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Post by Saturn 5 on Dec 9, 2009 5:27:49 GMT -5
Obviously he needed to pay. But he could easily have been convicted in court with Buffy and Xander testifying against him. Question is would any jail cell have been able to hold him given his abilities?
So DarkWillow killing Warren Punisher-style could be justified? Torturing and skinning him, not so much. Going after Andrew and Jonathon, maybe? Wraak a bad guy who 'likes little girls' as Clem tells Dawn (not that this stops Dawnie who's prepared to pay any price to help Will) It's when she starts mocking and threatening her beloved Dawn that you know the Willow we know and love is truly gone and has to be stopped, for her own sake if no one elses.
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Post by parttime on Dec 9, 2009 6:46:59 GMT -5
What abilities? Warren was a human being with no superpowers. I'm not familiar with prison regime, but I doubt he would have access to computer and/or high technology (his expertise domains).
Revenge is never justified.
Torturing and skinning: Willow goes Angelus style.
What about Rack? The warlock obviously was a bad person, but to be killed for power..wrong.
In the endl we excuse Willow because we love her.
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Post by gumgnome on Dec 9, 2009 9:34:14 GMT -5
Warren clearly could be handled by a regular prison, as long as they kept any robot-supplies away from him.
Rack is a tougher case. He falls pretty much in the same category as Catherine Madison in terms of being a human that the authorities couldn't handle. Perhaps the same military institute that Ethan Rayne was sent to would be useful in this case. If not, slay him, I guess.
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Post by willowsummers on Dec 9, 2009 16:09:08 GMT -5
In an objective point of view given from an all wise person, I guess they'd say that it wasn't right because of what it does to Willow and because we should all be given the right to fair trials and the chance to atone for our crimes, no matter what we've done.
I am unable to apply it to this case because I hate him so much. lol
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Post by henzINNIT on Dec 9, 2009 17:45:35 GMT -5
Absolutely not.
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Saturn 5
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Post by Saturn 5 on Dec 9, 2009 18:08:21 GMT -5
What abilities? Warren was a human being with no superpowers. I'm not familiar with prison regime, but I doubt he would have access to computer and/or high technology (his expertise domains). Revenge is never justified. Torturing and skinning: Willow goes Angelus style. What about Rack? The warlock obviously was a bad person, but to be killed for power..wrong. In the endl we excuse Willow because we love her. I know that's true but is it right? |
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Post by parttime on Dec 10, 2009 1:52:18 GMT -5
no, tons of no,
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Dec 10, 2009 2:49:09 GMT -5
He is kind of 'super-human'.... but I don't know.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Dec 10, 2009 17:46:55 GMT -5
While I would never wish to advocate the killing of another human being under ANY circumstances, Warren certainly did deserve to pay for his crimes, and I have to admit to deriving a certain sense of satisfaction when he finally got what was coming to him. That being said, do I think Willow should have killed him? A world of no. The killing of Warren came at great cost to Willow herself. I do agree that Warren certainly could have been dealt with in other ways. Killing him, in my opinion, was offering him an easy out. He should have been punished in a way that forced him to live, and reflect on all the wrong he had done and all the pain he had caused to so many.
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Post by Randi Giles on Dec 10, 2009 20:08:21 GMT -5
Umm no. People kose people all the time and they don't go and try to destroy the world. I'm not even going to lie I understand why she wanted to kill Warren. I think it's natural to want to hurt somebody as bad as they hurt you or someone you love. Of course though what Willow forgot that she has to go by the rules of the real world since Warren was human only. When she decided to go after the rest of the trio and then try to destroy the world it was a bit much. Okay not a bit, but you know what I'm saying right.
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Post by CourtneyDax on Dec 10, 2009 21:04:14 GMT -5
NOOOO! Willow was totally in the wrong there. You should never murder another human being. I think it would be better if he just stayed in prison till he died. Maybe he would've learned something and become a better person. If he escapes prison and gets himself in a situation where killing Warren is the only solution, then so be it. At least it was directly because of his own doing.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Dec 10, 2009 21:58:02 GMT -5
I think it would be better if he just stayed in prison till he died. Maybe he would've learned something and become a better person. If he escapes prison and gets himself in a situation where killing Warren is the only solution, then so be it. At least it was directly because of his own doing. Agreed. Even though I despise Warren, I don't think it was Willow's place to dull out the punishment. |
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Post by Darth Rosie on Dec 11, 2009 9:37:20 GMT -5
justification: no.
satisfaction: very much so.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Dec 11, 2009 9:50:55 GMT -5
justification: no. satisfaction: very much so. My feelings exactly.  |
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Post by Saturn 5 on Dec 11, 2009 17:09:03 GMT -5
Let me ask the harder question, would we rather have Willow not kill Warren even if it meant he got away with it?
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Post by hellmouth on Dec 11, 2009 20:33:15 GMT -5
Let me throw this into the conversation. Willow killed Warren because he killed Tara. What do you guys think Tara would have wanted Willow to do? Personally, I don't think that Tara would have wanted Willow to kill Warren, especially considering what it cost her.
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Post by Darth Rosie on Dec 12, 2009 7:54:27 GMT -5
No, Tara wouldn't have wanted Willow to kill Warren, of course not. My reaction of satisfaction is a very primitive feeling of righteous revenge, which is, of course, wrong. Guilty pleasures indeed.
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Post by buffyfan21 on Dec 12, 2009 12:14:22 GMT -5
My reaction of satisfaction is a very primitive feeling of righteous revenge, which is, of course, wrong. Guilty pleasures indeed. Same here. Let me ask the harder question, would we rather have Willow not kill Warren even if it meant he got away with it? Well, to answer your question, on the most basic level, yes, I would rather have Willow off Warren than to have him go around continuing to terrorize people. It's not like that did any good, though, because he is still doing exactly that . That being said, I still don't think it was Willow's right to take matters into her own hands, and certainly not something Tara would have wanted for her. |
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Post by hellmouth on Dec 14, 2009 21:16:42 GMT -5
Would Tara have done the same thing if the roles were reversed? Does Tara go uber-witch and kill Warren? I know that the show talks about how Tara was not on the same level as Willow in terms of skill but do you think that the murder of Willow would have put her over the edge enough to kill Warren?
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Post by buffyfan21 on Dec 14, 2009 21:31:24 GMT -5
^ I don't think so. I just don't believe Tara would have ever had in her to do what Willow did.
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