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Post by Faith5byFive on Mar 7, 2010 15:43:15 GMT -5
I wish season 4 cut out all that awful Jasmine stuff and the grossness of Cordy and Connor that burns my eyes and evil Cordy.
I think Angel still should of lost his soul but not via Evil Cordy
I also wish Faith still broke out to help him get his soul back , but then she stayed and was in season 4 and 5 and developed a releationship with Angel. And she is one of the survivors at the end of Not Fade Away.
I also wish we got to see more of Gwen Raiden because lets face it she was awsome with her electric superpower. And she was kinda like Faith with her attitude so there might of been a funny clash between them. Maybe she could of developed a releationship with Gunn/Connor maybe..... don't know or maybe she didn't need a releationship but i think she would of been a brilliant character.
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 8, 2010 13:16:42 GMT -5
Gwen has to be the worst character introduced on either show. Every appearance she made was progressively more pointless and annoying so more of her is not something I could support, lol.
I think Faith belongs to Buffy, even if I found her more interesting in Angel.
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Post by The Girl In Question on Mar 8, 2010 15:40:14 GMT -5
Did they ever say how Gwen got her powers? Was she part demon or was she just like an x-men or something? I wish Gwen came back for a couple of episodes in season 5 of angel but I suppose her being in the comics will suffice, but I think Faith belongs on Buffy and she has an interesting role in season 8.
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Post by Eric on Mar 8, 2010 15:59:04 GMT -5
Did they ever say how Gwen got her powers? Was she part demon or was she just like an x-men or something? I wish Gwen came back for a couple of episodes in season 5 of angel but I suppose her being in the comics will suffice, but I think Faith belongs on Buffy and she has an interesting role in season 8. They never did say how she got her powers and it's always bugged me. And I agree with Faith belonging on Buffy. Sorry, ANGEL-US, but I've never really cared for her and Angel together. |
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 8, 2010 17:07:50 GMT -5
Gwen was okay, but I think she was one of those characters who's best in small doses--3 eps in S4 was maybe 1 ep too many. I wouldn't have minded seeing her back once or twice in S5. She was pretty much pointless in AtF, but there were several characters who were pretty much pointless in AtF...  Faith was handled just perfectly, IMO. She should be more of a BtVS character than an AtS one, but she seems ideally suited to be able to bounce back and forth between one and the other (and whether it was the lighting or makeup or what, I don't know, but Eliza always seemed to look just a little bit hotter on AtS than BtVS  ). And a big "No!" from me on her and Angel gettin' all smoochy! She relates to nearly everyone around her in a sexual way to one degree or another, so I love that Angel is the one guy in her life where that's not the case--that he seems to be her one true friend and equal. I would have hated to see that unique friendship spoiled by him becoming just another guy that she's boned... |
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Post by TC on Mar 8, 2010 17:08:04 GMT -5
Faith is and will always be a Buffy character, which is kind of ironic considering she developed most on Angel.
I thought Gwen was kinda neat, though I have to say she was kind of boring. I haven't read much of AtF to know if she's gotten any not-boringer.
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Post by Faith5byFive on Mar 8, 2010 17:13:32 GMT -5
I don't think if Faith & Angel had a releationship it wouldn't be one of her "one night stands" as she has done with every other guy. I think Faith has alot of respect for Angel and i think maybe if she would of stayed in Angel she deffinatley might of had a thing with him. I think i prefered Faith on Angel. Can't believe people didn't like Gwen i loved her! , Thought she was really amazing and i like she was kinda like outta the X-Men maybe if she stayed on as a character then it would of gone into how she got her powers. And her episodes were exciting she was a quirky character. Even though she only had three episodes but you lot are saying she is in the comics?  which i haven't read yet. She deffinatley should of come back a couple of times in season 5 and should of been in the finale. |
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 8, 2010 17:33:12 GMT -5
I don't think if Faith & Angel had a releationship it wouldn't be one of her "one night stands" as she has done with every other guy. I think Faith has alot of respect for Angel and i think maybe if she would of stayed in Angel she deffinatley might of had a thing with him. Not saying that it necessarily would have been a one-night stand. But given Faith's problems with commitment (prime example: Robin Wood, S7 and S8), I think she's going to have a hard time staying in a relationship for very long with anyone in her life, even people she cares a lot about. And I do think she cares about Angel. He's her best friend. Probably her only friend. And that's what I'd hate to see ruined by a physical relationship. You need friends in your life, people who like you and understand you, and who will go out of their way to help you when you need it. Faith doesn't have anyone else like that, and I don't know if she ever will--making friends doesn't seem to be one of her best skills. On the other hand, she has no trouble finding lovers, and with the way she looks, that probably won't change anytime soon.  I think it'd be best for her to keep Angel as her one real friend, without the complication of sex. |
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 8, 2010 17:45:29 GMT -5
Can't believe people didn't like Gwen i loved her! , Thought she was really amazing and i like she was kinda like outta the X-Men maybe if she stayed on as a character then it would of gone into how she got her powers. And her episodes were exciting she was a quirky character. Even though she only had three episodes but you lot are saying she is in the comics? which i haven't read yet. She deffinatley should of come back a couple of times in season 5 and should of been in the finale. She's a fake Xmen/Faith hybrid who always betrays the group, and yet they keep allowing her to manipulate them again and again. Why should she have been in the finale, what would she have contributed? |
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Post by Faith5byFive on Mar 8, 2010 18:01:48 GMT -5
Haha maybe they wouldn't have to have sex. Since he could risk loosing his soul anyway thats another point i meant to bring up. If angel looses his soul if he sleeps with buffy why doesn't he just get some of that potion that cordy took when she wanted to sleep with groo?
Well she would of helped and it would of been nice seeing Gwen again. Team Angel needed all the help they could get i mean they got Lindsey involved. He's the most untrustworthy person ever and they still let him fight along with them. She's not a fake x-men hybrid. It's just something different i mean would you have had her being a vampire? no cause that would of been boring. She didn't manipulate the group , she found it hard to make a bond with them after she accidentley killed gunn sorta so they would dislike her. I think Gwen was outcasted and see's herself as a freak so she does find it hard to bond with people thats why she's a thief.
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Post by thevernacular on Mar 8, 2010 18:22:26 GMT -5
Did they ever say how Gwen got her powers? Was she part demon or was she just like an x-men or something? I wish Gwen came back for a couple of episodes in season 5 of angel but I suppose her being in the comics will suffice, but I think Faith belongs on Buffy and she has an interesting role in season 8. They never did say how she got her powers and it's always bugged me. And I agree with Faith belonging on Buffy. Sorry, ANGEL-US, but I've never really cared for her and Angel together.
I'm going to have to agree with ANGEL-US here, at least on the Gwen issue. I thought she was cool, and don't think she got enough screen time. Sure, she had kind of an X-Men feel to her, but I still thought she was interesting and underused. Maybe if she'd been featured in more episodes she wouldn't be considered "boring."
As for Faith, I agree on that as well, but probably mostly because she's my favorite character out of any show Joss has done. So any more screen time for her would have been great. XD I don't know about Fangel, but that's probably because I almost always just ship canon. I can see where everyone's coming from, though. Angel believed in her when everyone else gave up, and that obviously affected Faith a lot. I guess I just kind of see it as a really, really strong friendship than anything else.
...though I would prefer him more with her than with Cordy. XD |
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Post by Hallow Thorn on Mar 8, 2010 18:50:27 GMT -5
Even with the X-Men feel to her I didn't like Gwen at all.
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Post by wytchcroft on Mar 8, 2010 23:48:59 GMT -5
Faith was handled just perfectly, IMO. She should be more of a BtVS character than an AtS one, but she seems ideally suited to be able to bounce back and forth between one and the other . This. I always liked Faith for that reason and the writers seemed to as well, her episodes were intense and developed her character well, on BOTH shows. (And Eliza wipes DB in S4 acting wise) Gwen though is (IMO) the perfect example of a whedon-verse failed character, the pitch was surely better than the reality, despite the efforts of the actress there just wasn't much to work with but a costume and a lot of voltage. A lot of people feel the same way about Nina in S5, and Eve too - but i liked both of them. It's all subjective. |
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Post by jellymoff on Mar 9, 2010 10:30:03 GMT -5
Gwen was okay, but I think she was one of those characters who's best in small doses--3 eps in S4 was maybe 1 ep too many. I wouldn't have minded seeing her back once or twice in S5. She was pretty much pointless in AtF, but there were several characters who were pretty much pointless in AtF... Gotta disagree that Gwen's role was pointless in ATF. Since not everyone has read it, I will spolier tag: I thought her role had a somewhat signifigant impact on the story. She was key in executing Gunn's plan, and her betrayal really hurts Connor. |
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 9, 2010 11:57:07 GMT -5
Gwen was okay, but I think she was one of those characters who's best in small doses--3 eps in S4 was maybe 1 ep too many. I wouldn't have minded seeing her back once or twice in S5. She was pretty much pointless in AtF, but there were several characters who were pretty much pointless in AtF... Gotta disagree that Gwen's role was pointless in ATF. Since not everyone has read it, I will spolier tag: I thought her role had a somewhat signifigant impact on the story. She was key in executing Gunn's plan, and her betrayal really hurts Connor. I agree. I like that it proved once more that Gwen is a fundamentally untrustworthy person. I didn't really get anything out of her relationship with Connor, but it gave her millionth betrayal more weight. She wasn't happy with what she did, but yeah... thief... untrustworthy. |
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Post by jellymoff on Mar 9, 2010 12:00:43 GMT -5
Gotta disagree that Gwen's role was pointless in ATF. Since not everyone has read it, I will spolier tag: I thought her role had a somewhat signifigant impact on the story. She was key in executing Gunn's plan, and her betrayal really hurts Connor. I agree. I like that it proved once more that Gwen is a fundamentally untrustworthy person. I didn't really get anything out of her relationship with Connor, but it gave her millionth betrayal more weight. She wasn't happy with what she did, but yeah... thief... untrustworthy. You are so right. Her actions are almost always selfish. |
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Post by El Diablo Robotico on Mar 9, 2010 16:06:42 GMT -5
Gwen was okay, but I think she was one of those characters who's best in small doses--3 eps in S4 was maybe 1 ep too many. I wouldn't have minded seeing her back once or twice in S5. She was pretty much pointless in AtF, but there were several characters who were pretty much pointless in AtF... Gotta disagree that Gwen's role was pointless in ATF. Since not everyone has read it, I will spolier tag: I thought her role had a somewhat signifigant impact on the story. She was key in executing Gunn's plan, and her betrayal really hurts Connor. And I'll disagree with your disagreement. She wasn't so much "key in executing Gunn's plan" as much as she was just "already in the story anyway, and that just gave her something to do." Her task there, of briefly delaying the rest of the gang, could've been just as easily accomplished in any number of other ways that didn't involve Gwen at all. And yeah, it hurt Connor, but that really wasn't much of a payoff--it didn't seem to have a profound, lasting impact on him (from what I remember, anyway). One of AtF's biggest problems was that it had way too many characters who turned out to be pretty superfluous. Gwen, Nina, Groo, Betta George, Spider & the Spiderettes, and worst of all: Wes and Lorne. Yeah, they all had moments that you could point to and say, "Ah, but they were important to the story because they did ______" (except maybe Nina, who was completely pointless). But in just about every case, each of those characters' ______ moment was more of an excuse for including them in the story than a real solid character-based, or crucial plot-based reason for including them (the key word there being " crucial"). More than once I've considered starting a thread about what a bad decision I think bringing back Wes and Lorne was, but I just don't think that this is the right site for that. Someplace with a little less Lynch-love would probably get a more objective discussion on that subject. (*shudders, remembering Emmie's attempt a few months back to question Cordy's inclusion in AtF*  ) |
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Post by Faith5byFive on Mar 9, 2010 16:23:22 GMT -5
Damn i can't join in anymore cause i havent read the comics yet ¬_¬ lol
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Post by henzINNIT on Mar 9, 2010 16:39:39 GMT -5
Gotta disagree that Gwen's role was pointless in ATF. Since not everyone has read it, I will spolier tag: I thought her role had a somewhat signifigant impact on the story. She was key in executing Gunn's plan, and her betrayal really hurts Connor. And I'll disagree with your disagreement. She wasn't so much "key in executing Gunn's plan" as much as she was just "already in the story anyway, and that just gave her something to do." Her task there, of briefly delaying the rest of the gang, could've been just as easily accomplished in any number of other ways that didn't involve Gwen at all. And yeah, it hurt Connor, but that really wasn't much of a payoff--it didn't seem to have a profound, lasting impact on him (from what I remember, anyway). One of AtF's biggest problems was that it had way too many characters who turned out to be pretty superfluous. Gwen, Nina, Groo, Betta George, Spider & the Spiderettes, and worst of all: Wes and Lorne. Yeah, they all had moments that you could point to and say, "Ah, but they were important to the story because they did ______" (except maybe Nina, who was completely pointless). But in just about every case, each of those characters' ______ moment was more of an excuse for including them in the story than a real solid character-based, or crucial plot-based reason for including them (the key word there being " crucial"). More than once I've considered starting a thread about what a bad decision I think bringing back Wes and Lorne was, but I just don't think that this is the right site for that. Someplace with a little less Lynch-love would probably get a more objective discussion on that subject. (*shudders, remembering Emmie's attempt a few months back to question Cordy's inclusion in AtF* ) While I agree that there were many pretty fleeting appearances, I find it kind of works more than it should because the story comments on the effect Angel has on the world, and the people he has influenced is a big part of that. |
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Post by slayerthorn on Mar 17, 2010 14:59:04 GMT -5
I think Faith's part in Angel was exactly how it should have played out. As far as Gwen goes, I really loved her as a character because she is incredibly interesting. I wish she could have made more appearances in the show because I loved all the scenes she was in and I thought her electric power was cool.
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