Justine... a Slayer?

[BlueJay]

Y'all remember Justine from Angel's third season, yeah?

*Justine is strong and can hold her own in battle.
*She took down vamps.
*She was introduced a year before Buffy's potential-friendly seventh season.
*There was even a comment made about how she seemed to present herself like a Slayer.

So is it possible that she could have been a potential and was activated in the events after "Chosen"?

And let's say that she was. Would y'all like it if she were brought back into the comics?

[Hallow Thorn]

Was she to old ? or can 25-40+ year old woman still be called? I would like her back in the comics but only if they kill her or turn her into a vamp.

[Tyler Austin "tiewashere"]

Kennedy states she was almost too old to become a slayer. And she was around 18 or 19 so I seriously doubt Justine became a Slayer. It would be a cool idea, though.

[BlueJay]

Justine didn't look THAT old. It's possible she was in her early twenties or younger. I mean, come on, if they expect us to believe that Charisma could play a 21 year old, then I think we can manage to believe that Justine is young enough to be called (if the writers choose to use Justine in this way).

[Paul]

I always assumed Justine was a Slayer, but only because my friend had told me in advance that she was. I don't think she was meant to be, but the fact that we saw her hunting vamps in a graveyard certainly gave that impression. It is possible that Buffy's death in "The Gift" activated a second Slayer, even though Joss said the line runs through Faith.

I was never a fan of the character (humorless emo characters like Kate, Holtz, Connor etc generally do nothing for me), so I don't really care if she's a Slayer or not. I remember thinking it would have been cool if, after Wesley leaves her tied up in "Deep Down", we saw some cloaked Bringers emerge from nowhere and stab her to death. Timing-wise, it would have tied in perfectly with Buffy season seven.

[Hallow Thorn]

Feb 21, 2009 21:27:43 GMT -5 BlueJay said:

Justine didn't look THAT old. It's possible she was in her early twenties or younger. I mean, come on, if they expect us to believe that Charisma could play a 21 year old, then I think we can manage to believe that Justine is young enough to be called (if the writers choose to use Justine in this way).

I didn't mean that she was 25-40... I was just asking if slayers could still be call at that age... I could see Justine as 22-30 years old.

[Saturn 5]

Is she a Slayer? No, too old, the Slayers are all teenage girls

Would I like to see more of her? Yes, I would love to find out what happened to her. Read a very good fanfic once where she finds out she's pregnant with Wes' twins and goes out to start a new life with them. It's a nice ending for the character and nice to think a little bit of Wes goes on with them

[Mayor Of F♥ckville]

I thought that after that spell, Slayers WEREN'T called, they were activated, so even if you're too old you still get slayer powers?

[Greer]

Feb 22, 2009 5:19:07 GMT -5 Mayor Of F♥ckville said:

I thought that after that spell, Slayers WEREN'T called, they were activated, so even if you're too old you still get slayer powers?

That's what it was. I always assumed that there was some random list somewhere that was somehow like 1.Buffy 2. Kendra 3. Faith 4. random people and so forth. So Justine could've been on the list somewhere down the line. Buffy has lasted so long that she could've "passed" so many people on the list that were due to be called due to the usual short lifespan of the Slayer. Justine could've just been old. I think that she was in her mid-20s, maybe even early. She also could've just hardened up her look due to the lifestyle she was leading, which undoubtedly would be hard on a body.

Now we are saying that she would've been activated, correct? Ok, then she would've had some advantages going into it, like full knowledge and some knowledge of fighting.

Is there some age requirement or rule mentioned somewhere? If so, then maybe she'd be out, like she had a Slayer expiration date. If not, then I'd believe it's quite possible.

[Saturn 5]

We've never met a Slayer who was past her teens, I like the idea of Justine but no, keep her as just a Punisher style anti-vamp vigilante

[Greer]

Justine never died, correct? I've watched most of Angel but I have skipped around, so I never knew if she did or not.

[wenxina]

Feb 22, 2009 10:30:40 GMT -5 Saturn 5 said:

We've never met a Slayer who was past her teens, I like the idea of Justine but no, keep her as just a Punisher style anti-vamp vigilante

Yes, we have. Dana, the insane Slayer was in her 20s, if you do the math. Nearly her mid-20s, I'd say. But that's probably the only documented case so far, so it could be a rarity.

[Whedon Fan]

Nah Justine isn't a slayer or a potnetial. Good theory but near the end of season 3. The same episode when Angel takes Connor out as Cordellia gets a vision and he asks Connor if he wanted to help him...Anyway they are in a club and Lilah has set Justine up for a vampire attack. Wesley was called over too, so he could watch "the bitch that slit his throat get what's coming to her" as Lillah put it.

As Justine is getting ready to leave she gets grabbed off of the barman who happens to be a vmapire, she punches him and then is grabbed by another tow vampires one of them says

VAMPIRE: She thinks she's a slayer!

So the vampires are basically calling her out on the fact that she just likes to either pretend she is a slayer or they are just taunting her. Justine is just an ordinary woman but her twin sister Julia was murdered by vampires, she goes on a drinking binge for a while to drown her sorrows, that is when Holtz finds her and uses her pain and hatred for vampires and aims it towards Angel and anyone else that sood in his way.

Shame we never got to see her again after Wes makes her find Angel from the bottom of the ocean. In m version of a season 6 (links below) she came back and asked Angel for help. She had gotten herself in an even wrose mess than before and was on the run after accidently killing a man outside of a bar. He made a move on Justine when she was drunk and things got violent. Anyway Angel eventually decides to help her and she gets back on the right path. She even saves a young girl from a vampire, the girl strongly thanks her and this makes Justine think...Angel meanwhile has sent Spike out to try and find any info on the vampires that killed Justines sister. He thinks she won't be able to move on until she finds the vampires who killed Julia. They track down the vampires and kill them. Justine lets out all her anger on these vampires and breaks down. She keeps shouting out Holtz' name and Angel realises that a lot of her anger was towards him rather than the vampires. Mainly for what he did, he used her and twisted her feelings towards what happened to her sister against Angel. They walk back to the hotel when they walk inside the police are waiting for Justine and Angel. The lead detective turns around and it is revealed to be Kate Lockely....dun, dun, dun. So just as Justine is trying to move on she needs to decide whether ot not to go on the run or tunr herself in a pay for what she's did in the past. Angel says it's her chocie and that he'd help her either way.

[Saturn 5]

Feb 22, 2009 11:52:21 GMT -5 wenxina said:

Feb 22, 2009 10:30:40 GMT -5 Saturn 5 said:

We've never met a Slayer who was past her teens, I like the idea of Justine but no, keep her as just a Punisher style anti-vamp vigilante

Yes, we have. Dana, the insane Slayer was in her 20s, if you do the math. Nearly her mid-20s, I'd say. But that's probably the only documented case so far, so it could be a rarity.

Yes, you're right, Dana is 25. But I think Justine is more interesting as a non-Slayer

[El Diablo Robotico]

Feb 22, 2009 13:10:36 GMT -5 Saturn 5 said:

Feb 22, 2009 11:52:21 GMT -5 wenxina said:

Yes, we have. Dana, the insane Slayer was in her 20s, if you do the math. Nearly her mid-20s, I'd say. But that's probably the only documented case so far, so it could be a rarity.

Yes, you're right, Dana is 25. But I think Justine is more interesting as a non-Slayer

Actually, she's at least 25--she could be even older than that. The doctor says that she was abducted when she was 10, and then later Angel mentions that the abduction happened "over 15 years ago", so it's possible that he was just rounding the number off, and it was maybe even 16 or 17 years.

Slightly off-topic, but Dana is one of the things that make it very easy for me to accept that Satsu's squad could operate a submarine--not only could they probably hire civilians, former submariners, to help with the more complex systems if necessary, but Dana is proof that there's also a good chance that there are quite a few slayers among the 1800 who are in their 20s, some of whom may have served 4 years in their nation's military right out of high school, and have experience with that kind of equipment.

Hell, for all we know, there are 80-year-old grannies out there now with Slayer powers...

Feb 22, 2009 12:23:37 GMT -5 Whedon Fan said:

Nah Justine isn't a slayer or a potnetial. Good theory but near the end of season 3. The same episode when Angel takes Connor out as Cordellia gets a vision and he asks Connor if he wanted to help him...Anyway they are in a club and Lilah has set Justine up for a vampire attack. Wesley was called over too, so he could watch "the bitch that slit his throat get what's coming to her" as Lillah put it.

There's nothing in S3 to prove that Justine wasn't a potential. There's no proof that she is, but that's not the same thing...

[henzINNIT]

Could be true and fairly cool. I don't like her enough to want to see her again to ever find out though, either way lol

Has it ever been said that it's only teens that are called? I never thought about it, but I think it's kind of a waste of great material to restrict the possibilities like that. The empowerment to women in Chosen means less to me if it's only young (and attractive by the looks of it too) women who get that power. I honestly, truely, would love to see an old lady kicking ass.

[BlueJay]

Well I like the idea of Justine being one.

[Angelsgirl]

I think in the normal run of the slayer line, they tend to call the younger girls to be slayers, maybe because they are more agile etc. Which is why Kennedy considered herself to be too old.

However, I always thought that the spell cast would give ANY girl/woman who was a potential (or on Greer's list ) the powers of the slayer. The essence of the slayer is in each of those women so why wouldn't it be activated just cos they were over 25?!?!

Buffy: From now on, every girl in the world who might be a slayer, will be a slayer. Every girl who could have the power, will have the power...can stand up, will stand up. Slayers, everyone of us. Make your choice. Are you ready to be strong?

As for Justine though, I don't think she was a potential. I think she was just a very messed up woman who was seeking revenge. Its amazing what grief can do to a person. She didn't have anywhere near the same sort of strength and co-ordination that the potentials/slayers had. I also really hope that she isn't a potential. I didn't like the character and am not particularly interested in what happened to her.

[patxshand]

After they get to be a certain age, they lose the potential to become a slayer. They no longer "have it in them" after that age.

But nah, Justine wasn't a potential.

[Angelsgirl]

Feb 23, 2009 8:23:06 GMT -5 patxshand said:

After they get to be a certain age, they lose the potential to become a slayer. They no longer "have it in them" after that age.

When is that said and completely confirmed? It is implied that a potential can be too old to be "called" but its never confirmed that they lose the slayer/demon essence that they are essentially born with. Thats like saying that a part of them dies when they get to a certain age.