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Post by Mathieu on Jun 17, 2009 13:47:00 GMT -5
Now that the stories of Season 8 are unfolding, I was thinking about Normal Again and it struck me that, if Buffy really is in a mental hospital, her case is getting more and more serious by the day!
First she decided to completely destroyed her hometown and she magically moved to a castle in Scotland.
She made herself the leader of a huge group of female soldiers.
She made up a girl, Satsu, who's in love with her but she doesn't love her back. So it's not really her fault if she slept with her, you know. How convenient.
She must hate her fake sister in her alternate reality because now she decides to make her change forms all the time.
She decided that her imaginary friend Willow can now fly, teleport and cast powerful spells, some very silly (invisible castle, invisible bird and fish thing, etc).
Just a bunch of silly ideas, but who cares, she gets to travel a lot. She's just back from Italy, how cool.
Sometimes I really think that her mind is trapped in this crazy imaginary world and Joyce is still alive, waiting for her to get better and come to her senses.
I mean, let's be honest, Buffy is a nutcase!!
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 17, 2009 14:50:33 GMT -5
lol. It would be true, if Hospital-Buffy hadn't died in Normal Again.
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Post by iamthewalrus on Jun 17, 2009 15:20:19 GMT -5
lol. It would be true, if Hospital-Buffy hadn't died in Normal Again. i never thought of that as her dying, but as her going back into her 'imaginary Sunnydale world'
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Post by faithswatcher on Jun 17, 2009 15:20:19 GMT -5
lol. It would be true, if Hospital-Buffy hadn't died in Normal Again. I didnt see it as a death at all, it was crazy Buffy accepting the alternate world and cutting herself from the world she was in to permanently live in 'our' Buffy world. E.g. Crazy Buffy is in some hospital, in a coma, still dreaming about her alternate world, such as S8.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 17, 2009 15:23:08 GMT -5
She made up a girl, Satsu, who's in love with her but she doesn't love her back. So it's not really her fault if she slept with her, you know. How convenient. If she's not in love with Satsu, I do indeed take that as positive proof that she is crazy.
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Post by Wyndam on Jun 17, 2009 15:30:03 GMT -5
Yeah mental institution Buffy never died in Normal Again she just went into a catatonic state at the end as Sunnydale Buffy accepted that life instead of the "normal" life.
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Post by Nicholas on Jun 17, 2009 15:42:18 GMT -5
Yeah, she never died in the mental hospital, she just went completely catatonic and became absolutely unreachable. That was a good episode, it touched home.
BUT, Buffy didnt magicly move herself to a castle in Scotland, she normal moved.
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 17, 2009 15:57:06 GMT -5
Yeah, she never died in the mental hospital, she just went completely catatonic and became absolutely unreachable. That was a good episode, it touched home. BUT, Buffy didnt magicly move herself to a castle in Scotland, she normal moved. I know that "technically" she moved... But, I mean, really?? All of a sudden she was like hey girls (hundreds of girls), let's hop on a plane to Scotland to see if the grass is greener there (it must be, right?) and then maybe if we're lucky we'll find a castle we can stay at and we will have lots of cool equipments to work with, it will be like the best HQ EVER! It's gonna rock guys, let's do it!!! You all have your passports renewed, ready to go??? Sounds farfetched to me. Hence the crazy person.
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Post by iamthewalrus on Jun 17, 2009 18:18:33 GMT -5
well, we don't really know the reason they set up base in Scotland yet we don't know how they found the castle, or why they were in Scotland in the first place i doubt they all suddenly decided to just move there
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 17, 2009 19:31:44 GMT -5
Three things I'd like to address:
1. I didn't know that some people thought Buffy had died at the end of Normal Again. This theory doesn't make sense to me, because that would mean the end of the show, period. Provided that her real life is in the hospital, not Sunnydale. If you believe that her normal life is with Willow and Xander in Sunnydale, then I guess it could make sense because it would symbolize her being back to normal. But the vision of her parents devastated that they lost her again at the end is... very disturbing.
2. I'm surprised, it actually sounds like many people here do take for granted the fact that Buffy is a crazy person indeed but they don't seem too bothered by the idea, as long as we still get to see what crazy stuff she thinks up next!
3. I don't think the whole moving to Scotland idea will ever be explained. I'm sure the writers came up with it pretty randomly, like "let's have them hang out in Scotland for a while, it could be awesome".
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 17, 2009 19:34:03 GMT -5
yeah, sorry. i didn't mean DIED died, i mean she went back into the Sunnydale place. I was in a rush when i wrote that, so i just put died, lol.
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 17, 2009 19:39:08 GMT -5
yeah, sorry. i didn't mean DIED died, i mean she went back into the Sunnydale place. I was in a rush when i wrote that, so i just put died, lol. Yes, but you still meant that she died in the mental hospital reality. Which is not exactly true, she's just back to her crazy cut-from-the-rest-of-the-world state.
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Post by Just Willow on Jun 17, 2009 19:43:27 GMT -5
yeah, i felt that the Buffy in teh institution as good as died, because like you guys said, she went back into her imaginary world for good and couldn't cme back out. it's as good as death.
anyways, the season 8 of Buffy is a little wacky...it could easily be in the mind of a crazy person.
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 17, 2009 19:50:14 GMT -5
yeah, i felt that the Buffy in teh institution as good as died, because like you guys said, she went back into her imaginary world for good and couldn't cme back out. it's as good as death. anyways, the season 8 of Buffy is a little wacky...it could easily be in the mind of a crazy person. Ahaha ok, I think we are on the same page. You know what? I'm going to make a poll out of this. That's what I'm good at. Making polls. All the time. I created the poll!! Please cast your vote! Can't wait to see what everybody thinks.
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Post by vampmogs on Jun 18, 2009 1:57:18 GMT -5
What's so crazy about "moving to Scotland" in comparison to a *gateway to hell* underneath your highschool? Or the town Mayor turning into a gigantic snake on Graduation Day? Or an army of Ubervamps that was most likely in the thousands? Remember that she'd also have to be creating Angel's story as well which means she's imagined Illyria's army and the army of demons that attacks Angel in Not Fade Away.
She decided that her imaginary friend Willow can now fly, teleport and cast powerful spells, some very silly (invisible castle, invisible bird and fish thing, etc).
If Buffy really was in an asylum and she really was dictating what her friends can/cannot do, she decided all of this long before season 8. Willow could cast powerful spells since... Becoming. We saw Willow first levitating in Family, again in Tough Love and then she actually *flew* in Two To Go. Not only did we see her fly up into Jonathon and Andrew’s prison cell, but Anya states she went “airborne” to get away from them. We also saw her teleport herself in Villains and she’s had the ability to teleport others since Blood Ties in season 5.
I still don't get why people persist all of these things are new for Willow when it's both textually proven and shown in previous seasons, that they're not.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jun 18, 2009 7:23:55 GMT -5
Yeah... this is all a lot more fun if you just say "hey, that's cool!" rather than "hey, that's impossible."
It's like having a character in Warcraft or D&D. When you start out you're weak and inexperienced and any monster that comes along might kick your ass. The fun comes from accomplishing goals and gaining experience and becoming more powerful. When you get up to high level, you get to finally enjoy doing really cool fantasy-epic stuff, and the challenge comes from more powerful enemies and bigger problems.
In WoW terms, Buffy and friends are now level 60 characters and they'll need all the power and experience they can muster to defeat this new Boss.
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 18, 2009 7:34:56 GMT -5
What's so crazy about "moving to Scotland" in comparison to a *gateway to hell* underneath your highschool? Or the town Mayor turning into a gigantic snake on Graduation Day? Or an army of Ubervamps that was most likely in the thousands? Remember that she'd also have to be creating Angel's story as well which means she's imagined Illyria's army and the army of demons that attacks Angel in Not Fade Away.She decided that her imaginary friend Willow can now fly, teleport and cast powerful spells, some very silly (invisible castle, invisible bird and fish thing, etc).If Buffy really was in an asylum and she really was dictating what her friends can/cannot do, she decided all of this long before season 8. Willow could cast powerful spells since... Becoming. We saw Willow first levitating in Family, again in Tough Love and then she actually *flew* in Two To Go. Not only did we see her fly up into Jonathon and Andrew’s prison cell, but Anya states she went “airborne” to get away from them. We also saw her teleport herself in Villains and she’s had the ability to teleport others since Blood Ties in season 5. I still don't get why people persist all of these things are new for Willow when it's both textually proven and shown in previous seasons, that they're not. Oh I'm not saying that she would have gotten in the hospital since season 8, I'm just saying that she must have been there since the very beginning of season 1 when she decided to move to this new imaginary world called Sunnydale. But since Normal Again, when they lost her again and for good this time, her craziness has been amplified as she now sees herself as the leader of a big army of girls and as she comes up with more and more farfetched ideas (insert here the list of all the wacky stuff we got in the comics). I'm just saying her case in not getting any better!! Her imagination even took her on a timetraveling trip, I mean Come On. Now as far as Angel's universe is concerned, it is supposed to be the same universe, right? The Buffyverse... so she decided that her super boyfriend the vampire moved to LA and is living his own adventures and one day they will be reunited. She could be thinking up his world too.
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Post by iamthewalrus on Jun 18, 2009 7:54:21 GMT -5
In WoW terms, Buffy and friends are now level 60 characters and they'll need all the power and experience they can muster to defeat this new Boss. it's a shame Dawn couldn't stay a centaur she would of been a righteous mount for them
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Post by Mathieu on Jun 18, 2009 12:28:24 GMT -5
The fact that Dawn really came out of nowhere in Season 5 has always been one of my main reasons for believing in the mental institute theory.
Only a crazy person would decide that all of a sudden they have a new little sister that never existed before. And the fact Dawn has been through so many different forms in Season 8 proves my point, Buffy really created a sister she can mess around with in her alternate reality. I guess she was bored as an only child.
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Post by iamthewalrus on Jun 19, 2009 6:24:08 GMT -5
The fact that Dawn really came out of nowhere in Season 5 has always been one of my main reasons for believing in the mental institute theory. Only a crazy person would decide that all of a sudden they have a new little sister that never existed before. And the fact Dawn has been through so many different forms in Season 8 proves my point, Buffy really created a sister she can mess around with in her alternate reality. I guess she was bored as an only child. or, you know, she really does live in this supernatural world where all of this stuff is totally possible
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