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Post by vampiresaiyan on Apr 20, 2009 10:56:25 GMT -5
You know I am never one to really nit pick with the Buffy/Angel crossovers in the show, and it's nice to see Joss connecting the shows. Angelus calling Dawn. Angel coming to town in season 4 because of doyle's warning. Joss has always done a really good job at keeping the worlds crossed, but did anybody else find it weird that when Jasmine came in season 4 Sunnydale knew nothing of her? I mean she even makes mention after talking to the govener that the state is hers. Which means all of California would have been under her spell aka Sunnydale. Like I said I am not mad or nitpicking just curious. And if this has been brought up before sorry for the repeat topic. So what's your opinion on it?
Josh
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 20, 2009 11:05:11 GMT -5
Sunnydale became completely powerless at the beginning of Touched. I like to think because of that, Jasmine couldn't reach them.
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Post by dragonweaver on Apr 20, 2009 13:08:30 GMT -5
I don't really see it as a plothole but rather a sign of how disconnected Sunnydale had become at the end of season 7. Jasmine could only control people who saw her. If you look at how season 4 of Angel lines up with season 7 of Buffy you'll notice that Jasmine's control over LA didn't really start until the end of "Shiny Happy People". By the time that episode aired "Dirty Girls" was up for Buffy. In the episode there were several references to kids not showing up to school and residents leaving town in droves. By the following episode, "Empty Places", the streets were filled with cars heading out of town. You get the point.
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Post by MrKittyFantastico on Apr 20, 2009 13:36:56 GMT -5
I always chalked it up to two factors:
1. As mentioned above - Sunnydale is disconnected from the rest of the State/Country, therefore Jasmine's influence doesn't reach the residents.
2. It seems very likely that The First is going to be more powerful than Jasmine. Perhaps The First was, by having it's will done in Sunnydale, the force by which Sunnydale is out of Jasmine's influence. It seems likely the First would be able to do this.
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Post by seryna on Apr 21, 2009 1:41:31 GMT -5
Oh, 'people departing in droves' and Jasmine's existence on Angel - that's a good theory. Either they were driving to LA to bathe in her glory, escape the hellhole that was Sunnydale- or a little bit of A, a little bit of B.
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Post by The Night Lord on Apr 21, 2009 3:30:10 GMT -5
When Jasmine was up and about, her influence only spread throughout LA. She didn't get time to spread all over the world, simply due to Angel revealing her true name. Maybe that's why she didn't get all of California...unless I've missed something...
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Apr 21, 2009 6:33:10 GMT -5
Also, I doubt Buffy had time to watch TV. That's how people across the state got thralled, isn't it?
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Post by Marcos on Apr 21, 2009 10:02:25 GMT -5
Also, I doubt Buffy had time to watch TV. That's how people across the state got thralled, isn't it? Yes it is. Jasmine had more Nielsen points than Superbowl ;D |
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Post by ligeia on Apr 21, 2009 10:54:10 GMT -5
When Jasmine was up and about, her influence only spread throughout LA. She didn't get time to spread all over the world, simply due to Angel revealing her true name. Maybe that's why she didn't get all of California...unless I've missed something... Sorry, this is not true. We see in an episode that she's worshipped in Europe ! |
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Post by The Night Lord on Apr 21, 2009 14:56:52 GMT -5
When Jasmine was up and about, her influence only spread throughout LA. She didn't get time to spread all over the world, simply due to Angel revealing her true name. Maybe that's why she didn't get all of California...unless I've missed something... Sorry, this is not true. We see in an episode that she's worshipped in Europe ! Hmm, definitely missed that one... |
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Apr 21, 2009 16:04:47 GMT -5
1. As mentioned above - Sunnydale is disconnected from the rest of the State/Country, therefore Jasmine's influence doesn't reach the residents. That is how I always saw it. |
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Post by Malsad on Apr 21, 2009 17:01:56 GMT -5
same here
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Post by BlueJay on Apr 26, 2009 21:25:32 GMT -5
It would have been AWESOME if this conversation took place when Buffy found Clem driving out of Sunnydale.
CLEM: Yeah, I'm getting out of here. You should too! In fact, I hear a lot of folks are headed to LA!
BUFFY: What for?
CLEM: I dunno... something about a beautiful mocha late?
BUFFY: Must be a fad.
CLEM: Yeah... Well, see ya =)
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Post by Mathieu on Apr 26, 2009 21:30:10 GMT -5
Somebody said Jasmine was worshipped in Europe? Where was she worshipped exactly? It doesn't ring a bell.
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Post by NileQT87 on Apr 27, 2009 2:00:51 GMT -5
That wasn't Europe. That was Telemundo, which is an American Spanish-language channel.  It's the channel that plays non-stop telenovelas (Spanish-language soap operas) that English speakers make fun of for being really overly hyperdramatic. Remember that little place next to Southern California called Mexico? We do have a reason for Spanish-language T.V. channels here. And there is no doubt that Telemundo has reporters and probably a station in Los Angeles. Also, that was when Jasmine was about to be broadcast worldwide, which lasted just seconds or minutes before her influence crashed on air. The governor knowing about Jasmine (assumed to be up in Sacramento--though, he could have been in L.A.) is the farthest we saw Jasmine's influence reach. |
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