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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 23:57:56 GMT -5
A steaming hot poker you burn skin on cattle to "brand" their owner's name.
We could make one up that says traitor and make him wear the scar for the rest of his days.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 23:53:24 GMT -5
Again, betrayal can consist of breaking common-norms of a social group to the adverse affect of that group. There's no stipulation of when you promised not to betray us.
You are and will forever be branded a traitor.
*Hey everyone! Should we get out the cattle brand, or what?*
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 23:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 23:27:38 GMT -5
Of course I am not "actually" evil. I'm just trying to be. It's hard because I have no actual evil powers. Very frustrating. I think I kinda want you to vote me off. For two reasons. 1. To see if the other villagers will follow you on this. 2. To see an innocent villager die because of your choice. The fact that you are trying to be evil and will do so at any opportunity is the definition of self-sabotage. It is not in your interest to act evil as you like to put it. I don't think other villagers will follow me on this. I'm not their leader, in any respect. If they were to vote to kill you, my vote would not be the catalyst, but rather your repeated posts spouting treachery that would be an immediate death sentence in any civilized group. And the fact that you would relish in the killing of an innocent villager because of my choice is just sick and anti-social, and only lends to my assertion that you must be burned.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 23:15:34 GMT -5
A-hah!
So you're not actually evil, arguing for innocent villagers' lives. But you can break ties. You can act evil. You will do so at any opportunity, including those we cannot think of now. If I had the option, I would simply hog-tie you and stick you in the shed until this is all over, but I do not. All I can do is vote you to die. Only you can change your actions, and my actions accordingly.
You need to stop acting evil, and I will change my vote.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 22:56:05 GMT -5
Yes, I would be responsible, along with every other informed voter standing with me.
The question is how many innocent villagers will you kill by betraying us to the Coven's advantage. If even one, then the cost is the same, and we'll have the satisfaction of dulling out justice in these dark times.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 22:43:58 GMT -5
Now that the witches are out and coming back stronger than ever, I'd like to switch sides and be evil too!!! (this can't be considered betrayal, it's very official) Please, somebody, make me a warlock!!! I wanna help get some seers!!!! :-) Shivi and I are best buddies now. What if my last will is to have you killed *tonight*? You know what? I don't want that actually. The note thing was a joke. You and Evilwillowrocker are/were my best friends in the village. We lost EWR already, but I want you to stick around. You're the reason I keep posting in this thread so often. You're the reason why I turned evil again. I know that I can go nuts and there will be somebody to react to my stupid behaving. I'd rather die than be left without you in the village.... It would be too quiet. Plus Sagewoman shuns me now. You are my raison d'etre Rebecca!! The note may have been a joke, but the call to turn evil was not. You are traitorous, and will use whatever you can to backhand us. You're not even human. If I'm the reason you turned evil again, either you or I need to die. Personally I'd like to live, so that means you need to go.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 22:32:20 GMT -5
The identities of the witches are known. It is only a matter of time. However, you pose the greatest risk for mucking things up for us TRUE villagers, so yes, I whole-heartedly back the killing of you.
You're a vile, traitorous, cretin. I will have no more of you in this village.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 22:27:18 GMT -5
If Xander did betray Buffy, it truly would be the closest, the most unexpected.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 22:22:13 GMT -5
If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like woodstock. Yay! You're turn!
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 22:21:24 GMT -5
Official Vote: Mathieu
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 18:33:40 GMT -5
Andrew's loyalties were called into question in one way. Now they're being called into question in another way. That's more a consistent theme rather than a repetitive waste of story. And it significantly links Simone to Warren, more suggestions that Simone is perhaps working with Twilight... I don't think the scene was supposed to make us wonder if Andrew would switch sides. I think we all knew Andrew wouldn't. But what it did was show us that Andrew is apparently important to the Big Bad's side. He's a person of interest. Perhaps more than just someone Warren wants to play with. I take the bolded statement above to mean that his loyalties were not in fact called into question here. If Andrew's loyalties were never called into question here, how could they be called into question another way now? Please explain the connection between Simone and Warren/Twilight, I didn't catch that.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 18:25:37 GMT -5
Well, it moved Andrew's story along... and that may be important, since in retrospect, Andrew's loyalties have been called into question before, even in S8 itself. So it may be important along the way. I know it's layered, wenxina, of course--in this medium especially--little things can be more meaningful in retrospect. But with that in mind, I didn't find the scene itself to progress Andrew's story along at all. It was just a recap. His loyalties were called into question in #23, it's been done. That was the best singular case within itself to explore Andrew's loyalties to Buffy & Co., and it was done wanting nothing. When Warren showed up, I was more wondering if he was actually hurt/strayed from Twilight and Amy/etc more than questioning Andrew's loyalties. Andrew has historically looked back on his days with the Trio with disdain, I had zero inkling that he would join up with the baddies with an impetus like Warren hurt and bleeding. It would take a lot more than that, and I knew it prior to the scene. How can it be Season 7 all over again when that wasn't Warren in Season 7 but the First? It was S7 all over again with Andrew recanting his time with Warren, even using the exact scene from Storyteller. As for the three season thing, I meant S6, 7, and 8. That's three seasons, right? One thing I didn't think about was the inference that Twilight has an interest in Andrew. I'm not completely sure of that yet, it is apparent that Warren does, but what his or possibly Twilight's intentions with him are unclear. If it is simply to spread chaos and break Buffy's ranks, they could target anyone. There must be something Andrew can offer Warren's cause, if not for Twilight himself.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 18:16:45 GMT -5
:wink:
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 18:12:03 GMT -5
I just finished the books, absolutely LOVED them.... and then I tried to watch the show. Ugh, I couldn't get into it at all because it strayed so far from the story. I hate the way they depict Zedd, and the actor they picked to play Richard bugs me. I realize you would almost have to do that (stray from the story & change some things) with a t.v. show for it to make sense to people who haven't read the books, but I think they strayed too far off of the path. Plus I had heard Sam Raimi was doing it, then it somehow turned into a Disney production? That part still confuses the crap outta me. I think it would have been awesome if Raimi could have done it, but then I'm a fan of his anyway. To each their own I guess. Keep reading the books, they just get better and better. And if you want someone to discuss them with, lemme know. I think they should be required reading for everyone, lol. I feel the same way about Twilight books/movies... trying to put words on screen is a very difficult task. I believe Raimi was an Executive Producer for the show (imdb.com says for 16 episodes). The whole Disney production probably came about with ABC studios (they're embedded companies) which actually produced the first season. It's going to SciFi now me thinks. I may have to take you up on that offer to discuss the books with you :wink: I LOVE the show, and always try to read before watching anything based on a book or series... but I missed out on this one and feel fail worth for that... Regardless Im going to get my hands on all the books. But in the meantime I have an extreme enjoyment for this tv series going on. Richard and Kaylen are LOVE!! They are Love! The two actors do have good chemistry on screen (not amazing though), but better than what was depicted in the first half of the first book lol, that's all I've read so far! My boyfriend owns the books, and he tried getting me to read them, but I don't think I ever got much farther than the first mention of a Confessor, I think. And this was... hmm... must be about 3 years ago. Oh well... I knew about the show, but have yet to watch it. I did Wiki it a while back. They use the Confessor thing a little more offensively in the show than the books, Kahlen was very timid to use it in the books. But you should check out the show. It starts off a little slow (like Dollhouse) but picks up a stride toward the end. Maybe if you like it you will give the books another try.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 17:56:15 GMT -5
Things I didn’t care for- Not enough Satsu, or Xander
- Honestly—Warren and Amy. They’re overused at this point, bringing very little to the story. I had hoped there was more between Andrew and Warren, but it was mostly a recap, very little progression there.
Well, they had a lot going on and Satsu did get to express an important question. I definitely agree there wasn't enough Xander. But then again, Satsu got way more dialogue/face time then Kennedy did - at least, what she said was important versus Kennedy just being Willow's girlfriend and jealous, versus a Slayer in her own right. I honestly don't think Warren is overused at this point. I used to think so but I can now see why having Warren around will be important to bringing darkness and hard choices. But now that we have Willow going back down this path and Andrew being deliberately "tricked" by Warren and Amy, I'm getting the sense that some huge is going to happen and it'll come from them. I'm sensing some very real badness in the future for Andrew and Willow. Warren is the guilt/rage button for Willow, Warren is the guilt/ temptation button for Andrew. Amy's kinda like his wacky sidekick who gets really useful because she fits in seamlessly with the magic aspect of the season. It might be the plot hole talking through me, but he's been a baddie for the past three seasons. I'm tired of his face (or lack thereof). Amy's been around more or less since S1. They're old. While I completely agree that Warren has an implicit relationship with both Andrew and Willow, and I completely agree with your real badness haunch for both of them, I just wish that Amy/Warren could have been the baddies for the first arc making the way for the seasonal baddie (Twilight) instead of having a central role in the impetus behind that character development for Willow and Andrew. It's probably just a personal thing. But more to the point, what I was trying to say was that the way in which the Andrew/Warren scene was written didn't bring much to this particular issue. Looking across the panels with Warren and Andrew, it was S7 all over again, even using the the meadow scene with the Trio straight from Storyteller. It was more: "This is what happened, and here's Andrew rejecting it again" than some good development toward that badness. Warren didn't even try to trick him very well. While it may turn out to be a poor attempt before the big bang, I don't think it was very useful in moving the story forward that much. As for Kennedy vs. Satsu... I'll take more Satsu over Kennedy anyday.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 17:44:20 GMT -5
I F/ E _ E _ _/ _ A _ _ I R E/ _ H O/ _ A I _/ H E/ _ A _/ A T/ T H E/ _ R _ _ I F I _ I O N/ _ A _/ A _ T _ A _ _ _/ T H E R E,/ I T/ _ O _ _ _/ H A _ E/ _ E E N/ _ I _ E/ _ O O _ _ T O _ _. Guessed: I-O-E-T-A-N-R-F Wrong: n/a =0
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 13:45:32 GMT -5
*Plays Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol for Raz and Shivi.... two lovebirds * Oh and Mat, the definition of betrayal is: "the breaking or violation of a presumptive social contract, trust, or confidence that produces moral and psychological conflict within a relationship amongst individuals, between organizations or between individuals and organizations. Often betrayal is the act of supporting a rival group, or it is a complete break from previously decided upon or presumed norms by one party from the others. Someone who betrays others is commonly called a traitor or betrayer." Betrayal has nothing to do with covertness. Mathieu, you are a traitor.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 13:36:20 GMT -5
Wow, this really took me a long time to join in! Sorry for my lateness! Initial impressionsThe pacing was definitely great, this is probably my favorite issue since TLWH. The voices were immensely better than previous issues, thank Espenson for that. Wicca-Slayers? Why had that duality never occur to me before? I know they had wiccas in TLWH, but I didn’t remember them being Wicca-slash-slayers. Caught me off-guard, very interesting. Giles and Buffy moment!!! FINALLY! Only took a year and a half since I started reading. Way too short, even with the submarine scene, but I think we’ll see more soon. Things I liked- Use of “ridonkulous”
- Call to “real world” figure Keith Olbermann
- Bone anatomy humor
- Knock first… call back to WATG issue 1
- Continued focus on Willow misusing her power, gradual progression to dark, even Giles noticed.
- Giles: “I’d ask for an explanation and then express skepticism, demand to be convinced… but I don’t think we have the time.”
- Oz: “Huh.” Made my day, really
Things I didn’t care for- Not enough Satsu, or Xander
- Honestly—Warren and Amy. They’re overused at this point, bringing very little to the story. I had hoped there was more between Andrew and Warren, but it was mostly a recap, very little progression there.
Overall impressionWillow’s magic is not only posing a threat to the group in the long term by pushing her to the dark, but it was drawing Twilight in. The entirety of their defenses was her magic, and got lots of slayers killed. All Buffy could do was watch and wish she were fighting. I can definitely see her work toward recanting the scythe spell from Chosen, in the near future. Giles is no longer on my list for Twilight. He was just so in-character this issue, I can no longer attribute his change in character we’ve seen so far in S8 to his being Twilight. I also noticed that he’s seen as a moral authority, but when Buffy’s question if they are doing the right thing—if they are evil—went unanswered when interrupted by Faith. I hope to see this delved into this arc, most likely issue #28 where we see Giles overlooking meditating Buffy and Willow.
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Post by Rebecca on Jul 6, 2009 12:57:48 GMT -5
I _/ E _ E _ _/ _ A _ _ I _ E/ _ H O/ _ A I _/ H E/ _ A _/ A T/ T H E/ _ _ _ _ I _ I _ I O _/ _ A _/ A _ T _ A _ _ _/ T H E _ E,/ I T/ _ O _ _ _/ H A _ E/ _ E E _/ _ I _ E/ _ O O _ _ T O _ _. Guessed: I-O-E-T-A-H Wrong: n/a =0
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