someone close to her (maybe Willow herself, maybe Riley, maybe whoever Twilight turns out to be) in the present. It's kind of farfetched and twisted in a way but why not? Although it wouldn't make sense for Future Willow to prepare Buffy to kill her in our current time, because if Willow died in the present that would mean that there's no longer a Future Dark Willow, so Buffy would have changed the Future... Can she do that? I think everything is meant to be. And it would be crazy to know that Buffy killed both Current Willow and a Future Willow that will never exist. Can you follow my crazy train of thoughts? And I still think it's crazy talk to think Future Willow would sacrifice herself just to have Buffy get used to the idea that sometimes, ya know, you have to kill your friends.
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