jellymoff
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Post by jellymoff on Aug 15, 2008 14:40:14 GMT -5
So it seems that Betta George knows who Spike is when he reads Angel's thoughts. If I recall correctly they have not met in ATF. Does that continue to support the notion that Asylum in canon, or has George just seen Spike in other people's thoughts?
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Post by fillyofbadhorse on Aug 15, 2008 16:50:01 GMT -5
Quote Trunkstheslayer:
"He isn't using a red lens folks. I just wanna kill this bug off and be done with it. It's the artifact that he took from that demon way back in the first issue. This isn't the same thing used on the slayers in even a tiny way. We're looking at a small lens versus what looks to be a gemstone of some kind. That whole "no planned crossovers at this point" line coming back to mind.
As for the timeslips: That's very obviously not what happened in Buffy. The Buffy time travel bit is all but exactly what we saw in Season Seven's "Get It Done"."
I'm not saying the time slips are the same as what is happening in Buffy, just that they could be related. Total speculation on my part.
The artefact from that first demon was larger and yellow, btw... so not the same. Have a good look at the first issue. This is something completely different.
Actually, based on other comments from Gunn, the red lens could have come from W&H.
As for the "no crossovers"- there are other statements contradicting that- in fact, there is a thread somewhere in here where (maybe Scott Allie, but honestly not sure) says the deal is that they can use characters from Angel as well.
Edited to try to make up for the fact that I didn't use the "quote" button in the first place! (gosh, where is the embarrassed emoticon...)
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Post by iloveromy on Aug 15, 2008 17:16:14 GMT -5
Allie also stated that characters that started on Buffy then crossed over are likely to return.
My theory is that what ever life shattering, world altering event that will happen at the end of this season or the next will likely involve all characters that have had a strong presence on BTVS. If events do happen globally and the scooby gang is split up, then it is likely that someone like Angel or Spike could lend a helping hand. That would really up the juice for a big finale.
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Post by Smashed on Aug 15, 2008 20:29:44 GMT -5
Allie also stated that characters that started on Buffy then crossed over are likely to return. My theory is that what ever life shattering, world altering event that will happen at the end of this season or the next will likely involve all characters that have had a strong presence on BTVS. If events do happen globally and the scooby gang is split up, then it is likely that someone like Angel or Spike could lend a helping hand. That would really up the juice for a big finale. I don't think Joss likes to use Buffy in Angel's finales or vice versa, I believe he's stated that a few times. Anything is possible though.
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Post by brandonr on Aug 15, 2008 21:08:28 GMT -5
Angel showed up in Buffy's finale, and the only reason Buffy didn't show up in the last few episodes of Angel was because Sarah wasn't available to do it. I mean, "The Girl in Question" was pretty much an episode about Buffy, but without Buffy in it. The original plan was to have her be in the episode.
Unless Joss has said otherwise since the end of both series, the previous fact seems to say that he doesn't mind using them in the finales. But of course, those were series finales, not season finales, and there's a huge difference.
Which, LIGHT BULB, I just realised that "Chosen" and "Not Fade Away" aren't series finales anymore.
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Post by Smashed on Aug 15, 2008 21:24:30 GMT -5
Angel showed up in Buffy's finale, and the only reason Buffy didn't show up in the last few episodes of Angel was because Sarah wasn't available to do it. I mean, "The Girl in Question" was pretty much an episode about Buffy, but without Buffy in it. The original plan was to have her be in the episode. Unless Joss has said otherwise since the end of both series, the previous fact seems to say that he doesn't mind using them in the finales. But of course, those were series finales, not season finales, and there's a huge difference. Which, LIGHT BULB, I just realised that "Chosen" and "Not Fade Away" aren't series finales anymore. I thought he said something about Buffy not helping Angel in the actual fight or vice versa. I may be wrong though.
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Post by trunkstheslayer on Aug 16, 2008 18:01:21 GMT -5
Quote Trunkstheslayer:
"He isn't using a red lens folks. I just wanna kill this bug off and be done with it. It's the artifact that he took from that demon way back in the first issue. This isn't the same thing used on the slayers in even a tiny way. We're looking at a small lens versus what looks to be a gemstone of some kind. That whole "no planned crossovers at this point" line coming back to mind.
As for the timeslips: That's very obviously not what happened in Buffy. The Buffy time travel bit is all but exactly what we saw in Season Seven's "Get It Done"."I'm not saying the time slips are the same as what is happening in Buffy, just that they could be related. Total speculation on my part. The artefact from that first demon was larger and yellow, btw... so not the same. Have a good look at the first issue. This is something completely different.
Actually, based on other comments from Gunn, the red lens could have come from W&H. As for the "no crossovers"- there are other statements contradicting that- in fact, there is a thread somewhere in here where (maybe Scott Allie, but honestly not sure) says the deal is that they can use characters from Angel as well. Edited to try to make up for the fact that I didn't use the "quote" button in the first place! (gosh, where is the embarrassed emoticon...) I didn't say crossovers couldn't happen. Merely that they aren't planned for any time soon. Joss is fully ABLE to use Angel and the rest on Season 8....that doesn't contradict him saying he doesn't plan to at this point.
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Post by Emmie on Aug 16, 2008 20:12:22 GMT -5
Angel showed up in Buffy's finale, and the only reason Buffy didn't show up in the last few episodes of Angel was because Sarah wasn't available to do it. I mean, "The Girl in Question" was pretty much an episode about Buffy, but without Buffy in it. The original plan was to have her be in the episode. Actually according to David Fury, Sarah was never meant to be in 'The Girl in Question'. It was always supposed to be a humorous episode about Angel and Spike searching for Buffy but never finding her. Now who they really wanted to star was Michelle Trachtenberg in the role filled by Andrew. Then they wanted Sarah to show up in LA during 'Power Play' to give her vampire exes hell for stalking her, but Sarah was sadly unavailable for episode 5.21 for personal reasons. She was available to guest star in 'Not Fade Away' but Joss didn't want to bring in Buffy and have her steal the limelight from the other actors on their final episode. As for no crossovers during Season 8 and the run of the AtF series, it would seem a bit surprising that they would have absolutely no crossover action. Every season of BtVS and AtS had some crossover action, as much as was allowed by the networks. Even Btvs 6/AtS 3 had the off-screen meeting between Buffy and Angel when the networks were very strict against having BtVS and AtS mingle. I'd find it odd if there weren't any crossovers from Angel's comic to Buffy season 8 considering these legal tangles no longer apply.
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Post by richie on Aug 16, 2008 23:13:17 GMT -5
OH-MY-GOD
the best issue ever...
i totally felt like i was watching the tv show...
the dialogues between angel and gunn totally rocked...
and angel will die??? and worse... GWEN IS BAD???
it totally worthed wait all this time...
this issue was the image of the tv show... more than all the buffy's issue so far...
the orb do more damage than i thought it would do... and i'm thinking that angel really will die... but something will happen and he will be back...(of course)...
the best part was wesley saying: the people doesnt come back right...
thats the truth about this universe...
after i stop my numbness i'll coment more...
this issue totally rockssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
10 10 10
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Post by buffyverseforever on Aug 17, 2008 0:02:59 GMT -5
Revisiting the possibility of re-vamping Angel, I wonder about the stab wound he took. I think deconstructing the way in which someone can be sired in the Buffyverse would be a bad idea -- it would take the mythic quality out of it, reduce vampirism to the sort of "infection" you see in (IMO lesser) mythologies like "Blade", "Twilight", etc. But, Angel's broadsword was coated in the blood of one of Gunn's henchvamps (or Gunn himself, still not clear on that). And then Gunn has all those wounds reopen, which ostensibly would drain Angel of his blood. So, it would have happened out of order, and without any biting involved, but I could see this being a narrative "in" to re-vamping him. One major issue that needs to be addressed in the whole re-vamping of ANgel is-can he retain his soul when he's revamped? Would the curse kick in again or would a revamped Angel be a fresh new vampire and not subject to any old curses? Best wishes, Scott
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Post by Whedon Fan on Aug 17, 2008 6:58:43 GMT -5
My weird things is that if Angel is dead and the front covers show Connor with Angel in the rain and Spike, Connor and Fred at Angel's grave then how come in the page preview we saw him walking up to somebody and he was smiling ??
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Post by faithswatcher on Aug 17, 2008 8:27:26 GMT -5
OMG. Id thought about this and laughed to myself but. What if Angel DOES die. Wesley died, and W+H "brought him back". Who is the link that W+H used before to talk to Angel and co? Lilah. I now more than ever believe that Angel DOES die. The seeing the woman scene will be Lilah speaking on behalf of W+H in some other worldly place, like the white room. And then W+H will bring Angel back to take down Gunn.
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Post by iloveromy on Aug 17, 2008 9:02:18 GMT -5
Yeah I'm pretty sure Angel dies but will be brought back because of his contract with Wolfram and Hart. I'm wondering if Angel or Wesley for that matter could ever truly be freed from their contracts? I hope it's not as simple as "You take down Gunn and we will free you from your contract, Angel". That would be pretty week. But I have no idea how it's going to play out. But we are in good hands... writing wise.
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Post by illyria on Aug 17, 2008 10:42:06 GMT -5
Fairly good issue, really dissapointed by the artwork some pages just looked lazy which is a shame as the story is amazing but the art is making me not care much about this project now. Hope it can pick up some time soon. Also Sad that Gwen has betrayed them i really liked the idea of her in the team, also since Fred showed up we hardly get illyria now she really is being played out i hope she dosnt fade away shes too loved by the fans i think. and Howcome Angel wasnt phased by the fact Gunn has SLAYERS he just seemed like it was excpected. Looking forward to seeing where this goes from here however
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Post by SlayerLV on Aug 18, 2008 0:57:07 GMT -5
I thought it was a great issue. The artwork could've been better, it really bugged me that Gwen's red and blonde streaks were gone from her hair half of the time. I also think it's pretty obvious on who the "old man" is when Gunn is talking at the end, it's obviously Angel since Gunn did the spell/reveal to have all of Angel's supernatural wounds un-heal which would mean his aging from when he was a vamp, plus the cover of one of the upcoming issues features a very aged Angel.
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Post by Smashed on Aug 18, 2008 2:27:33 GMT -5
I loved this issue! Great twist at the end, I didn't see it coming at all. I kind of wish Gwen was with the good-guys, but oh well.
I was glad to see Fred though!
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Post by thecheesewearsme on Aug 18, 2008 4:33:58 GMT -5
Ok..... the object Gunn used to remove Angel's magic. Looked an awful lot like an object in another comic book that was used to reverse or remove a spell. And I'm not sure if the "I found her first" refers to Gwen, because of this object. Boy am I fascinated to see what happens next! These worlds are gonna collide, that's for sure. The first thing I thought of when I saw the red lens was the little broken red orb that floats above Buffy in issue 10 when she sees the vision of the future (it seems kind of random but I always wondered about it). They really do look alike...and since Buffy is accredited with ending magic and this red orb thing Gunn uses has the power to take away magic...it's possible they could be linked. Just a thought.
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Post by artiswar on Aug 18, 2008 13:03:56 GMT -5
I gave some thought on the Gwen betrayal, and decided that Gunn is bribing her with LISA. Either that, or she believes Gunn is the right candidate for getting LA out of hell, and allowing Gwen to touch again without going electric. This would make sense since she's always had more faith in Gunn than in Angel (Players). Plus, all this is foreshadowed early in the issue in the Gwonner scene where Connor says she needs to find a way for them to touch, and also in the First Night Gwen story.
So in conclusion, being able to touch is Gwen's numero uno motivation for all her actions at this point, pretty much the way it's always been. It makes sense that being on Gunn's side is the better way for her to achieve this end.
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Post by Slayer489 on Aug 18, 2008 14:36:37 GMT -5
This issue was so good. Gunn and Angel together interacting again was great to see. And to see that Gunn has gone a bit mad and is seeing visions like Angel is passed on by that demon when it died. And the fact that Gunn was feeding on it was a nice touch. The fight between Angel, Gunn and the vampires was cool. The gang in the Hyperion together was nice to see too. I'm interested to find out who that mysterious person Gunn was with is and the "I found her first." line too was interesting. Angel's dead?! By the look of the next cover it looks as though he does. Looking forward to issue #12 after this brilliant one.
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Post by richie on Aug 18, 2008 19:54:24 GMT -5
i think the "i Found Her Frist" was something like... "Gwen's With ME" thing... i think angel will die, but W&H will bring him back... as vampire... its like we still need you bla bla bla hes gonna back and the shanshu still have effect cause the profecie says the vampire with a soul, ok could be spike... but no it couldn't be him... cause it always about angel.. the spike in shanshu thing, for me, was more like... "angel you'll need a motivation to go on so... the shanshu could be spike too"...
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