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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 26, 2008 2:20:59 GMT -5
When Wesley got his memory back in season 5, I was amazed thay he didn't run and tell Lorne about Angel's betrayl. Gunn I know he didn't care much about, but atleast Lorne should now.
Now I think that he did it because he was depressed, perhaps he thought that Angel was selfish not evil and that they didn't have time to deal with it. I mean they were working for the devil and needed to stay together.
Or perhaps Wesley understood Angel's motives (that's should have a thread of its own) and agreed to them.
Why do you guys think that he shut up about it? Why didn't he make noise?
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Post by Emmie on May 26, 2008 3:48:15 GMT -5
I remember his conversation with Illyria after finding out the truth where he told her to focus on the fake memories, they were made for a reason...to endure the truth. I think he didn't tell anyone else because of the whole "ignorance is bliss" mentality. That a part of him wished he'd never learned that he'd stolen Angel's son and the painful isolation that followed.
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Post by henzINNIT on May 26, 2008 5:20:12 GMT -5
Is it definitive that he never told the others?
Nothing much would be different for Lorne and Gunn anyway so I wouldn't see the need in telling them.
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Post by Rachster on May 26, 2008 11:20:56 GMT -5
Even if he had told them it only would have caused more pain so really whats the point.
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Post by Wyndam on May 26, 2008 11:31:47 GMT -5
Yeah I never saw much reason for Wesley to tell Lorne and Gunn either. That would involve talking about what he did (in quite a lot of detail, I'd imagine), and I'm sure at this point Wesley would want to just move on.
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Post by Jsebold87 on May 26, 2008 23:06:12 GMT -5
I always thought that when the spell was broken that everyone knew about it then. I never really thought twice about that. That's the way I see it. Because when Angel did that spell he made everyone forget about Connor, so why would only Wesley remember after it was broken? Everyone would know after that.
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Post by Rachster on May 26, 2008 23:10:11 GMT -5
I always thought that when the spell was broken that everyone knew about it then. I never really thought twice about that. That's the way I see it. Because when Angel did that spell he made everyone forget about Connor, so why would only Wesley remember after it was broken? Everyone would know after that. Because Wes was near the glass square thing when it smashed so was Connor and illyria thats why they know the others weren't there so they weren't exposed to it (the truth well thats how i saw it ... unless they did all find out and just never talked about it |
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Post by mattitudev2 on May 26, 2008 23:29:58 GMT -5
I always thought that when the spell was broken that everyone knew about it then. I never really thought twice about that. That's the way I see it. Because when Angel did that spell he made everyone forget about Connor, so why would only Wesley remember after it was broken? Everyone would know after that. I always thought that too; once the spell was broken, everything was out in the open again so I just always assumed everybody got all of their memories back. |
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Post by Emmie on May 27, 2008 0:33:11 GMT -5
The magical box that Wesley broke in 'Origin' only restored the altered memories of those that were in its immediate vicinity. So only Wesley, Connor and Frillyria's memories were brought back. Gunn and Lorne still don't know about Angel's mindwipe spell from 'Home'.
Though Connor's memory restoration in 'Origin' apparently wasn't total, as we've seen in 'First Night' where he gets back ALL his memories dating back to infancy.
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Post by Jsebold87 on May 27, 2008 1:52:18 GMT -5
Where does it say that? My thought still remains the same about it (unless I see a direct quote from the show that tells me different). Even if it only affected the people in the room at first, I would think over time it would affect the rest of them. But I still think that once the spell broke, everyone who knew Connor before, now had their memories restored.
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Post by Emmie on May 27, 2008 2:38:24 GMT -5
Where does it say that? My thought still remains the same about it (unless I see a direct quote from the show that tells me different). Even if it only affected the people in the room at first, I would think over time it would affect the rest of them. But I still think that once the spell broke, everyone who knew Connor before, now had their memories restored. Here's some quotage from Origin: Vail: "Do you know what an Orlon Window is, Angel? It's a fascinating little spell. It allows warlocks such as myself to see the past as it once was. You have to be careful with it, though. If it were to break around someone whose mind had been altered, then all his old memories would come rushing back." I took the "break around someone" to mean anyone who was in the same room as the Orlon Window (Wes, Illyria, Connor). If the effects of the Orlon Window could spread without limit, then even the altered memories of Dawn's existence would be affected for Buffy and the Scoobies. I see the Orlon breaking and having a limited effect on those present in the room. |
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Post by artiswar on May 27, 2008 7:38:01 GMT -5
Why would The Orlon Window have any effect on the Scoobies? I can't follow this train of thought. Veil was not the one who fabricated the Dawn memories, only memories dealing with Connor. Also, I'm pretty sure it only affected the people in the room, ala Leery, Conner and Wes. As for the original question, I really can't see why Wes would have any desire whatsoever to tell anyone else about his betrayal, and the vast unpleasantness that followed. How would he even bring that up? I can just imagine that awkward conversation... "Uhh guys... You may not remember this but this one time two years ago I did something bad..." It was more than evident that from the moment the Orlon Window was shattered, that Wes regretted deeply ever pursuing Angel for the death of Fred. If you watch that scene again, just watch his face and his reaction as the memories flood in, it's just jarring and I feel terrible for him, having the tables turned on him like that.
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Post by Emmie on May 27, 2008 18:24:47 GMT -5
Why would The Orlon Window have any effect on the Scoobies? I can't follow this train of thought. Veil was not the one who fabricated the Dawn memories, only memories dealing with Connor. Also, I'm pretty sure it only affected the people in the room, ala Leery, Conner and Wes. As for the original question, I really can't see why Wes would have any desire whatsoever to tell anyone else about his betrayal, and the vast unpleasantness that followed. How would he even bring that up? I can just imagine that awkward conversation... "Uhh guys... You may not remember this but this one time two years ago I did something bad..." It was more than evident that from the moment the Orlon Window was shattered, that Wes regretted deeply ever pursuing Angel for the death of Fred. If you watch that scene again, just watch his face and his reaction as the memories flood in, it's just jarring and I feel terrible for him, having the tables turned on him like that. The Orlon Window having an effect on the Scoobies was a hypothetical response to Jsebold saying the effects of the Orlon breaking spreading to Lorne and Gunn. I was saying that if the Orlon's effects could spread across the city to Lorne and Gunn, what's to stop it from also affecting the altered memories of the Scoobies in response to Dawn's creation. It was a hypothetical situation to demonstrate that I believe the Orlon's reach is limited to only to those in the room with it. |
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Post by Whedon Fan on May 27, 2008 18:35:50 GMT -5
I don't see why he would want to bring it all up again. His look of disgust and hurt when he gets his memories back sums alot of it up for me.  |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on May 27, 2008 19:28:41 GMT -5
I think he should have told. I think Lorne and Gunn(kinda, I mean he did sign that paper) deserves to know that Angel, their friend, betrayed them. Sure, Angel might have thought he did the right thing, but unless Wesley understood Angel's reasons and agreed with them, it would be wrong of him to keep the truth from Lorne and Gunn. I get that he was hurt and perhaps thought that the gang needed to keep together, but hey, Wesley should have told, since the memoryspells were a sign that Angel was going dark. He didn't know if Angel were good or not, so he should have told. I guess I'm mostly angry because I don't know if Connor's new family volontered or not. If I knew that they volontered, then I would feel better, then I could move on. Or not. God, I hate Angel for doing that. Grrr, I'm starting a new thread, right now. www.slayalive.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=shows&thread=2465 |
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Post by willowsummers on Dec 5, 2009 22:52:15 GMT -5
Except for taking Connor, which Wesley did as a misguided attempt to help Angel, I believe Wesley is the only person who is loyal to Angel. Everyone else is willing to kill him at the drop of a hat, to question everything he does, but Wesley even if he doesn't at first, will usually always come around to understanding or respecting what Angel does. I think he relates to Angel.
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Post by Randi Giles on Dec 6, 2009 16:58:14 GMT -5
Okay I thought everyone did have their memory back oo Connor also, but even if they didn't I don't really see the gain it would be for Wes to run and tell others. I think since he did get his memory of Connor back he would understand exactly why Angel did what he did.
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