Name Your Poisoner

[ptnewell]

Some things in Angel are open to guess work. I have an opinion, which follows the question, but really these are anyone’s guess.

---Did Angel expect to lose his soul when he slept with Darla?
I’d say no. He did think there was a small risk, and was too depressed to care.


---Why did Fred choose Gunn over Wesley in “Waiting in the Wings”?
Because Gunn had been talking her up for weeks. He had secured the pole position long before Wesley lined up for the race.


---How much of what Jasmine takes credit for (manipulating events before her birth) did she actually do?
Practically nothing. Cordy’s ascension and return is about it. The rest was opportunistic, taking advantage of the situation. (I’m thinking the events that, say, led to Connor’s birth, date back to BtVS S1, and some of it involves free will choices.)


---Who gave the amulet to Angel (which Buffy later gave to Spike) and why?
Lindsey, probably acting through Eve, slipped it into the W&H envelope in the hopes of killing Angel -- or at least trapping him in the amulet. (We do know that it was Lindsey who recovered the amulet from the Hellmouth and mailed it to Angel).


---Did Angel really mean to kill Wesley in Forgiveness?
I may be too Pollyanna here, but Angel is pretty good at killing, and a pillow is a really lousy weapon. My guess is things played out about the way he wanted. (I know some of you think Angel would be justified in killing Wes. I suppose if you think that, you probably think he meant to do it.)

[Skytteflickan88]

---Did Angel expect to lose his soul when he slept with Darla?
I think so. Seems like he expected to lose his soul when he went out on the balcony, looking all soul-losing and in pain. But taht might just have been him having his ephipanhy.(can't spell it)


---Why did Fred choose Gunn over Wesley in “Waiting in the Wings”?
She liked him more. Maybe because of the person he was or becasue Gunn was better at flirting.


---How much of what Jasmine takes credit for (manipulating events before her birth) did she actually do?
Maybe everything. But then I wonder, how on earth could she not forsee that Connor would be willing to kill her? I guess it's possibly tough, that she or the people who worked for her only forsaw up till her arrival on erath and they decided to swing the rest. I mean she did seem pretty confident.


---Who gave the amulet to Angel (which Buffy later gave to Spike) and why?
The senior partners. I think thet expected Angel to use it, and they would have him trapped. When tehy found out he didn't use it, they didn't care enough to get it back. Enter Lindsey. Or, more likely, Lindsey got to the amulet first. It seems to valuable for the sernior partners to lose.


---Did Angel really mean to kill Wesley in Forgiveness?
No, it was a desperate act, meant to hurt, not kill. If he wanted Wes dead, Wes would have died. But I doubt he didn't understand that he might have killed Wes.

[Hellbound Hyperion]

---Did Angel expect to lose his soul when he slept with Darla?
I don't think he cared one way or another at that point.


---Why did Fred choose Gunn over Wesley in “Waiting in the Wings”?
Couldn't really say for sure. I always wanted Wesley to be with Fred, right from the start, but Gunn seems to have more of a sociable nature than Wes.


---How much of what Jasmine takes credit for (manipulating events before her birth) did she actually do?
I'd always thought everything, but now that you mention it, that would be silly. Opportunism makes more sense than anything else, so probably nothing more than her manipulating Connor and Cordy.


---Who gave the amulet to Angel (which Buffy later gave to Spike) and why?
...Lilah gave him the amulet, didn't she? It's been a while since I've seen Home, but I'm pretty sure Lilah and Angel had a conversation about Sunnydale and she handed him the envelope with the amulet along with the files on the Scythe and the First Evil/Seal of Damzalthar/whatever was in that file that Angel takes with him to Sunnydale in End of Days/Chosen. Was probably given to Angel by the Senior Partners, then, as an early attempt to make the new CEO ineffectual in the building itself. (I don't buy the whole "Spike was meant to have it" nonsense - he wasn't a Champion until he came over to AtS. Angel saying that a Champion was meant to wear it was probably his selfish way of saying "I'm staying for this fight Buffy" which of course backfired.)


---Did Angel really mean to kill Wesley in Forgiveness?
No, he just wanted to make a point. Angelus made his fame on torture and horror; Angel himself could be like that in his darkest moments, as we'd already seen in Season Two.

[N.D.U.O]

I'm only going to answer one question.

---Did Angel expect to lose his soul when he slept with Darla?

Yes. In fact, I think he slept with her for that reason. Angel may have looked really hard at that point but I think he was hurting more than ever. So he wanted the pain to stop, he wanted his soul to stop burning. And there was Darla with her legs open. Why not? It's not like he cared about anything.

Which is why he didn't lose his soul. He can only lose his sould when he is so happy he forgets it. But at that moments all he wanted was to get rid of it, so it wouldn't budge. It was probably mocking him.

That's how Angel suffers it's when he say "This soul ain't so bad" that it actually disappears.

Whew.