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Post by Rebecca on Jul 20, 2009 15:11:02 GMT -5
Remember, Mathieu, that they were recruiting girls, not drafting them. There is a serious choice factor going on.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Jul 20, 2009 15:11:36 GMT -5
Considering that Buffy's group needed to run TV commercials trying to get new Slayers to realize what they are, I'd guess that a solid majority of the 1,800+ don't even know they're Slayers... although with the recent publicity that number may be going down. A lot more are probably in denial about it, and many others are concealing their Slayerhood to avoid the current stigma.
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Post by Mathieu on Jul 20, 2009 15:12:12 GMT -5
Except that you can't be a deserter if you're not originally enlisted in the army. And as only ~25% of the girls are currently "enlisted", I'd say that the good majority of the girls are running about their lives with no negative stigma attached. Good point. You win. :-)
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Post by Paul on Jul 20, 2009 17:48:00 GMT -5
Wenxina, I don't really agree with the way you use the term "strong". You keep saying that the newly-turned slayers have had the choice to be "strong" or not, but put like this, you're not really giving them a choice, are you? I can't imagine anybody saying "I've made the choice to be weak". It sounds almost schoolyard-ish to me. Embrace your slayerness or else you're weak, you're a coward. I think all the girls have this magical strength within them, thanks to the spell they cast on them. Now whether they accept their mission is not a matter of being strong or not, it's a matter of being brave. You have to be pretty damn brave to put your life on the line every damn day, no matter how strong you are. Edit: Thinking about it, I guess by "strong" you mean "brave" too. But still, I feel like you're not giving them much choice. You don't have to join up with Buffy's army and kill things to be strong. What about the girl in "Chosen" who was being beaten up and victimised, then she becomes a Slayer, and she has the strength to fight back and protect herself. Or for a cheesier example, how about the baseball player who's afraid she's going to lose, and then being a Slayer grants her strength and connection, and she gets a surge of confidence. That's the gift that Buffy and Willow gave them, whether they choose to fight vampires or not.
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Post by balesthebloody on Jul 21, 2009 19:59:40 GMT -5
Sure the girls don't have to fight now, but how long until Twilight and the government find a way to find ALL Slayers, not just Buffy's, and start treating them as criminals? I really think that is coming folks. How is it right then? To be publicly humiliated or even worse, killed, over something you never did choose? I know the Scoobies never thought about this when they decided to cast the spell in "Chosen" but times have changed.
Or even this, what happens if Twilight's forces take down most of the Slayer army? Buffy will need new girls to keep fighting. Now since the government and the public's view of Slayers is not too high now, it will be hard to use a simple recruitment video to call girls to arms. This is when Buffy makes another "choice" and starts recruiting the girls in person and what she thinks is in "private", but would really just cause a big scene and make the Slayer's identities pubic. Causing even more trouble for the girls who don't want to have anything to do with Buffy and the other Slayers.
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Post by wenxina on Jul 21, 2009 22:02:28 GMT -5
Sure the girls don't have to fight now, but how long until Twilight and the government find a way to find ALL Slayers, not just Buffy's, and start treating them as criminals? I really think that is coming folks. How is it right then? To be publicly humiliated or even worse, killed, over something you never did choose? I know the Scoobies never thought about this when they decided to cast the spell in "Chosen" but times have changed. Or even this, what happens if Twilight's forces take down most of the Slayer army? Buffy will need new girls to keep fighting. Now since the government and the public's view of Slayers is not too high now, it will be hard to use a simple recruitment video to call girls to arms. This is when Buffy makes another "choice" and starts recruiting the girls in person and what she thinks is in "private", but would really just cause a big scene and make the Slayer's identities pubic. Causing even more trouble for the girls who don't want to have anything to do with Buffy and the other Slayers. Twilight can already trace those girls if he wanted to. By their very nature, Slayers are magickal enough to blip on the screen, as is established in #26. But the army or whatever pawns Twilight has doesn't necessarily know that there are girls outside the army. And I doubt Twilight cares about the approx. 1300 Slayers out there doing their own thing. He's made it very clear his agenda is at the source of the "problem"; i.e. Buffy. As for the second paragraph, the entire thing is conjecture, and only one possible avenue the story may take, though I doubt it.
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Post by balesthebloody on Jul 21, 2009 23:48:34 GMT -5
But the army or whatever pawns Twilight has doesn't necessarily know that there are girls outside the army. And I doubt Twilight cares about the approx. 1300 Slayers out there doing their own thing. He's made it very clear his agenda is at the source of the "problem"; i.e. Buffy. But how long until the government does find out about those other 1300 girls? They can't be naive enough to think that the only Slayers around are the ones fighting alongside Buffy. And I am sure if the government were to ask Twilight if there were other Slayers he would tell them yes, if only to lower the public's view of Slayers even more and start a massive world wide "witch hunt". This would also be a win for him as it would cause Buffy to rethink her choices and lower her defenses.
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Post by nickb123 on Jul 22, 2009 18:31:46 GMT -5
Id imagine Twilight can find the girls - the Watchers could, and could also find potential Slayers (though not all of them) like Kennedy, or Kendra for that matter who was trained from childhood. I remember the non-canon Tales of the Slayers novel had a kind of stone or something at the Watcher HQ that they could use to locate potentials / Slayers. Finally, the First also found itself a good helping of Slayers, though maybe only the ones affiliated with the council, cause it missed loads of randoms as we saw in "Chosen".
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