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Post by bullseye on Jan 17, 2009 11:04:21 GMT -5
did anyone else notice how different angelus' personality was in
season 4 of angel compared to how he was in season 2 of buffy???
in season 2 he was real smooth and calm while in season 4 of angel
he was kinda loud and arrogant (not that he wasnt arrogant in
season 2 but it just showed more in season 4)
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Post by bullseye on Jan 17, 2009 11:11:49 GMT -5
oh and theres another thing . remember when angelus first told spike wat a slayer was in 1880.
and right away spike wanted to fight her but angelus didnt cuz it wasnt worth the risk to him.
however
in season 4 of angel angelus didnt seem hesitant to fight faith at all. this doesnt make much
sense to me. unless angelus decided to change while he was trapped in angel all those years.
he also gladly fought buffy in season 2 but that can be easily explained with the fact that he
probably didnt think buffy had the heart to kill him.
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Post by henzINNIT on Jan 17, 2009 16:38:39 GMT -5
I don't think Angelus, or any vampire, has to be consistent. He's just a sadistic arsehole in general, and the Angelus that is freed from Angel is a reaction to life Angel's lived and Angelus has had to passively endure.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Jan 17, 2009 17:19:50 GMT -5
Well the real technical term that Angelus is different in season 4 of Angel than he is in season two of Buffy is because the network didn't want the MAIN charatcer evil in the first place, which is hard because that is the interesting thing about Angel/us.  So they came to a middle and decided to tone Angelus down. Notice that he doesn't exactly kill anyone whilst he is Angelus in season four and barley drinks blood as well. They hid all of this well by using his ability to manipulate others. So rather than just kill and bite he would twist everything and made the group turn on eachother. Very sneaky of both the network, the writers and Angelus.   |
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Post by patxshand on Jan 17, 2009 18:46:37 GMT -5
They definitely toned down the evil things he actually *accomplished* but the thing was--and this is the main difference for me between BtVS Angelus and AtS Angelus--is that they just made him so arch. Like the things he would say would just be the most absurdly sadistic things, which is BtVS was just one aspect of the character, but in AtS is almost defined him. I'm thinking things like "Rape you to death" and whatnot.
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Post by Greer on Jan 17, 2009 20:55:14 GMT -5
This is something that I've oft noticed with Angel/us. I always felt more convinced of his sadistic evilness(if that's a word, ha ha) in S2 of Buffy. I felt like David acted better as Angelus while he was on Buffy. I thought that there was something off(and that's just not the lack of leather pants; i.e. leather pants=Angelus).
He wasn't as evil by himself, in the actual doing of the evil activities. He was just really sneaky and got everyone to turn on each other and using people to get his ulterior motives accomplished(like tricking the Beast into fighting Faith so he could then kill the Beast). I'm not saying I enjoy Angel being sadistic, but in a way it was somehow more interesting and it was able to draw me into watching him a lot easier than regular Angel.
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jan 18, 2009 1:26:50 GMT -5
i really think it was just all the good Angel had done from buffy seasons 1-3 and angel seasons 1-3 is different than the year and a half from buffy and it wayyyy overwhelmed angelus.
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Post by patxshand on Jan 18, 2009 9:50:04 GMT -5
In the context of Season Four, that rings true, because that season totally sold the whole "Angelus" is a different entity than Angel, entirely. Which was odd for me though, because the entirety of Buffy and every other season of Angel didn't. Ah, Season Four. Not Angel's best.
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Post by bullseye on Jan 18, 2009 14:24:06 GMT -5
Notice that he doesn't exactly kill anyone whilst he is Angelus in season four-Whedonfan
doesnt he kill Liyla?
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Post by Wyndam on Jan 18, 2009 15:57:33 GMT -5
Notice that he doesn't exactly kill anyone whilst he is Angelus in season four-Whedonfan doesnt he kill Liyla? Nope, Lilah was killed by Cordy/Jasmine. Angelus just drank her blood after she was stabbed (resulting in the gang thinking Angelus killed her). Angelus only killed The Beast, and no humans. |
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Post by patxshand on Jan 18, 2009 15:58:36 GMT -5
Cordy (really Jasmine acting through her, though) killed Lilah.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Jan 18, 2009 17:15:53 GMT -5
I prefered Buffy's seductive-hiding-in-the-shadows-want-to-watch-you-scream-baby Angelus to Angel's I've-been-locked-up-way-too-long-is-going-to-be-as-creepy-and-loud-as-possible Angelus. I like the smoothness Angelus used to have to this more loud Angelus. I think the main reason Angelus has changed is because David plays Angel differently from before. As we speak of in the Angel's-voice-has-changed-or-whatnot-thread, David doesn't play mysterious anymore, so naturally, he will play Angelus differently now. Also, Angelus was locked up a lot in seasn 4 which means that he had to turn on the creepy since he couldn't torture anyone to be scary. And we do see more of him in season 4 than we did on Buffy, didn't we? So we get to know him better now. oh and theres another thing . remember when angelus first told spike wat a slayer was in 1880. and right away spike wanted to fight her but angelus didnt cuz it wasnt worth the risk to him. however in season 4 of angel angelus didnt seem hesitant to fight faith at all. this doesnt make much sense to me. unless angelus decided to change while he was trapped in angel all those years. he also gladly fought buffy in season 2 but that can be easily explained with the fact that he probably didnt think buffy had the heart to kill him. Wasn't Angelus tired of being on the run back then? I think that in season 4, he was more comfortable in himself and thought he could take care of himself. Besides, he must have thought that Faith would seek him out, so why run? Specially since he has fought her before and knows her moves. I also think that after being Angel for so many years, he wanted to fight. Back in the day, he hadn't been frustrated for decades. |
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Post by Nicholas on Feb 10, 2009 19:56:41 GMT -5
Yes, Angelus did seem different between Season 2 of Buffy and Season 4 of Angel, BUT I view it as a natural character progression for the character. Angelus was trapped inside Angels mind while he fought the good fight and did all these things. So, when Angelus is a tad bit more loud and arogant in S4, its just him getting a little cabin fever.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Feb 13, 2009 6:29:19 GMT -5
true. Because atleast when Angelus was trapped in Angel before he meet Buffy, Angel was miserable and un-champion-y and that probably made Angelus fell better about himself. But when Angel started to seriously do some good in the world, Angelus got piiiiiiiisssed.
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Post by Nina on Feb 13, 2009 8:19:52 GMT -5
There are some fanwanks/reasons why Angelus would be such a different guy. For me the most important ones are;
1. The enviroment, LA was one big chaos. He couldn't play his real games because there was no rest; his victims, the city and himself were not in the mood for mindgames. He had some rest when he was locked up and in the Hyperion, and he was quite on with his mindgames and creepiness. And he was alone, he had no Drusilla or Spike to back him up.
2. Too many people are attached to Angel. First there was just Buffy and all his attention could be spend on Buffy. But this time there were 5 friends, 1 son and in the last episodes also Faith. He couldn't focus on one or two people, so he became sloppy.
3. The Master of the Beast was in his head, he was not free. There was a voice talking to him and blackmailing him. He had to please Jasmine to stay unsoulled.
I prefer the calm Angelus as well, but for me the highpoint must be Angelus being locked up in a cage. That was brilliant, and I thin kthat they should've kept him there because he was more dangerous in the cage than outside the cage, and Angelus can't kill when he is locked up.
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Post by henzINNIT on Feb 13, 2009 18:03:45 GMT -5
It makes total sense to me that the Angelus we see in Angel 4 is different to the one in Buffy 2. It's a good few years of good deeds later.
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Post by Krescan on Mar 3, 2009 15:09:56 GMT -5
Don't forget it's a 100+ years as well. Hell dimensions will do that to a person.
With that in mind since 1880 Angel/us has aged over 200 years. Keeping with the fact that vampires get stronger over time his confidence about fighting a slayer could easily increase.
Also I think there's the factor of Drusilla and Spike to keep in mind as well. On ATS he's not trying to impress or demean his "friends" like he was on BTVS.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Mar 4, 2009 5:02:34 GMT -5
Also I think there's the factor of Drusilla and Spike to keep in mind as well. On ATS he's not trying to impress or demean his "friends" like he was on BTVS. How do you mean? The factor of Spike and Drusilla? Impress who? |
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Post by Lady Tragic on Mar 4, 2009 10:34:41 GMT -5
Meaning Angelus in S2 Buffy felt the need to prove his demonyness now that he was off-leash for the first time in a century, especially to his cronies.
*scratches head* Honestly, I may be confusing fanfiction with canon (I just woke up) but doesn't Spike say something about Angelus not having been so apocalypse-happy before the soul? So perhaps how he is in season 4 is, in fact, typical Angelus, and season 2 is more of a very bad day for him.
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Post by Krescan on Mar 4, 2009 11:40:12 GMT -5
Yep that pretty much sums what I was trying to say up, thanks.
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