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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 15, 2009 17:37:03 GMT -5
I didn't really see a dire need, but the episode after her death is pretty unevental, so it could have opened with a funeral scene, with a Nick Brendon cameo.
Should they have given Cordy a proper send off?
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Post by Wyndam on Jun 15, 2009 18:11:58 GMT -5
I didn't really see a dire need, but the episode after her death is pretty unevental, so it could have opened with a funeral scene, with a Nick Brendon cameo. Should they have given Cordy a proper send off? Yeah, a funeral would have been pretty cool. They could have had a short scene of a night funeral, and could have even had more people from Buffy there (Buffy, Willow, Giles, Xander), and then had a voice over from Charisma. Compared to Fred's death (which had two entire episodes devoted to it), Cordelia really didn't get much mention post-You're Welcome.
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 15, 2009 18:14:53 GMT -5
that would have been interesting. I would have liked to see that, with the whole gang there and people form Buffy. I guess they just had so much going on in Season 5, plus the low budget thing.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jun 15, 2009 18:50:20 GMT -5
I'm... less favorable to the idea. The send-off in "You're Welcome" was very fitting, and after all the trouble to separate Angel from its originated show, why write another episode just for cameos?
Of course, most of the original group in Buffy don't even know Cordy's dead, not yet anyway. I do have a nagging feeling to find out how Xander would react. Given his state of mind about losing people he loves in Season Eight, I don't think he'll take it very well.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 16, 2009 0:47:56 GMT -5
Apparently, Buffy knows about Cordy's death. She mentions it in Issue #20. I would have liked seeing something Cordy's funeral. I didn't like how after You're Welcome, she was mentioned very briefly about three times and that's it. Like she barely existed... Well, I wrote my own version of Cordy's funeral. You guys can find it in the Fan-fiction section if any of you are interested
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jun 16, 2009 1:08:56 GMT -5
But Angel never forgot. That's why he was so adamant not to let Fred die. He refused to believe that another mystical happenstance was leading to another of his people being infected and dying by another force, something beyond his control. And then there's the whole dragon situation in After the Fall.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Jun 16, 2009 4:37:37 GMT -5
I think a funeral would have been nice to see. It would have given more closure to Cordy's ending. Her death came as such a shock to me when I first watched it. I really wasn't expecting it. At the end it was just like, "Bam, and all the sudden Cordy is gone."
I am also curious as to how Xander would have reacted to the news of Cordy's death. It would have been interesting if the two of them had met up at some point in a crossover ep. Like what if Xander had brought the gem of Imara to Angel instead of Oz? Not that it wasn't cool to see Oz, but it would have been interesting to see the dynamic between Cordy and Xander. I feel that they parted on good terms, so it would have been nice to have them interact with one another again.
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Post by SlayerLV on Jun 16, 2009 10:45:04 GMT -5
I think it would've been nice if Cordy got a funeral or even just a memorial.
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Post by dragonweaver on Jun 16, 2009 11:23:49 GMT -5
I don't know if we needed to see a funeral or even cameos from the Buffy cast, but it would have been nice to see more time dedicated to how Angel and the team were dealing with her death. I mean she was such a huge part of the Angel series and I can't imagine that her sudden reappearance and then death wouldn't have had a major impact on Angel, Wesley, Gunn, Fred & Lorne. Heck even Harmony should have said something. They loved her and it felt wrong that people barely even mentioned her after "You're Welcome".
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Post by Paul on Jun 16, 2009 11:55:33 GMT -5
Don't think a funeral was really necessary (although it would have been cool) but I would liked to have seen Angel visiting Cordelia's grave in "Not Fade Away". It could have been after he visited Connor, and would have been a lovely way to incorporate Cordy into the last episode of the show.
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Post by The Night Lord on Jun 16, 2009 14:51:27 GMT -5
Yeah, that would have been nice actually
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jun 16, 2009 14:57:35 GMT -5
I don't know if we needed to see a funeral or even cameos from the Buffy cast, but it would have been nice to see more time dedicated to how Angel and the team were dealing with her death. I mean she was such a huge part of the Angel series and I can't imagine that her sudden reappearance and then death wouldn't have had a major impact on Angel, Wesley, Gunn, Fred & Lorne. Heck even Harmony should have said something. They loved her and it felt wrong that people barely even mentioned her after "You're Welcome". That's a good point. And it happens only a few weeks before Fred's death - just a cascade of sadness, man. That would have been cool too.
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 16, 2009 15:16:36 GMT -5
You know what, the more I think about it, the more I feel like Cordelia's death was POORLY handled.
I mean not only they ruined her character during season 4 (but I will blame that on the actress's pregnancy) but they did not mourn her properly after they killed her off.
It would have been an amazing opportunity to call back a few actors from the Buffy cast to attend her funeral or something. They moved on way too fast after her death, and considering the damage they did to her character, they should have done something more to make up for it.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Jun 16, 2009 18:27:13 GMT -5
Don't think a funeral was really necessary (although it would have been cool) but I would liked to have seen Angel visiting Cordelia's grave in "Not Fade Away". It could have been after he visited Connor, and would have been a lovely way to incorporate Cordy into the last episode of the show. That would have been a nice idea. Kinda like how Willow went to Tara's grave in S7. It showed that she was not forgotten and that Willow still loved her very much. It would have been great to see this same kind of thing done with Cordelia as a way to honor her memory and give more closure to her death. I guess with all the stuff going on in S5, and with Fred's death soon to follow, the writers were just trying to get some things wrapped up and maybe they were rushing to do so. Chalk it up to being busy with the impending Fred storyline. Either way, it's sad that Cordy's death did not receive more attention. We know it made an impact for sure, but it would have been nice to see just a little more.
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Post by Paul on Jun 16, 2009 18:58:30 GMT -5
That would have been a nice idea. Kinda like how Willow went to Tara's grave in S7. It showed that she was not forgotten and that Willow still loved her very much. It would have been great to see this same kind of thing done with Cordelia as a way to honor her memory and give more closure to her death. It would have been very relevant to the final episode as well; revisiting Angel's oldest friend and arguably his greatest asset in his mission. I suppose "You're Welcome" achieved this just as well, but it would have been a nice bookend for the series finale as well. In fact, if you wanted to take it even further, they could have had Charisma Carpenter reappear as some kind of psychological ghost for Angel to voice his thoughts to (like Lilah and Wesley in S4). But maybe that would have been too indulgent and confusing. with a Nick Brendon cameo. Xander was far too busy being Dracula's manbitch at that point.
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Post by Emmie on Jun 16, 2009 19:48:54 GMT -5
A funeral is a nice idea to be sure, but I don't really see how it would fit in the story besides a shot snippet during NFA - but again that'd be taking time away from Angel's time with Connor and more importantly, his time spent with the living. Each character during NFA got to do 1 thing and the space in the episode was divvied up fairly - giving Angel time with Connor and a trip to a graveston would have cut into the other character moments. I rather think the fact that every action Angel did since Cordy died in You're Welcome as she wished when she gave him the vision speaks more to his appreciation of her. And really, Angel grieves in very private ways.
In many ways, Cordy's reappearance in You're Welcome was her visit to Angel at her grave - she was already dead at this point. Shouldn't that matter more than him going to talk to her headstone?
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Post by Reluctant Hero on Jun 16, 2009 20:13:18 GMT -5
Cordelia deserved a funeral. She grew up from this shallow useless girl into this powerful champion of a woman. She was a bitch but in a good way. She lived for Angel and saving people. If that doesn't earn you a funeral and special moment of silence I don't know what does.
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Post by Emmie on Jun 16, 2009 20:29:44 GMT -5
We've only had two funerals in the entire 'verse - Jenny Calendar and Joyce Summers. Even Buffy only got a shot of her gravestone for a few seconds. The funerals have always been used to highlight the important character development of the season. Joyce's death was inextricably linked with Buffy's characterization for Season 5. Joyce's funeral was used to show Buffy's guilt over letting Angelus live.
Cordy's death was secondary to the main story of AtS Season 5. In fact, Cordy barely came back at all. It was supposed to be Buffy/SMG in that episode, just to show how Cordy wasn't central to the Seasonal story and characterization of Angel. And the thing is that Cordy was already used to highlight Angel's character development in You're Welcome - a funeral wasn't needed to do this since it'd already been done.
I guess I draw a distinction between what serves the story and what serves the characters. If every character got what they deserved, then nothing bad would ever happen to them. I think the characters serve the story, and a good story works to serve the characters within the story but the story is paramount. Cordy got the best send off of any character in the 'verse imo in You're Welcome. That entire episode was an homage to her. That was her funeral, her swan song, she was already dead and she got to come back to help Angel back on the path. A shot of Angel at a headstone would feel like overkill to me when everything that needed to be said was said in You're Welcome.
Honestly, a funeral just doesn't fit in with Season 5 to me. Do you guys realize how the characters had no personal lives during this season? None. That was the point, that they'd been swallowed up by the beast that is W&H. A funeral would have been a divergence from this sweeping 'belly of the beast' story. It just doesn't fit. Does Cordy's character deserve to be honored? Yes. But I think she was honored by Angel continuing to fight the good fight. That's what she would have wanted. And she clearly wasn't forgotten as Angel mentions how losing her haunts him later on. I think the writers felt they'd given Cordy an entire episode to say goodbye and there was no topping that perfect sendoff.
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Post by Hellbound Hyperion on Jun 16, 2009 20:56:10 GMT -5
Aye, that's what I was saying about when Fred was dying. Angel refused to believe he was going to lose another of his friends to a thing that could just crawl inside her and make a nice home for itself. And that's what made Spike want to stay too. "What's happening here... it's important. Fred gave her life for it."
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Post by Paul on Jun 16, 2009 21:04:37 GMT -5
A funeral is a nice idea to be sure, but I don't really see how it would fit in the story besides a shot snippet during NFA - but again that'd be taking time away from Angel's time with Connor and more importantly, his time spent with the living. Each character during NFA got to do 1 thing and the space in the episode was divvied up fairly - giving Angel time with Connor and a trip to a graveston would have cut into the other character moments. I rather think the fact that every action Angel did since Cordy died in You're Welcome as she wished when she gave him the vision speaks more to his appreciation of her. And really, Angel grieves in very private ways. In many ways, Cordy's reappearance in You're Welcome was her visit to Angel at her grave - she was already dead at this point. Shouldn't that matter more than him going to talk to her headstone? I'm satisfied with Cordelia's send-off in "You're Welcome" and am not that bothered that we never saw her funeral. But I do kinda wish she'd been more strongly referenced in "NFA", just because she was an original character. Like that scene in "Chosen" where, despite everything that's going on, the core four find time to stand and bond for a few minutes. It'd just be a nice bookend.
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