Illyria and Jasmine

[exogenesis1203]

Actually I found the two of them made a excellent comparison, everything about them is almost the exact opposite

Illyria
Old Ones, one of the most powerful creature on the baddie side
Jasmine
The Power that Be (or Was..?) one of the most powerful creatue of the supposedly good side
Illyria
when she first arrived in this world she tried to wipe out the whole of humanity
Jasmine
she objective was to bring love and cookies peace to the world.
Illyria
End up an ally to our protagonist
Jasmine
End up as one of the most hated enemy of Team Angel


and actually how do you pronounce Illyria ?
Wesley says it like ill-lyria
Gunn says it like I-ll-ria

[Hallow Thorn]

The Old ones and Powers that be are one of the oldest enemies around.
TPTB are the first beings to exist in this dimension and who preceded the Old Ones.


"In the beginning, before the time of man, great beings walked the earth. Untold power emanated from all quarters — the seeds of what would come to be known as good and evil. But the shadows stretched and became darkness, and the malevolent among us grew stronger. The earth became a demon realm. Those of us who had the will to resist left this place, but we remained ever-watchful." ¯Jasmine



buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Powers_That_Be

[Tea - Total]

The first is older.
If I recall it stated on the show that the first evil is the source of an embodiment of all evil. Older than demons, even the Old Ones, it is older than the written word and transcends all realities and dimensions. The first evil is the first ever entity ever to have existed, its even lurked in the darkness long before the universe was even created and it shall never end even when the universe ends.

[Hellbound Hyperion]

Yeah, the First Evil is the oldest entity in the Buffyverse, followed by TPTB/The Old Ones. The timelines for pre-demon-exodus Earth is kind of shaky - Illyria once described herself as living in a world before time itself.

I'm also not convinced we can take Jasmine's word on history at face value.

[The Night Lord]

It's funny how these two can be compared. Jasmine was an all-mighty deity who lost her powers and prefered to destroy the world than join Angel's team. Illyria was an all-mighty Old One who lost her powers and joined Angel's team, then later attempted to destroy the world

[Hallow Thorn]

Nov 27, 2009 5:27:27 GMT -5 The Night Lord said:

It's funny how these two can be compared. Jasmine was an all-mighty deity who lost her powers and prefered to destroy the world than join Angel's team. Illyria was an all-mighty Old One who lost her powers and joined Angel's team, then later attempted to destroy the world

And they both possessed a member of team Angel, leading in thier death and to extent re-birth of both Fred and Cordelia into something new..

[The Night Lord]

Very true, can't forget that