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Post by VampSlayer on Apr 20, 2010 18:12:10 GMT -5
So, we all found out that Boyd was evil in S2, but knew he and Claire fell in love at some point. But then it turns out Claire(Whiskey) was working for Boyd. My question is:
Did Claire Saunders really love Boyd?
Was it programmed into her persona at one point, during her 'self seeking'?
Or did Claire actually develop these feelings herself?
My thought is: Claire may or may not have been programmed to love Boyd; Either way, she did end up falling in love with him. Her scene with him in Epitaph One/Getting Closer seems so heart broken, and pure. Plus, in Epitaph One, Whiskey seems to be waiting for Boyd to return for her; Which he never does. This could be implying that Claire was in love with Boyd, even after she found out that he was a fake.
Which leads to...
Did Boyd actually love Saunders? Was he just using her for his master plan?
Sorry, if this is confusing. xD Please, let me know your opinion!
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Post by PJ on Apr 20, 2010 18:36:56 GMT -5
hmm.
i think she did, but i don't think she knew that he was evil...
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Post by henzINNIT on Apr 20, 2010 18:48:19 GMT -5
I think the show was hoping things would go by fast enough that you wouldn't question it, lol. The twists later on make only a fragile slither of sense really, my take is:
Claire did love Boyd, wasn't a sleeper. He maintained a relationship with her without revealing his status within Rossum. When he is shot and pretends to leave, she thinks its real and -utterly broken- decides to take the ultimate revenge on Topher. Walking up to his office with a gun she finds Bennet and takes that opportunity to screw him over. I don't think she planned to kill Bennet specifically, and I don't think her actions had anything to do with a greater plan. If Topher was in his chair instead of Bennet, he would have gotten the bullet. Claire would have been captured by Rossum shortly after we last see her, probably trying to kill herself or having a break-down.
I just don't buy the sleeper story at all, never have.
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Post by hitnrun017 on Apr 20, 2010 19:55:29 GMT -5
I don't buy Claire shooting an innocent girl out of spite for Topher either.  Especially how it seemed like she got over everything in Vows, and she's back to normal in Epitaph One. The whole thing is just ridiculous and will never make sense. It was an amazing moment in Getting Closer that The Hollow Men made idiotic (along with Boyd). The writers should've just left Amy out of the those two episodes and brought her back for Epitaph Two. She deserved closure. I think she loved Boyd, and I'm just going with the idea that Boyd somehow triggered her after he left. It's the only theory that doesn't make me as mad, even if it doesn't really make sense considering what Claire said before shooting Bennett. But whatever. |
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Post by wenxina on Apr 20, 2010 20:28:06 GMT -5
Haven't given it that much thought, but to me, it's always struck me that the intentional repeated motif of Whiskey's statement that Boyd would come back to her was important. Just before he leaves, Boyd more or less says that, and to me, that struck me as her trigger. Where and when that trigger was programmed is debatable, and purely speculative.
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Post by snizapman6294 on Jun 10, 2010 2:16:15 GMT -5
this is the kind of thinking that makes me, a supporter of a Claire/Boyd relationship, sad... But now that I think about it, it's entirely possible that Whisky was imprinted to love Boyd because of his own personal, albeit selfish reasons. I just always found Claire so innocent and in-love... But also, she did wait for Boyd in the Dollhouse for, what, 19 years? Pre-Epitaph One. So I think it really could go either way.
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Post by VampSlayer on Jun 10, 2010 8:17:03 GMT -5
this is the kind of thinking that makes me, a supporter of a Claire/Boyd relationship, sad... But now that I think about it, it's entirely possible that Whisky was imprinted to love Boyd because of his own personal, albeit selfish reasons. I just always found Claire so innocent and in-love... But also, she did wait for Boyd in the Dollhouse for, what, 19 years? Pre-Epitaph One. So I think it really could go either way. Yeah, I've definitely think Claire was in love with him. But if that's a natural love, or imprinted is up in the air, in my mind. And I really don't think Boyd loved her back. He was using her to his own, personal plans. I find their situation so interesting, yet too bad we'll never get any solid answers.  |
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Post by henzINNIT on Jun 11, 2010 7:25:23 GMT -5
The Boyd twist was really crapped out. Imagine if he was the villain and genuinely all of the things we had seen previously. That would have been interesting.
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Post by Josh on Oct 8, 2010 11:18:27 GMT -5
It's hard to say and this is part of why I wish we had been given Joss' full vision. It was obvious for awhile that Boyd and Claire were essentially on the same page of things. However, it felt as though in Omega we were being set up for something more between Claire and Topher. Then season 2 comes in and we get the Boyd/Claire thing and Bennett shows up (which I love Bennett and Topher), but the Claire asking Topher in Omega of why it was so important that Claire be made to hate Topher still comes up with me. I feel like originally we were going to get more of a story between them.
I do feel though that since Claire wasn't really a "malfunctioning" doll, it's hard to say that her feelings for Boyd were actually real and not just another reprogramming that she got.
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Post by VampSlayer on Oct 10, 2010 16:48:02 GMT -5
It's hard to say and this is part of why I wish we had been given Joss' full vision. It was obvious for awhile that Boyd and Claire were essentially on the same page of things. However, it felt as though in Omega we were being set up for something more between Claire and Topher. Then season 2 comes in and we get the Boyd/Claire thing and Bennett shows up (which I love Bennett and Topher), but the Claire asking Topher in Omega of why it was so important that Claire be made to hate Topher still comes up with me. I feel like originally we were going to get more of a story between them. I do feel though that since Claire wasn't really a "malfunctioning" doll, it's hard to say that her feelings for Boyd were actually real and not just another reprogramming that she got. I agree about the Topher/Claire situation. In my opinion, I don't think they were supposed to get any more interaction after season one, as everyone expected it to get axed. However, they did set it up for them to have more story together, and I wanted to see it. If Amy Acker hadn't left most of season two for Happy Town, I think we would have seen a lot more between them, but the Claire/Boyd fling was inevitable as it was in Epitaph One. Although we got Bennett/Topher cuteness, Claire/Topher will always be more interesting. I'm very interested in their interaction after The Hollow Men, which we may get to see in the comics eventually! And I totally went off topic. xD |
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