Spikes real name/last name

[Faith5byFive]

So we all know Spike as Spike and sometimes he's refered to as William The Bloody. But does anybody actually know his last name?

It's Pratt

William Pratt was Spikes real name.

How do i know? i was reading my Spike comics yestoday and it went into a flashback and Halfreck called him William Pratt and Spike said William Pratt no longer exists or something along thoose lines.

Anyway just wanted to share it with you guys.
Now if only we knew Angels real name Liam......?
Im guessing Liam O'Connor

[Kratos]

Pratt isn't canon and hopefully it will never be.
Writer Peter David came up with this stupid derogatory name in the oneshot Spike:Old Times. And Brian just ran with it in Asylum.

[Skytteflickan88]

Hm, in case it was used in Asylum, it's canon-ish. I accept Asylum as canon, since characters in it were used in After the fall, which is 100% canon. So then I guess Pratt is Spike's name. Dammit. I din't know it was mentioned in Asylum.

I like to think Liam's name is O'Connor, since I thought it was for so long (I assumed Angel's father's name was Connor, and that Angel's last name was O'Connor, which means 'Son of Connor', but I've been told they didn't do that back in Liam's day).

[Billie Erin]

Lol Mr Pratt, I actually did come across this in a disclaimer at the beginning of a fanfic recently.

I like the idea of Liam O'Connor Natalie- it would explain Angel's immediate decision when asked Connor's name (I mean "Connor" is pretty random isn't it?)

[Kratos]

Feb 15, 2010 11:50:08 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

Hm, in case it was used in Asylum, it's canon-ish. I accept Asylum as canon, since characters in it were used in After the fall, which is 100% canon. So then I guess Pratt is Spike's name. Dammit. I din't know it was mentioned in Asylum.

It's very easy to refute it, no matter about the links between the Spike series. Asylum, even if characters of it are used in Atf doesn't make it canon.
And given the source from where the last name originated and by whom it was created(by Peter David), i don't think there is any doubt that it isn't canon. I think only Joss should give Spike his last name or like Angel and Darla it being so long ago the name can't be rememberd to save a little bit of the mystery surrounding the characters.
Either way i think everybody can decide for themselves on what is canon and what isn't. So for you it is, for me it isn't.

[Skytteflickan88]

At least it's just a name, so real or no, it's doesn't matter that much.

I hate not knowing if a certain event is canon or not. Some events in the comics are so important for the characters' developments, I want to know if they're real.

[Paul]

Feb 15, 2010 9:52:59 GMT -5 Kratos said:

Pratt isn't canon and hopefully it will never be.
Writer Peter David came up with this stupid derogatory name in the oneshot Spike:Old Times. And Brian just ran with it in Asylum.

How is it a "stupid derogatory name"? It's a reference to the horror movie actor Boris Karloff, whose real name was William Henry Pratt. Which is fitting, because Spike's a pop culture buff, and in David's stories had a special fondness for old Universal horror movies. I like the name.

Even if David had meant it in the "you're a prat" context, it's still apt because Spike was a prat during the William stage of his life.

[Kratos]

Feb 15, 2010 15:59:25 GMT -5 Paul said:

I like the name.

Good for you

Feb 15, 2010 15:59:25 GMT -5 Paul said:

Even if David had meant it in the "you're a prat" context, it's still apt because Spike was a prat during the William stage of his life.

Is the insult written prat or with double tt pratt? I found both definitions on the net, but both seem more slang.
If the insult is written with one t then i have no problem with pratt being his last name, still doesn't make it canon tough.

And William was many things like a momma's boy,shy,ect. But he was not a prat. He was a decent man with a good heart that had little to no social skills.
Your first explanation is probably the reason for the name.

[Paul]

Feb 15, 2010 16:43:45 GMT -5 Kratos said:

Feb 15, 2010 15:59:25 GMT -5 Paul said:

Even if David had meant it in the "you're a prat" context, it's still apt because Spike was a prat during the William stage of his life.

Is the insult written prat or with double tt pratt? I found both definitions on the net, but both seem more slang.
If the insult is written with one t then i have no problem with pratt being his last name, still doesn't make it canon tough.

And William was many things like a momma's boy,shy,ect. But he was not a prat. He was a decent man with a good heart that had little to no social skills.
Your first explanation is probably the reason for the name.

Prat is spelled with one "t". And being a decent man doesn't mean you're not a prat. Prat means idiot, and William was a bit of an idiot - socially if not intellectually - back in the day.

I don't mean that as a slur against your favourite character so chill out. You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder when it comes to Spike, always complaining about him being mistreated or misunderstood. Truth is, he probably enjoys the best treatment of any Buffyverse character, from both fans and writers.

[Beaumonde]

This made me think of Gail Platt. Coronation Street would be a lot more interesting if Spike turned up, that's for sure.

I really don't see the problem with the name Pratt though. I'm not gonna consider it canon, but I don't think it's bad at all.

[Kratos]

Feb 15, 2010 17:30:46 GMT -5 Paul said:

Prat is spelled with one "t". And being a decent man doesn't mean you're not a prat. Prat means idiot, and William was a bit of an idiot - socially if not intellectually - back in the day.

I don't mean that as a slur against your favourite character so chill out. You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder when it comes to Spike, always complaining about him being mistreated or misunderstood. Truth is, he probably enjoys the best treatment of any Buffyverse character, from both fans and writers.

Well i found a lot more insulting words then idiot that prat can stand for.

And you seem to hold a serious grudge against me for our past disagreement so why don't you take your own advice and chill out.

[Faith5byFive]

William Pratt is a nice name.
Prat is hardly even used as a offensive name.

Pratt is quite a English name too iv'e had quite a few teachers called mr.mrs Pratt
Anyway it's only a name i just thought it was a interesting fact hat Spike actually had a ast name unlike angel unless his real name as Liam O'Connor

[Kratos]

Feb 16, 2010 4:31:51 GMT -5 Faith5byFive said:

William Pratt is a nice name.
Prat is hardly even used as a offensive name.

Pratt is quite a English name too iv'e had quite a few teachers called mr.mrs Pratt
Anyway it's only a name i just thought it was a interesting fact hat Spike actually had a ast name unlike angel unless his real name as Liam O'Connor

Yeah, knowing it's not the same as the insult makes me think the name is fine too. If the name was used by Brian in Atf then it would have been canon or if Joss uses it on Buffy which i doubt since Spike's last name really doesn't seem to have any relevance to the story.

I heard the Liam O'Conner too but to my memory it was never used in canon. Would make sense ofcourse, naming his son partly after himself, viewing Connor as his second chance at living.

[Eric]

Feb 15, 2010 11:50:08 GMT -5 Skytteflickan88 said:

Hm, in case it was used in Asylum, it's canon-ish. I accept Asylum as canon, since characters in it were used in After the fall, which is 100% canon. So then I guess Pratt is Spike's name. Dammit. I din't know it was mentioned in Asylum.

I like to think Liam's name is O'Connor, since I thought it was for so long (I assumed Angel's father's name was Connor, and that Angel's last name was O'Connor, which means 'Son of Connor', but I've been told they didn't do that back in Liam's day).

Not to go too far off topic, but I've got to (respectfully as possible) call you out on calling Asylum "canon-ish". Buffy, first appeared in the 1992 film. She then appeared in the 1997 TV series, which we can all agree is canon. Does that make the film canon? No, not in anyway shape or form. I don't understand why Betta George appearing in something that was never considered canon then appearing in confirmed canon makes the first work canon.

On the subject of Spike's last name... Joss was never directly involved with a project that referred to Spike as William Pratt nor has he ever called one of the project that refer to him as William Pratt as canon, so as far as I'm concerned it's never been revealed. If other people like to think otherwise, I have absolutely no problem with it, but that's just not what I think.

If I came across as an ass, tell me, 'cause I'm kind of worried I did and I didn't mean to, but I still stand by my opinions.

[Inappropriate Starches]

Okay, I can't give a specific source, but I knew about the William Pratt thing and it wasn't from the comic it originated from as I have never read it (Sorry), it was actually I'm quite sure in an interview that I read with Joss Whedon. It was awhile back so I can't give a link to where I read it, but I'm pretty sure someone asked him the last name and he went with Pratt. Maybe he didn't come up with it but I was under the impression he didn't mind.

Now to be fair if I hallucinated reading this interview you can shun me but I did know about this long before this thread and I wouldn't read an interview of a guy when I didn't read his comic so I think it was Joss.