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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 16, 2008 2:10:15 GMT -5
hehe That sounds scary. I'm KARMA'D! Oh no!
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spurtyknowledge
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Post by spurtyknowledge on Sept 16, 2008 18:48:10 GMT -5
The most probable conjecture, in my honest opinion, is that Angel did tell Buffy in Season 6 - recall that meeting we were never privied to onscreen? Yeah, there. Great post though Skytte.
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Post by Emmie on Sept 16, 2008 21:39:19 GMT -5
The most probable conjecture, in my honest opinion, is that Angel did tell Buffy in Season 6 - recall that meeting we were never privied to onscreen? Yeah, there. Spurty, that meeting happened before Connor was born or Angel knew Darla was pregnant.
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Post by CowboyGuy on Sept 16, 2008 23:07:58 GMT -5
I'm sure Buffy knows. She must, there was probably a phone conversation somewhere that we didn't see.
Also, the point of Willow going and seeming to know Connor also helps to support this.
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Post by siredbyspike on Sept 17, 2008 5:03:42 GMT -5
Well, first of, I think she would ask "Sex? You had sex!?! We couldn't be together because of the curse, and my so called future? It's okay, it's okay, I guess you've done research and figured out that you can have sex without turning evil, you knew that for a fact.... No? You were depressed and didn't care? YOU COULD HAVE ENDED THE WORLD FOR ALL YOU KNEW? Oh, he's named after your dad. That's so sweet, I've never heard you talk about your parents. So, who's the mother? DARLA? And you let her live, after the sex, to kill thousand of knew lives? Oh yeah, I get if you'd done that Connor wouldn't be alive, but you didn't know that did you, when you sent her out of town saying 'If you come back I'll kill you'" What kind of many-pandy-slandy is that? Oh I let you live that time in the mall??? I was 17, had just lost my virginity and stilled loved you. You had already killed Darla once!! You're 200 years old, get over yourself! Oh a picture! He's cute." That might be a tiny bit what Buffy would say, but mostly, that was me. Haha Skytte! For this the Karma Fairy visits you! LMFAO
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Post by Mathieu on Sept 20, 2008 4:37:43 GMT -5
This is a shame though that we never got to see Buffy's reaction and that no matter when she found out it never seemed to really affect her in BTVS. Because seriously her only love (well supposedly her only love) who is supposed to be unable to perform with anyone because of the curse happens to become a dad whereas he's a vampire and this defies everything in nature, she could have been shaken up a little! But well she was too busy doing it with Spike.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 23, 2008 4:20:41 GMT -5
This is a shame though that we never got to see Buffy's reaction and that no matter when she found out it never seemed to really affect her in BTVS. Because seriously her only love (well supposedly her only love) who is supposed to be unable to perform with anyone because of the curse happens to become a dad whereas he's a vampire and this defies everything in nature, she could have been shaken up a little! But well she was too busy doing it with Spike. Now your assuming that she was told. Her lack or reaction actally argues that she wasn't.
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Post by Enisy on Sept 23, 2008 4:48:53 GMT -5
I don't think she was told, either. Joss has stated that she didn't (still doesn't) even know about Cordelia -- why would she know about Connor?
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Post by henzINNIT on Sept 28, 2008 4:56:47 GMT -5
She must have been told. It was not only shown that Willow learnt of Angel's son, it was shown that she knew who Connor was without an introduction. I see no reason to believe Willow could have known without Buffy knowing too.
Of course it's very likely that now neither of them know anymore, as the memory of Angel's son was wiped at the end of Angel season 4.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Sept 28, 2008 5:44:17 GMT -5
I figure that Fred told Willow over the phone, to make sure that there were no surprises.
Angel telling Buffy that she has a son is too big to have of screen.
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Post by henzINNIT on Sept 28, 2008 17:04:49 GMT -5
... Too irrelevent to the plot of either season to take up screen time imo.
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Post by BenTaylor3907 on Sept 28, 2008 17:35:27 GMT -5
I think she would be mostly appalled to the fact that Darla and Angel did "The Nasty". Don't get me wrong, she would be surprised of a vampire giving birth to a human and that he is around Dawn's age. But this is the Buffyverse so she probably wouldn't think to much of it. I hope they would have an Aunt/Nephew type of relationship if they ever met.
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Post by antoniofjm on Jun 13, 2009 3:25:39 GMT -5
How is it that when Willow came to LA she already knew and didn't seem surprised? yet Buffy doesn't? my guess is Buffy is gonna be mad to know Willow didn't tell her and also be jealous of Darla.
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Post by vampireinrug on Jun 13, 2009 16:38:35 GMT -5
Buffy finds out about Connor in the non-canon comic "Note from the Underground" and she seems pretty cool with it.
I'm guessing Willow found out about Connor from Fred on the phone. I don't think she'd have told Buffy because they were both pretty distracted with the First Evil at the time. I doubt Willow would want to bring up something that would be emotionly painful at a time like this.
Even if Willow did tell Buffy, after the Wolfram and Hart mindwipe spell, it should cause both of them to forget all about him.
So at this point neither of them should know.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jun 13, 2009 16:41:47 GMT -5
I don't think she was told, either. Joss has stated that she didn't (still doesn't) even know about Cordelia -- why would she know about Connor? Well, to be fair, Buffy has a little less of an emotional stake in knowing about Cordy than about Connor - even though Cordy was helping her by the end of the high school years, they weren't exactly close. BenTaylor's got the right idea I think - remember when Cordy first found out Angel had slept with Darla? She was so back into Queen Bee mode, you could smell the anger emanating from the television screen. And let's not forget Buffy/Angel's final meeting on-screen in "Chosen".
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Post by Reluctant Hero on Jun 15, 2009 21:41:54 GMT -5
Buffy: "AND NO ONE TOLD ME THIS WHY? You had Willow giving you weekly updates about everything I was doing and you couldn't drop a lie to say you had a KID?!!? A KID Angel? Seriously. You freaked out when you found out about Riley but come on you had SEX WITH DARLA!!!"
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 16, 2009 0:54:21 GMT -5
Angel: You've had sex with Spike. SPIKE!! Of all people, you slept with SPIKE!!....so, how you been?
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Post by buffyfan21 on Jun 16, 2009 4:52:45 GMT -5
Just curious... what do you guys think about Buffy in Angel season 1? She made two appearances and I hate both of those episodes because she is SOO whiny. Those are pretty much the only two episodes where I literally can't stand Buffy. I cringe whenever I hear her "Do you know how it made me feel to see you with her (Faith)?" in her whiny voice... then she punches Angel for trying to help her. Drives me nuts! Glad to see I am not the only one who has thought this. I love Buffy, but on Angel it's like the writers almost went out of their way to make Buffy appear as cold and bitchy as possible. She had her reasons sure, but in some instances I felt she was just too harsh and abrasive with Angel, very different from how she normally comes across, in my opinion. It's as if the writers were trying to make her unlikeable to viewers, or appear as the antagonist to Angel. Maybe this was done for the benefit of viewers who were not familiar with the character outside of Angel? But if this is the case I feel it was really doing a disservice to Buffy's character as she normally does not come off that way, or at least not so much so. Maybe the writers just wanted to keep both worlds as separate and distinct as possible for those who weren't familiar with both shows, so it became easy to paint Buffy as the antagonist in that sense? Even at the beginning of IWRY she came off as rather bitchy. She was understandably upset, sure, but it just seemed a little much, imo. I dunno, I love Buffy dearly, but something about her appearances on Angel have always just rubbed me the wrong way.
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Post by gumgnome on Jun 16, 2009 5:17:21 GMT -5
Just curious... what do you guys think about Buffy in Angel season 1? She made two appearances and I hate both of those episodes because she is SOO whiny. Those are pretty much the only two episodes where I literally can't stand Buffy. I cringe whenever I hear her "Do you know how it made me feel to see you with her (Faith)?" in her whiny voice... then she punches Angel for trying to help her. Drives me nuts! Glad to see I am not the only one who has thought this. I love Buffy, but on Angel it's like the writers almost went out of their way to make Buffy appear as cold and bitchy as possible. She had her reasons sure, but in some instances I felt she was just too harsh and abrasive with Angel, very different from how she normally comes across, in my opinion. It's as if the writers were trying to make her unlikeable to viewers, or appear as the antagonist to Angel. Maybe this was done for the benefit of viewers who were not familiar with the character outside of Angel? But if this is the case I feel it was really doing a disservice to Buffy's character as she normally does not come off that way, or at least not so much so. Maybe the writers just wanted to keep both worlds as separate and distinct as possible for those who weren't familiar with both shows, so it became easy to paint Buffy as the antagonist in that sense? Even at the beginning of IWRY she came off as rather bitchy. She was understandably upset, sure, but it just seemed a little much, imo. I dunno, I love Buffy dearly, but something about her appearances on Angel have always just rubbed me the wrong way. Remember that in Angel S1 she is always going to L.A. to see her ex who dumped her, and at times when she's not very happy with him. She's gonna be bitchy. I think the only time she really steps out of line with him is at the end of Sanctuary when she becomes incredibly self-involved about the Faith/Angel issue. When Angel calls her on busting on his turf, she immediately moves to openly trying to hurt him emotionally, a cheap blow. I think it's pretty decent of Angel to go to Sunnydale to make it up to her after. I love Buffy in IWRY. In the sewers, I think she's totally in keeping with the kinds of conversations they had only about 6 months before in Sunnydale (e.g. at the beginning of Grad. Day Pt. 1). Possibly my favourite Buffy/Angel moment is when he walks out into the sunlight to go to her. That ep breaks my heart every time!
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Post by ptnewell on Jun 16, 2009 15:18:34 GMT -5
Skyteflickan88’s classic riff is entertaining. Yet Angel did research the consequences of sex with Darla in the most practical way: he spent several weeks (months?) having sex with her. This was in 1900, two years after his soul was restored (ending shortly after Spike killed his first Slayer). This is one of several reasons I am skeptical of the idea that Angel expected to lose his soul sleeping with Darla. Actually, given some of the other clear hints, I’d give the fellow a clean pass, were it not for his seemingly guilty conscience reaction afterward. Buffy surely knew about Connor (but later forgot). henzINNIT has it right: the issue is tangential to the flow of the show on BtVS, and would have been an awkward story telling distraction. But Faith, as well as Willow, knew about Connor, and both were telling Buffy bits about what happened in L.A. Faith, for example, was seen telling Buffy about being inside Angel’s mind. That bit fits in well with a theme from S7 BtVS, since Faith becomes a clear rival to Buffy (also, although Buffy has always been annoyed by Faith, nothing sends her as ballistic as Faith sniffing around Angel – not even sex with Riley). I doubt we are supposed to infer from this snippet that Faith (or Willow) never mentioned anything else about L.A. happenings. They just showed us the part which fit into S7 plot lines. (Did anyone else notice that it was supposed to be Willow who said hello to Buffy from Angel, but Faith took it upon herself to do so, much to Buffy’s skepticism?) I think Gumgnome nails why Buffy acts as she does visiting L.A. (it was Angel who broke up with her). In IWRY, there are several reminders of that, including some inklings in the sewer talk. More clear is after Angel turns human, but decides to take things very slowly. Buffy goes along, but gets crabbier and crabbier as he talks about the need to be cautious. Fortunately, she finally rests her hand on his, and … cavorting ensues. Likewise, as Gumgnome says, Buffy’s real blamable moment is the end of Sanctuary, where she deliberately hurts Angel (after giving him one last chance to admit he was wrong to be coddling, not to mention cuddling, Faith). Still, it is a classic take down. When Buffy and Angel physically fought in Becoming Pt. 2, it is epic, but Buffy pulls it out. Once he got his own series, Angel seemed a bit tougher, but Buffy would quite likely still win what would be a memorable battle. However a verbal battle is a complete mismatch. After he refuses to back down, giving her the “not in my town” line, she realizes a fight is unavoidable. She looks down, thinks for a few seconds, then destroys him in about 30 seconds flat. I know he supposedly tells her off, but he is almost crying, and confessing that he still loves her, as he does so. I think that is the only reason she lets him off then without any more damage. Also, her final words “Faith wins, again” aren’t true. Faith is in jail, just as Buffy wanted, and not under Angel’s protective wing. Buffy wins, again.
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