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Post by PJ on Dec 9, 2009 19:39:11 GMT -5
ok! we have seen this mysterious snake women thought season 8, always with willow. has anyone thought this could be Tara? thats who i thought it was when i first saw her!
So what do you guys think?
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Post by jellymoff on Dec 9, 2009 21:49:38 GMT -5
I don't think she's Tara-related in any way. I think there's something evil about this snake lady; something I think Tara would stay far away from.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 9, 2009 22:47:35 GMT -5
I think someone else could fill you in on the mythology bit, but assuming that Joss has read up on religion, that would be a very old Godess. I very much doubt Tara somehow transfered into that.
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Post by Jaz ♀♀ on Dec 9, 2009 23:15:13 GMT -5
i don't think it's Tara either but it does sound possible that's it's a goddess....if there was some Tara-relatedness then maybe whenever the Snake-lady and Willow are "with each other", the Snake-lady can bring forth Tara's soul or essence for awhile to be with Willow...but Willow would have to give her something in return...whether that something is good or bad, who knows...idk....i'm really grasping at hopeful ideas here.
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 10, 2009 12:31:09 GMT -5
At this point we haven't had any indication that Saga Vasuki is related to Tara. I think anything is possible, but we can't assume a connection until something is given contextually in the story.
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Post by stakey on Dec 10, 2009 15:04:07 GMT -5
i don't think it's Tara either but it does sound possible that's it's a goddess....if there was some Tara-relatedness then maybe whenever the Snake-lady and Willow are "with each other", the Snake-lady can bring forth Tara's soul or essence for awhile to be with Willow...but Willow would have to give her something in return...whether that something is good or bad, who knows...idk....i'm really grasping at hopeful ideas here. that would be quite interesting. Plot wise it would throw some stuff up...as you could say that Willow is cheating on Kennedy then by bringing 'the essence' of tara forth to do whatever with. but saying that Im really liking ken/willow relationship in season 8. |
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Post by buffyfan21 on Dec 11, 2009 13:41:07 GMT -5
i don't think it's Tara either but it does sound possible that's it's a goddess....if there was some Tara-relatedness then maybe whenever the Snake-lady and Willow are "with each other", the Snake-lady can bring forth Tara's soul or essence for awhile to be with Willow...but Willow would have to give her something in return...whether that something is good or bad, who knows...idk....i'm really grasping at hopeful ideas here. I don't know who Saga Vasuki is, but I'm dying to find out! The idea of her somehow being related to Tara is interesting. Talk about the ultimate tragedy, taking a person who was so good in life, and channeling her essence/soul into something so evil. Something Tara would never want any part of! If Willow is as far gone as we fear, I wouldn't put it past her to do something like this in order to connect to any remnants of her late lover, especially if she is really lonely and desperate. Granted, the idea seems unlikely and a bit far-fetched, but knowing Joss, anything is possible! |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 11, 2009 16:33:42 GMT -5
The idea of her somehow being related to Tara is interesting. Talk about the ultimate tragedy, taking a person who was so good in life, and channeling her essence/soul into something so evil. Apart from the fact that Kumiko, the female Japanese vampire from WatG, was also one of her "students", we don't really have any evidence yet that Saga Vasuki is evil. I don't think she has any connection to Tara. |
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 11, 2009 23:14:08 GMT -5
Apart from the fact that Kumiko, the female Japanese vampire from WatG, was also one of her "students", we don't really have any evidence yet that Saga Vasuki is evil. We also have the information that Saga requested Willow not to look through the portal in TOYL, suggesting that Saga is keeping information from Willow. I doubt that request was for Willow's best interest, but rather to safe-guard Willow ending up in that situation. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 12, 2009 0:03:29 GMT -5
Are we sure Kamiko was a vampire?
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Post by wenxina on Dec 12, 2009 0:21:09 GMT -5
Are we sure Kamiko was a vampire? Besides the fact that she's really pale, likes to kill things (referenced in #13), and hangs out with a bunch of vampires, yes, there is a reference to her being a vampire in #16. Xander says: "Do we really want to be abandoning the fort on the basis of some goth vamp speaking in tongues?", referring to Kumiko. |
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 12, 2009 0:56:58 GMT -5
That's pretty convincing evidence. Hope that means we'll see her again.
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Post by wenxina on Dec 12, 2009 1:05:48 GMT -5
That's pretty convincing evidence. Hope that means we'll see her again. I'm pretty sure that she was dusted in #15. It's an art problem. You have Buffy apparently stabbing her in the back with a knife, but Kumiko seems to be turning to dust in the next panel. Perhaps Buffy then decapitated her with the knife? Or the knife was really meant to be a stake? Or Buffy switched weapons in midair? |
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Post by Rebecca on Dec 12, 2009 1:20:16 GMT -5
That is quite an art problem. We should ask Allie next Q&A.
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Post by Skytteflickan88 on Dec 12, 2009 1:37:58 GMT -5
Maybe the knife-handle was made of wood? Even tough it didn't look all that wood-y.
Or Kumiko was a human witch, or monster witch, and the yellow stuff coming out of her back was her blood? Xander could be wrong (Willow could have been too tired to correct him) or it was a continuity error, Xander saying that in the next arc (after the Warren misstakes, I'm always aware that we can't be sure about anything).
So many possibilities.
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Post by wenxina on Dec 12, 2009 1:42:58 GMT -5
Well, blood is generally liquid-like. This stuff looked more like... well, dust.  It never really bothered me that much... always just took the dust to mean that she was dusted, but there are people out there who believe that Kumiko will rise again. I guess we'll see. |
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Post by AndrewCrossett on Dec 12, 2009 9:15:44 GMT -5
Kumiko still looked to be in one piece the last time we saw her... although in free-fall a couple hundred feet above the pavement, and without her special Dracula powers.
I seem to remember someone asking in a Q&A if Kumiko was dead or not, and him declining to answer, but I'm too lazy to look it up right now.
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Post by wenxina on Dec 12, 2009 10:07:46 GMT -5
Kumiko still looked to be in one piece the last time we saw her... although in free-fall a couple hundred feet above the pavement, and without her special Dracula powers. Well... Kumiko's power of flight had nothing to do with her Dracula powers. It's the same thing that Willow has. However, study the panel where she is in free-fall... there is a cloud of something coming from her. |
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Post by The Girl In Question on Dec 12, 2009 22:17:57 GMT -5
My theory on snake lady:
Willow is not cheating on Kennedy. Kennedy is very aware of the snake lady. In the time of your Life arc, Willow had to get an orgasm in order to reach snake lady's dimension or whatecer. When Willow came back from there, Kennedy looked pretty pleased with herself. I'm guessing Willow feels guilty because she doesn't like having sex with Kennedy just to get to snake lady.
Kumiko facts:
She was a witch that turned into a vampire, or vice versa. Either way, it's like Wenxina said, she was a witch and a vampire. She was dusted in issue 15. So.....girlfriend is dead. Unless she's brought back to life with some kind of powerful magic like Darla was, Kumiko will not be coming back.
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Post by wenxina on Dec 12, 2009 22:51:03 GMT -5
I will concede however, that Kumiko's staking/stabbing did happen BEFORE Dracula taught Willow how to do that reversal spell thingamabob. Meaning that Kumiko could very well have reformed afterwards, provided she possesses that same ability as Dracula. So if she does come back, it's not technically a continuity error. |
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