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Post by eco on Feb 17, 2009 15:55:15 GMT -5
Hmm. Wasn't there a possibility that Fray's universe has been moved from Buffy's timeline to an alternate universe? Sorry if it's been mentioned before but if what I think is true, means that because Buffy wasn't trapped in the future then the fate of the Slayers will now be different to what happened in Fray's world? Hmm. Talk about food for thought.
Anyway, I really hope Willow isn't evil again. I'd be really annoyed because I really love Willow and to see her go evil will destroy one of the fundimental reasons why I love Buffy; the scoobies.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 17, 2009 22:04:51 GMT -5
While there is a remote possibility of your theory, eco, this interview with assistant editor, Sierra Hahn suggests that S8 and specifically "ToYL" was meant to reconcile the current status quo with the future. Here's the quote: For the original article, click here. But, what this means is that S8 will tell us what happened in the past that brings about Fray's future. Or at least bring us closer to finding out. IMO, that's better than just shunting Fray into an alternate timeline. This way, Buffy's actions will have serious repercussions, that carry on to the future. Oh, and a thing to note is that according to Hahn, there were NO Slayers in the future, until Mel. So I guess that kinda settles the ongoing issue about "Potentials vs. Slayers".
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Post by Malsad on Feb 17, 2009 22:16:42 GMT -5
ha *sings we are the champions*
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 17, 2009 23:31:15 GMT -5
Joss himself also just said in a recent interview that a big goal of season 8 was to show how we got to the "Fray" situation.
Which seems to indicate he's not planning to retcon "Fray" -- Buffy's story *will* end with the death of magic and the banishing of the demons. And I'm 99% positive that happens at the end of season 8.
The big question is what happens to Buffy and her friends and the Slayers? And is Willow really condemned to the future we saw in ToYL?
Just adding fuel to my speculation that season 9 is not going to take place in this world.
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Post by Essentially Yours on Feb 18, 2009 12:23:37 GMT -5
Slowly bringing Buffy's present to meet up with Fray's seems like a whole lot of work on Joss's part. I just hope by the time that season nine begins, "Buffy" won't be entirely different. I understand the need for change and progression, but there are certain aspects of the show that I hope isn't lost by the lack of budget concept that Joss loves.
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Post by wenxina on Feb 18, 2009 12:38:52 GMT -5
Slowly bringing Buffy's present to meet up with Fray's seems like a whole lot of work on Joss's part. I just hope by the time that season nine begins, "Buffy" won't be entirely different. I understand the need for change and progression, but there are certain aspects of the show that I hope isn't lost by the lack of budget concept that Joss loves. The way I see it, better that he cares enough about BtVS that he's actually making a full-fledged attempt to reconcile the continuities. The lack of budget conceit is merely superficial IMO... the monsters look cooler and are no longer hidden by dodgy camera angles. Other than that, the wit of the series remains intact, and the series remains thematically sound.
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Post by Essentially Yours on Feb 18, 2009 12:55:28 GMT -5
Slowly bringing Buffy's present to meet up with Fray's seems like a whole lot of work on Joss's part. I just hope by the time that season nine begins, "Buffy" won't be entirely different. I understand the need for change and progression, but there are certain aspects of the show that I hope isn't lost by the lack of budget concept that Joss loves. The way I see it, better that he cares enough about BtVS that he's actually making a full-fledged attempt to reconcile the continuities. The lack of budget conceit is merely superficial IMO... the monsters look cooler and are no longer hidden by dodgy camera angles. Other than that, the wit of the series remains intact, and the series remains thematically sound. I find the wit and the series thematically sound in season eight. My curiousity lies within what will happen after the end of magic.
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Post by Nicholas on Feb 18, 2009 14:11:18 GMT -5
This is a very intresting thread now! My guess is that while there will still Potenials, because of the fact that all magic was banished from this dimension, the Power had no reason to call them. But this strikes up another argument on how exactly magic was banished from the dimension considering Willow would have clearly needed magic to become immortal and remain alive that long. Maybe the magic was banished WITHIN her. Idk, just a thought. Clearly, magic is what held the dimensional walls together so there clearly had to be SOME magic still there hence the Potentials. I think that the Slayers were still active after this big event but they just naturally died over time and none were called.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Feb 18, 2009 14:17:42 GMT -5
Yes, there's clearly still some magic in Fray's time, and obviously vampires, and demons who have been around long enough they're able to move about right out in the open as members of society.
So the question is... did all that stuff get banished and then let back in somehow after a while? If so, how did Willow survive without even ageing visibly?
I think season 8 will show us how we got from "Chosen" to the flashback Apocalypse scene that Urkonn tells Mel about. But how things got from that point to the way they are in Mel's time is a question for another time (Season 9?)
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Post by Malsad on Feb 18, 2009 14:37:24 GMT -5
I think willow did a spell, to live forever, just before magik ended, because she had a plan, therefor the spell had already taken effect
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Post by eco on Feb 18, 2009 18:27:30 GMT -5
Hm I think at the rate Willow's going, she's going to get a point where she's so powerful magic is a part of her as much as the colour of her hair or her personality. So when it's banished, she's so powerful she can still scrape the scraps of what's left together.
I'll be interested to see what marks the vampire's return, considering what started them in the first place is an Old One infecting a human before it was banished :vampirebite:
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Post by Nicholas on Feb 19, 2009 20:31:42 GMT -5
I think that if all magical beings were thrown outta this dimesnsion, that means they are all in another dimension. So maybe theres a big battle somewhere else and something eventually breaks down the barrier and lets itself back in.
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Post by Nicholas on Feb 19, 2009 20:50:46 GMT -5
See, Buffy and Xander have chemistry but I dont think that it would WORK for them to be together. I think it was made abundantly clear from Season 1 that it wouldnt happen.
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Post by sarahi on Feb 20, 2009 0:14:07 GMT -5
Hm I think at the rate Willow's going, she's going to get a point where she's so powerful magic is a part of her as much as the colour of her hair or her personality. Actually, as of the end of S6, Willow is already at that point. Giles told her so when she was in England with him. What can be debated now is whether or not Willow is still a magic junkie. If she's still addicted, which is possible considering her hidden relationship with Saga Vasuki, the question will be whether or not she'll do the right thing when she really starts to feel herself slipping, which is inevitable unless the Saga Vasuki problem is taken care of. This was addressed in the Fray series. For the advantage of anyone who hasn't read that series yet: Like Buffy's move to Sunnydale about a week or so before The Harvest, Fray was called just in time for the re-emergence of banished monsters. Vampires, or "lurks," were the only mystical creatures remaining after the battle was over (other than Willow, who could also have hitched a ride back with Harth's friends). This was also the case the last time there was an apocalyptic battle and the surviving Old Ones were driven out, ending with a pure-breed vampire mixing its blood with humans before its departure. I don't think this is something that will be detailed in the Oz arc though. There are two arcs left afterwards, meaning that more building up will probably be done before the major complication. Right now Jane Espenson is writing what will hopefully answer most of the questions Scott Allie has to avoid.
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Post by Joe on Mar 1, 2009 8:29:53 GMT -5
Not much we didn't already know but this was in the Dark Horse panel interview at the Wonder Con.
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Mar 1, 2009 9:19:57 GMT -5
Yeah. That's one hell of a reality show, to make 100% of humanity fall in love with a species that's killing and eating them on a nightly basis.
I really hope they're going to reveal more to make this plot point more (i.e., at all) plausible, because I'm just not buying it, and it's really bothering me.
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Post by Whedon Fan on Mar 1, 2009 9:27:35 GMT -5
When do you all think we will get the cover for this issue? Can't wait to see it!
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Post by wenxina on Mar 1, 2009 9:33:51 GMT -5
Hopefully soon, since #23 is about to be released in a few days. On the bright side, Jeanty mentioned in passing today (I was confirming another Q&A session with him) that he was in the thick of finishing up the work for #26. So the man's working over-time, since in our Q&A with him, he revealed he hadn't started on the Oz arc yet, and now he's almost done with it. In short, almost an entire issue in the span of... what, 2 weeks? Less? EDIT: I realized that when I said "now he's almost done with it", it was left ambiguous as to what 'it' referred to, so I thought I should clarify that I meant #26, and not the entire arc. That's just crazy talk!
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Mar 1, 2009 10:23:49 GMT -5
Hopefully soon, since #23 is about to be released in a few days. On the bright side, Jeanty mentioned in passing today (I was confirming another Q&A session with him) that he was in the thick of finishing up the work for #26. So the man's working over-time, since in our Q&A with him, he revealed he hadn't started on the Oz arc yet, and now he's almost done with it. In short, almost an entire issue in the span of... what, 2 weeks? Less? That is fast. One finished page per day is the usual rate for a comic artist on deadline. He's helped by the fact that he doesn't do his own inking or coloring but still... quick work.
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Post by quazar on Mar 9, 2009 2:48:07 GMT -5
If she didn't take back Oz then, why would she now? Tara. I'm not sure, but I don't get the "Tara" feel with Kennedy. But Willow loves hard. Who really knows?
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