Doyle ! :(

[BennyTheKey]

OK, i know i keep saying it in like EVERY post, but yeah watching angel,
and Doyle Died, ! Why ?!
Basically wanted to know, does the show still carry on to be good, and does Doyle ever make another appearance ?

[Skytteflickan88]

The show gets better, but no, no Doyle, sorry. But he is mentioned and remembered by Angel.

[Wyndam]

The show got better every season (imo), and no Doyle doesn't return. His purpose was to just get Angel going on his mission and once he did, time to die and tug on those heartstrings.

[Spike]

They intended to kill Doyle off from the start, they did make plans on bringing him back later on but the actor who plays him Glen Quin unfortunately died. I really hope they bring him back in After The Fall, because I allways felt the character had much more to offer and plus he's one of my favorites.

[El Diablo Robotico]

There are two main reasons generally given for Doyle's departure from the show. The first, directly from Joss, was that Doyle was always intended to be a short-term character, and that he was included in the opening credits to make you believe he was going to be a regular, and make his death more shocking when it happened. Joss said he wanted to do something similar on "Buffy", by including Jesse in the opening credits of "Welcome to the Hellmouth" and "The Harvest", but they didn't have the money to afford a separate set of credits just for those two episodes.

The other reason often given is that the actor, Glenn Quinn, had a serious drug problem (he died of an overdose three years later), and that they tried to make it work with him on the show, but it just got too difficult, and they couldn't rely on him, and had to let him go. The evidence to support this (besides his later death) is how rushed the episode "Hero" feels, with the lame Nazi-demon plotline, and most of the teaser being cannabilized from the original script from the second episode (which the network rejected for being "too dark").

My own feeling is that it was probably a little of both. I think they probably intended to kill Doyle off, like Joss says, but a little later on--the end of season 1, maybe--but his personal problems just forced them to do it sooner than they'd originally wanted.

It's so sad, too, because he was a great character, and a great actor...

[henzINNIT]

Apr 10, 2008 14:53:32 GMT -5 El Diablo Robotico said:

The other reason often given is that the actor, Glenn Quinn, had a serious drug problem (he died of an overdose three years later), and that they tried to make it work with him on the show, but it just got too difficult, and they couldn't rely on him, and had to let him go. The evidence to support this (besides his later death) is how rushed the episode "Hero" feels, with the lame Nazi-demon plotline, and most of the teaser being cannabilized from the original script from the second episode (which the network rejected for being "too dark")

Is this any kind of official idea? Or just something fueled by his overdose?

I heard the character was hard to write, but many people on set had a great relationship with him; particularly David Boreanaz. Glenn taught him to play the drums, lol. Doesn't make the statement above false really, but I've not read any real evidence. Early Angel was pretty glossed over.

I love Doyle. Favourite Joss-verse character.

[El Diablo Robotico]

Apr 10, 2008 15:02:29 GMT -5 henzINNIT said:

Is this any kind of official idea? Or just something fueled by his overdose?

It's just the #1 reason I've been hearing online ever since I started watching the show. Anytime someone asks "Why'd Doyle leave?", you'll usually hear "He was fired because of his drug problem." I don't think anybody's ever come right out and said that--really, what reason is there for them to do that, especially now?--but I know I once heard David Fury make a veiled comment about it. It was 2, 3, maybe 4 years ago, and I don't remember the specifics, but he was asked something about possibly working with someone who had problems in their personal life, and he said something like, "Joss has already gone through that on 'Angel', and it didn't work out so well."

[henzINNIT]

Apr 10, 2008 15:13:09 GMT -5 El Diablo Robotico said:

Apr 10, 2008 15:02:29 GMT -5 henzINNIT said:

Is this any kind of official idea? Or just something fueled by his overdose?

It's just the #1 reason I've been hearing online ever since I started watching the show. Anytime someone asks "Why'd Doyle leave?", you'll usually hear "He was fired because of his drug problem." I don't think anybody's ever come right out and said that--really, what reason is there for them to do that, especially now?--but I know I once heard David Fury make a veiled comment about it. It was 2, 3, maybe 4 years ago, and I don't remember the specifics, but he was asked something about possibly working with someone who had problems in their personal life, and he said something like, "Joss has already gone through that on 'Angel', and it didn't work out so well."

Oooh. Ah well it all turned out for the best show-wise. I bet they brought back Wesley because they were scared of casting any new (and therefore risky) actors then

To the thread starter. Stick with Angel. The loss of Doyle is hard.... but you'll love his replacement.

[BennyTheKey]

O M G , the actual actor DIED ?!



gezze ! he was such a good characther ! =[

and with cordillia !

=[ Ill carry on watching though ,

[henzINNIT]

Yeah Glenn Quinn died a couple of years after his part ended. Heroin overdose. There's an "In Loving Memory" message in the end credits of "Long Day's Journey"... but as that's a season 4 episode you have a while til then hehe

[gunslingerdante]

The Buffy/Angel book "Monster Island" is a pretty good tribute to Doyle.

[themaleslayer]

I honestly didn't like Doyle that much.

[alycat7]

Doyle was ok. He just wasn't around long enough to have an impact on me when he died.

[Neil]

I think the character was very sympathic and I don´t see why they aren´t bringing the character back now in comic book form.

Now that Wesley and Fred are gone we need some replacement: So why not using Doyle and probably Kate Lockley for a bit.

I would love to see that.

[lightandmagic]

They probably aren't bringing his character back in comic format because:

a) Story-wise, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Yes both Cordelia and Wesley were dead and we got to see them but they had special circumstances, Wesley being tied to his contract with Wolfram and Hart and Cordelia ascending to become a Higher Power. He also wouldn't have the visions anymore, he just wouldn't serve a purpose, really, other than being a nice familiar face.

b) And way more importantly, it's incredibly strange to use his character now that the Glenn Quinn is dead. Drawing his likeness page after page? It's kind of morbid, and I highly doubt both writers and artists would be incredibly comfortable with doing it. Especially considering the storyline in Season 5 with Lindsey pretending to be Doyle made a couple people feel uncomfortable, especially Boreanaz and Christian Kane (purportedly at least). It's just like how I highly doubt that we'll see Lorne again (I'm sorry, I can't remember if/when and what he does in the comics so far, I think he made an appaearance but I honestly can't remember) cause now that Andy Hallet is deceased it would be very strange and awkward to keep using his likeness time and time again.
It's really sad that both of them died so young. =[

[Neil]

Yes, that´s sad ;-(

I just liked Doyle very much and thought he could have showed up, coming back from the Powers That Be or being transformed after his death to a Higher Being.

But yeah, it´s pretty morbid to draw the face, I guess. I haven´t thought about that.

In terms of Lorne, I hope they give the character a good way out. A nice farewell with the last words of goodbye by the left behind being in somehow reminiscent of Andy Hallet.

[Hallow Thorn]

Jun 24, 2009 2:52:44 GMT -5 lightandmagic said:

They probably aren't bringing his character back in comic format because:

a) Story-wise, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Yes both Cordelia and Wesley were dead and we got to see them but they had special circumstances, Wesley being tied to his contract with Wolfram and Hart and Cordelia ascending to become a Higher Power. He also wouldn't have the visions anymore, he just wouldn't serve a purpose, really, other than being a nice familiar face.

Yeah, Cordelia and Wesley had very special circumstances, but they could always have him in Flash-backs or TPTB Darla visions..

[mary]

The show completely sucks after Doyle's death. And the producers admited losing raitings. But instead of getting Doyle back in our lives we heared of Glenn Quinn's death december 3, 2002... I was shocked like many others when I heared of it, then I tried to find out more on his death and found the whole story VERY veird... His death was so hush-hush and strange and so uncomplete (especially the part about drugs when we never EVER saw him being under drug influence. In LA when a tv star is addicted everyone knows about it. And Glenn was never a scandal person - at all...) I found some interesting facts on the story of his death - mariaksand.blog.ru/78574115.html

[BenTaylor3907]

Doyle does make a brief cameo appearance in season 5!

I really like Doyle's character too. At least he went out like a champ!

[Erica]

I don't really think the show sucks after Doyle's death...after all, he was only in 9 episodes! I do think that most of the best episodes of season 1 had Doyle in them, but I don't think it's because of him. But as for the whole series sucking after that, I don't think so. I liked Doyle but he was never my favorite Angel character.